To make money with porn

[DVTimes]

To make money with porn

Today porn is free. Tube sites now get the bulk of the hits providing pirated and non pirated porn. Its not clear what content is pirated or not. 99.99% do not care if its pirated.

Some webmasters still say you can make money by selling membership as people want quality. This is the desperate hope of some. Its a bit like people who say there is still money to be made selling VHS tapes in a DVD/Blue Ray world. And yes some (very few) people may still buy VHS. However its not going to make you rich if you do so.
The answer is surly to GIVE the content away for FREE.

Give the content away free and the net will flood with your content and with your domain name on the content.

The key thing is how to still make money by giving porn away free.
This is the big question.

One clear and simple method is to put adverts all over your site, and even on your content. Thus you could have an advert at the start, middle and end of your porn clip. Or a banner is placed onto your pics. Adverts all over your site to sell products. However what products would a porn site provide? One thought is dating sites. Or maybe you sacrifice one site to sell your other sites or affiliate porn sites.

The more advanced option would be probably involve some sort of sign up form. A customer may choose to pay to join or fill in a form with lots of details (data gathering). It may be that they have to go indirect to your content by first looking at another site. I.e., they go to a dating site, but have to click through a few pages before they can access your content.

One other though may be that you no longer provide any membership or content online. But rather sell the content on a DVD nor blue ray. Or even going back to print and rather than sell digital content, the content is pics in a subscribed magazine. Or indeed a subscribed DVD or blue ray, where people rather than download a low grade film from the net, get a high def quality film. Each month a new film would come out and people can back order old films. By giving a solid product a member may feel that they have a quality product.

These are just some thought. Feel free to say they suck. I have also spell checked this too. And no I did not copy and past this.

[OldJeff]

Good thoughts IMO - at the very least some outside of the box thinking.

[nakeddutch]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

To make money with porn

They say the currency of business is ideas.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Good thoughts IMO - at the very least some outside of the box thinking.

when you think about it, we are still set in 1998 zone. just pushing membersips.

but the world has moved on.

most people these days use a mobile phone (and one supects do not surfe but use phone apps).

also most see porn as free.

many sound now the same as magazine publishers did a few years ago who refused to move to the net.

soon a new generation will starte who sell porn in a different way and leave the bulk sat praying things will get better, and not understand that things have moved on.

[Barefootsies]

I guess Clips4sale and Brazzer's must be in a free fall (not likely).

Considering, according to people like you, porn is free and "nobody" is buying anything, anywhere.

/sarcasm

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Good thoughts IMO - at the very least some outside of the box thinking.

It sounds like more of gideongallery,... talking about ad supported porn with a Pepsi in the background.

I am not disputing the 2001 porn industry has changed. I am simply saying, people are still willing to pay for porn just fine. You simply have to provide them something they are willing to pay for, and have the traffic to reach them. The assembly line porn bullshit no longer works. Where you are just cranking out volumes of content with a new skeezer, being choked, gagged, spit on, whatever.

Society, & the world economy, on the whole has changed. It's no longer a 'push' business model. This is not rocket science.

[DVTimes]

this is interesting:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1075168

[sojproductions]

I have been brainstorming these ideas for a while now, in particular giving the content away free and monetizing it through ad space/data generation, it's hard to theorise a formula that will be profitable and won't go broke via bandwidth or theft, ultimately all my thoughts end up being a tube in a round about way just with my own material.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by sojproductions

I have been brainstorming these ideas for a while now, in particular giving the content away free and monetizing it through ad space/data generation

I believe xxxjay tried this concept a year or so back. There was a number of GFY threads about it.

Perhaps you should ask them how well that turned out after the big launch, and how profitable it was.

[alf6300]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It sounds like more of gideongallery,... talking about ad supported porn with a Pepsi in the background.

I am not disputing the 2001 porn industry has changed. I am simply saying, people are still willing to pay for porn just fine. You simply have to provide them something they are willing to pay for, and have the traffic to reach them. The assembly line porn bullshit no longer works. Where you are just cranking out volumes of content with a new skeezer, being choked, gagged, spit on, whatever.

Society, & the world economy, on the whole has changed. It's no longer a 'push' business model. This is not rocket science.

Listen to this guy. He tends to get it right.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I guess Clips4sale and Brazzer's must be in a free fall (not likely).

Considering, according to people like you, porn is free and "nobody" is buying anything, anywhere.

/sarcasm

Are they selling as well as they did?

[escorpio]

Porn is free. Only a fucking moron would pay for it.

[VforVendetta]

Porn is free, but there a lot of interesting quality network where people should signup and spend their money, royal-cash, nastydollars, naughtyamerica, dogfart...then yes, you could find a lot of these content for free, but why if i have the money i must spending time to search around the net to save some $ when i can i've it at the best quality and always fresh HD content ?

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by VforVendetta

Porn is free, but there a lot of interesting quality network where people should signup and spend their money, royal-cash, nastydollars, naughtyamerica, dogfart...then yes, you could find a lot of these content for free, but why if i have the money i must spending time to search around the net to save some $ when i can i've it at the best quality and always fresh HD content ?

Most people don't take masturbation seriously eneough to want to pay for quality or freshness. They just want some images they can jerk off to and get on with their day. There is more than enough free porn to satisfy your average wanker.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It sounds like more of gideongallery,... talking about ad supported porn with a Pepsi in the background.

.

i said you could use product placement in porn

It idiots like you and robbie that keep misrepresenting that to mean i am talking about mainstream companies.

All that proves is you guys are so clueless about product placement that you don't even know the metrics of the model.

[NETSEX]

nice informations dude

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

many sound now the same as magazine publishers did a few years ago who refused to move to the net.

This made me chuckle.

The problem is for most, the solution is way beyond their budget. Quality needs more than just money also. Many here think quality is about pixels.

You simply have to provide them something they are willing to pay for. The assembly line porn bullshit no longer works.

It never did work as well as the better porn. Everyone knows some sites had a habit of converting better than others.

[VenusBlogger]

You are right good sire.

Also, HALF of this forum talks about CAMS CAMS CAM + DATING DATING DATING.

What do you have to say about it?

never ever did a single sale with that shit, because u need to do e-whoring, like some nicks here suggested, you need to create FALSE INTERACTION to sell cams, pretending to be a girl and tricking suckers to buy that shit.

A LOT OF PEOPLE in this forum, talk abotu cams only, like its the only thing that makes money for them. They also talk all the time about API's and WHITE LABELS, what the fuck is that?.. Sometimes I feel like they talk in chinese, i have never ever used an api or a white label...

HONEST TRAFFIC converts with fetish paysites, not with cams.

Do you want to be an illegal SCAMMER AFFILIATE? Then sell cams... Unless you are the owner of one of the biggest 1000 adult sites and you can easily sell anything with that huge traffic.

PIRIOD.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

To make money with porn

Today porn is free. Tube sites now get the bulk of the hits providing pirated and non pirated porn. Its not clear what content is pirated or not. 99.99% do not care if its pirated.

Some webmasters still say you can make money by selling membership as people want quality. This is the desperate hope of some. Its a bit like people who say there is still money to be made selling VHS tapes in a DVD/Blue Ray world. .

It is the other way round, a paysite is DVD / Blu-Ray in a VHS world....

A paysite (like ours) is where the client can down load very high quality professionally shot, with good stereo sound, WS HD exclusive and unique story erotic films. (=Blu Ray )

Free porn is plentiful but crap, poorly shot, low quality, boring and repetitive. ( =VHS )

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Porn is free. Only a fucking moron would pay for it.

Oh look Captain Bringdown is back.

Why don't you and Gideon go get a room?

Better yet, take Far-L with you and make it a threesome.
.

[B2BwithJoeD]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

To make money with porn

Today porn is free. Tube sites now get the bulk of the hits providing pirated and non pirated porn. Its not clear what content is pirated or not. 99.99% do not care if its pirated.

Some webmasters still say you can make money by selling membership as people want quality. This is the desperate hope of some. Its a bit like people who say there is still money to be made selling VHS tapes in a DVD/Blue Ray world. And yes some (very few) people may still buy VHS. However its not going to make you rich if you do so.
The answer is surly to GIVE the content away for FREE.

Give the content away free and the net will flood with your content and with your domain name on the content.

The key thing is how to still make money by giving porn away free.
This is the big question.

One clear and simple method is to put adverts all over your site, and even on your content. Thus you could have an advert at the start, middle and end of your porn clip. Or a banner is placed onto your pics. Adverts all over your site to sell products. However what products would a porn site provide? One thought is dating sites. Or maybe you sacrifice one site to sell your other sites or affiliate porn sites.

The more advanced option would be probably involve some sort of sign up form. A customer may choose to pay to join or fill in a form with lots of details (data gathering). It may be that they have to go indirect to your content by first looking at another site. I.e., they go to a dating site, but have to click through a few pages before they can access your content.

One other though may be that you no longer provide any membership or content online. But rather sell the content on a DVD nor blue ray. Or even going back to print and rather than sell digital content, the content is pics in a subscribed magazine. Or indeed a subscribed DVD or blue ray, where people rather than download a low grade film from the net, get a high def quality film. Each month a new film would come out and people can back order old films. By giving a solid product a member may feel that they have a quality product.

These are just some thought. Feel free to say they suck. I have also spell checked this too. And no I did not copy and past this.

This is a pretty accurate assessment, but the reality is there are very successful companies currently providing variations of all the propositions you suggest.

I've been doing some research lately, and the industry is focused on 'free porn' and surfers not wanting to pay for porn. So I pose a question - how many people on tube sites viewing crappy quality clips are AFRAID to buy porn, or feel they can't hide their purchase for whatever reason if they do buy porn?

One example - in recent research, Entersekt reported that 51% of women and 40% of men desire personal anonymity online - fear divulging personal data because of credit card fraud and identity theft, and therefore are probably reluctant to have it known they?ve joined an ?adult? site.
http://www.entersekt.com/russian-roulette.php

How many people abandon you, or chicken out, after getting all the way to your pre-join or payment page? I'd love to know those stats.

Do you need more traffic or additional conversions?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i said you could use product placement in porn

It idiots like you and robbie that keep misrepresenting that to mean i am talking about mainstream companies.

All that proves is you guys are so clueless about product placement that you don't even know the metrics of the model.

Go away, again.

.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i said you could use product placement in porn

It idiots like you and robbie that keep misrepresenting that to mean i am talking about mainstream companies.

All that proves is you guys are so clueless about product placement that you don't even know the metrics of the model.

true dat.

after some time in this forum, I noticed people here have no fucking idea about mainstream, and thus, its impossible for them to make money there.

the average adult webmaster is LAZY and DUMB, they need to find something that a monkey could do, to make money. They hate using their brain or thinking, thats the truth.

Once they find something it works, they do monkey tasks and they don't want to change that because they feel comfortable doing it.

PIRIOD.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by sojproductions

in particular giving the content away free and monetizing it through ad space/data generation,

Sounds like a tube site

[Axel_Crak]

Good post

I wasnt there in the golden years, but i heard a lot

On my side i view it like that ( numbers are there as example )

ITs might be 10-15 times harder to convert now ( 1 : 100 to 1 : 1500)

Be it might also be 10-15 more peoples with credit card and internet

Nobody has the same number, so its just to give example, but fo me at the end it remains quite the same...

nobody cant agree that theres a lot of new market/countries that wasnt active before, so a lot of new costumer everyday... but they have acces to a lot of free stuff that wasnt there before... and you have to work way more harder to make $

There is more players in the industry, and less winners

But theres bilions of money to do... we do xx,xxx paid leads/su/members per day, and in the 5 last year, we double/triple or business number of the past year....

So Adult industry is pretty well alive


PS VenusB i dont know what do you have against cams sites... but for me its the most "honest" way if we can call it like that to convert a user.

Most of the big sites i promote has landing page with the active girls on the site
You can register for FREE, without even putting a credit card, so no sign up, rebills, upsales etc... You can buy tokens when you want and spent only if you want

You can talk, chat, interact, see REAL live girls... so a nice business models... cam is the present and the futur of online sex because its true and interactive

[bluebook18]

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

Good post

I wasnt there in the golden years, but i heard a lot

On my side i view it like that ( numbers are there as example )

ITs might be 10-15 times harder to convert now ( 1 : 100 to 1 : 1500)

Be it might also be 10-15 more peoples with credit card and internet

Nobody has the same number, so its just to give example, but fo me at the end it remains quite the same...

nobody cant agree that theres a lot of new market/countries that wasnt active before, so a lot of new costumer everyday... but they have acces to a lot of free stuff that wasnt there before... and you have to work way more harder to make $

There is more players in the industry, and less winners

But theres bilions of money to do... we do xx,xxx paid leads/su/members per day, and in the 5 last year, we double/triple or business number of the past year....

So Adult industry is pretty well alive


PS VenusB i dont know what do you have against cams sites... but for me its the most "honest" way if we can call it like that to convert a user.

Most of the big sites i promote has landing page with the active girls on the site
You can register for FREE, without even putting a credit card, so no sign up, rebills, upsales etc... You can buy tokens when you want and spent only if you want

You can talk, chat, interact, see REAL live girls... so a nice business models... cam is the present and the futur of online sex because its true and interactive

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by B2BwithJoeD

I've been doing some research lately, and the industry is focused on 'free porn' and surfers not wanting to pay for porn. So I pose a question - how many people on tube sites viewing crappy quality clips are AFRAID to buy porn, or feel they can't hide their purchase for whatever reason if they do buy porn?

How many on Tube sites see a scene and just don't think it's worth buying? The simple reason is the scene isn't good enough to stimulate the impulse to see more.

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

There is more players in the industry, and less winners

There were always too many online trying to make a living, it was too easy to do it.

[Barry-xlovecam]

"Companies that guide customers through stages of their journey have almost four times the revenue growth rate compared to that of the S&P 500." ... Forrester Research

Its not about the pixels, nor about the offered product 70% of the time -- it is about how your customer perceives you, his engagement and emotional attachment to your business. People buy from their friends ( and take free samples from anyone).

[beks001]

People are paying for the convenience. They pay so they don't have to surf around looking for something they know already exists. Everything and anything can be found on the internet for free. Some just aren't too cheap to pay for it and they probably don't have time to surf around for something when they know a small $30.00 month can get them there lickity split.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

You are right good sire.

Also, HALF of this forum talks about CAMS CAMS CAM + DATING DATING DATING.

What do you have to say about it?

never ever did a single sale with that shit, because u need to do e-whoring, like some nicks here suggested, you need to create FALSE INTERACTION to sell cams, pretending to be a girl and tricking suckers to buy that shit.

A LOT OF PEOPLE in this forum, talk abotu cams only, like its the only thing that makes money for them. They also talk all the time about API's and WHITE LABELS, what the fuck is that?.. Sometimes I feel like they talk in chinese, i have never ever used an api or a white label...

HONEST TRAFFIC converts with fetish paysites, not with cams.

Do you want to be an illegal SCAMMER AFFILIATE? Then sell cams... Unless you are the owner of one of the biggest 1000 adult sites and you can easily sell anything with that huge traffic.

PIRIOD.

if you've never promoted dating or cams, how can you dismiss it so harsh? How the hell are people promoting cams scammer affiliates? If there's any porn product which is 'what you see is what you get', it's cams.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Its not about the pixels, nor about the offered product 70% of the time -- it is about how your customer perceives you, his engagement and emotional attachment to your business. People buy from their friends ( and take free samples from anyone).

Very true. So dumping 100,000s on anonymous sites that all look the same doesn't work.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by beks001

People are paying for the convenience.

Exactly.

At some point, time is money for most successful people. Why do I want to spend a day, half a day, or even hour searching for something that I can buy immediately, and download in a few seconds (itunes) or few minutes (clips4sale)? I have better things to do with my time then going through all of the hassles to be a fucking freeloader, thief, whatever people would like to characterize those who do this as.

Most of these enterprise (mainstream/adult) sites are easy to search, they have what I want, it's easy to purchase, and I'm done. I buy a TON of stuff off Amazon. Even things I could pick up here locally in a 5-15 minute drive.

Why? Not because they are necessarily cheaper. It is frankly just more convenient for me. That has value.

[Slappin Fish]

no money in porn plenty in billing $200 xsales FTW

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly.

At some point, time is money for most successful people. Why do I want to spend a day, half a day, or even hour searching for something that I can buy immediately, and download in a few seconds (itunes) or few minutes (clips4sale)? I have better things to do with my time then going through all of the hassles to be a fucking freeloader, thief, whatever people would like to characterize those who do this as.

Most of these enterprise (mainstream/adult) sites are easy to search, they have what I want, it's easy to purchase, and I'm done. I buy a TON of stuff off Amazon. Even things I could pick up here locally in a 5-15 minute drive.

Why? Not because they are necessarily cheaper. It is frankly just more convenient for me. That has value.

1. Most porn searces in google bring up a porn tube site rather than a pay site or affiliate site.

2. It takes much longer to search out a site, join it, then log in, then download, than it does to go on a porn tube site and see the film instant.

3. I prefer to watch porn on a porn tube than have to download a film then get it to play on a player (and thats if it even plays ok).

4. If what you said (above) was true then porn tubes would get no views and pay sites would be getting tons of hits/sales. And clearly that is not the case.

Why do people join a pay site?

There is a reson why some do, and its simple. They cannot find the content on a tube. Ie, if a site has girl x having sex (say she is now on tv but did porn in the past) they will (reluctatly) join.

An example of this was one site I promoted had a exclusive vid of a celeb (from the UK). The site was a pay per film site rather than pay to access all content. I put up a site promoting this. It got to no1 in google. I got 867 or so sales that month - and all for her vid. After a few weeks the vid was on all the porn tubes. Sales went to 3 on average a month. Now this site also sent out a newsletter each week to members. One thus would have expected that all those people who bought the vid would buy more, but they did not.

Pretending that you have reasons why people will join a pay site is rather sad. Its just not real.

My mate spends all his cash on ble ray films. He used to buy 6 porn films each month. Then he found xhamster. He smiled and said he will never buy a film again. He loves that he can find everything he wants.

A week ago a footballer was dating a porn star. It was i n the newspaper. He said she is a babe. He typed her name in and all the google libkis were to tube sites. He is very happy. Like most people he DOES NOT want to save the vids to his pc. He wants to watch them one. If he wants to watch them again he can just go back to the site. But as he says there is soooo much on porn tubes that he cannot see it all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly.

At some point, time is money for most successful people. Why do I want to spend a day, half a day, or even hour searching for something that I can buy immediately, and download in a few seconds (itunes) or few minutes (clips4sale)? I have better things to do with my time then going through all of the hassles to be a fucking freeloader, thief, whatever people would like to characterize those who do this as.

Most of these enterprise (mainstream/adult) sites are easy to search, they have what I want, it's easy to purchase, and I'm done. I buy a TON of stuff off Amazon. Even things I could pick up here locally in a 5-15 minute drive.

Why? Not because they are necessarily cheaper. It is frankly just more convenient for me. That has value.

You have to think like a thief to catch a thief.

[DVTimes]

The logic of putting adverts at the start, middle, end is that they then can be uploaded to a tube site and seen by millions.

So just think what one film would be worth to advertise on. Say it gets 1 million hits on 1 tube. Times this by all the porn tubes. Plus all the downloads from your site, plus all the film sharing sites. Your film could be seen by millions of people. To me thats worth somthing.Of course its finding who to advertise on it.

This film will be on the net and shared till the end of time.

To me this method should make a site far more money then selling membership.

An example is that I have been downloading very old radio shows (usa ones such as 'farther knows best'). These have adverts in the show. Often for cofee. But I am listerning to the adverts. So today the adverts that may have meant to be played only that day and now still being heard 50 years or so later. That advertiser must be very happy as he now has realy got his money worth. And in 500 years that show may still being listened to on the net.

[Barefootsies]

I can honestly say I rarely, I rarely paid any attention to DVTimes before this week.

Now I can see why there is all of this hatred for this guy on GFY in the past. Before now, I simply never understood it. But I will admit, I really just ignored him and paid him little mind until recently, so that could be part of it.

I will say, I can now better understand those threads in the past. It's like talking to a brick wall of ignorance.

[DVTimes]

Today the model is free.

A lot of dating sites are now free. But make money from charging for extras, such as they limit free to the nomber of contacts each day. Pay often lets people chat to more.

Webcams are now free. But charge for tips. Models play this the best way they can to get more hits. Some also have banners on the camsite to promote other sites.

Porn tubes are free.

facebook and twiiter are free. that may sound silly for me to say, but in the uk we had friendsreunited that charged everybody to join. its died due to that. though i think today its now free.

google is free. but makes money from adverts.

So why not porn paysites to be free? the key is to work out how to make money from free.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I can honestly say I rarely, I rarely paid any attention to DVTimes before this week.

Now I can see why there is all of this hatred for this guy on GFY in the past. Before now, I simply never understood it. But I will admit, I really just ignored him and paid him little mind until recently, so that could be part of it.

I will say, I can now better understand those threads in the past. It's like talking to a brick wall of ignorance.

How odd.

You atack me for making some perfectly good arguments. I have not seen anthing you have posted to put forward a rebuff to my comments.

Its rather sad that the only comments you can give are personal insults.

Weather I am liked or not (not that i care if i am or not from totall stragers) is rather irrelivent.

Please stick to the arguments/sugestions made or we will just turn this thread into a rather pointless and childish thread of insults.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Its rather sad that the only comments you can give are personal insults.

I believe it's called a rhetorical general observation of DVTimes, and past threads. Not personal insults.

I am not here to win a metal for the British debate club to play point, counter point, with someone who has too much free time on their hands. I made a general observation about you. It was far from me flinging personal insults at you.

Perhaps you need to spend some time away from GFY to realize the difference.

[CurrentlySober]

I really love your posts... Please post MORE!

[EpicPanda]

Giving our content away wouldn't get it downloaded any more than it already is on pirate boards. The only thing "free" would do is remove the paywall, remove the traffic from affiliates, and increase our server bills as 10,000 people download HD movies directly from us instead of rapidgator. Or are you suggesting we should upload to filelockers ourselves and get $30 per 1000 downloads?

People are still joining our sites and we've increased 20% in gross sales every year. Sure, the filelocker piracy is maddening and a pain in the ass, but we must still be doing something right.

[atalkingapple]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Porn is free. Only a fucking moron would pay for it.

All the videos on my sites are free. Other then the pinlroll site that one of my domain point to witch im thinking about firing up another site of my own to use that domain on because the only way to really make anything off of pimproll is by sales and as you said now days only a moron's pay for porn. The sites i do make money off of i make it by selling the ad spaces witch is not making me rich either. with all my sites not including pimproll i only make anywhere from $200 to $250 a day and those are ill free sites. Im miking a mind blowing 63 cent per day with pimproll. Not even enough to pay the monthly fee for the domain im using for it. Free content and monetizing your site is where the money is now days..

[papill0n]

its impossible not to insult you because you truly are thicker than my shit

[atalkingapple]

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

never ever did a single sale with that shit, because u need to do e-whoring, like some nicks here suggested, you need to create FALSE INTERACTION to sell cams, pretending to be a girl and tricking suckers to buy that shit.

Which third world clowns have you been talking to?

A LOT OF PEOPLE in this forum, talk abotu cams only, like its the only thing that makes money for them. They also talk all the time about API's and WHITE LABELS, what the fuck is that?.. Sometimes I feel like they talk in chinese, i have never ever used an api or a white label...

The people who talk all the time about cams and how much money they make are broke losers making jack shit who want other people to sign up under their referral link, to make the money they're unable to make themselves. They are clueless and completely irrelevant.

People who drone on about white labels are also mindless fuckwits. They get a white label so they can jack off over it, thinking they're the new Adult Webmaster Empire. For some reason they seem to think someone is more likely to sign up to my-shitty-cam-domain-with-crappy-logo-made-with-MSpaint.com rather than streamate.com or cams.com.

HONEST TRAFFIC converts with fetish paysites, not with cams.

The people who send dishonest traffic to cams are the same dummies who believe in impossible $222 PPS payouts and then cry about it when they don't get paid.

Do you want to be an illegal SCAMMER AFFILIATE? Then sell cams... Unless you are the owner of one of the biggest 1000 adult sites and you can easily sell anything with that huge traffic.

People who want to crank one out to a live girl will sign up. People who aren't interested, won't. It's really that simple. How much traffic you have is irrelevant. How much traffic you have that has an interest in cams is what counts.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

A lot of dating sites are now free. But make money from charging for extras, such as they limit free to the nomber of contacts each day. Pay often lets people chat to more.

Webcams are now free. But charge for tips. Models play this the best way they can to get more hits. Some also have banners on the camsite to promote other sites.

I shall name this mind-blowing new discovery.... upselling.

facebook and twiiter are free. that may sound silly for me to say, but in the uk we had friendsreunited that charged everybody to join. its died due to that.

The site, which I'm pretty sure is just a copy of classmates.com, charged about $10 a year to join, which is about as free as you can get without being free. If Facebook charged $10 a year, every one of the idiots who are on there now would pay it.

The people who did Friends Reunited made millions from subscriptions, and then sold it for about $300 million. Why that much? Because it was making zillions a year by charging members. It 'died' because the company that bought it had no clue what to do with it and it went free because everyone stopped caring about the rest of the internet when Facebook came along.

So why not porn paysites to be free? the key is to work out how to make money from free.

Well obviously they have ads. Ads for other paysites. Paysites that would be free.

[VenusBlogger]

Well man, I know you are being partly ironic, but you are including some facts there.

So, are you saying that all the people in this forum talking all the time about how they do GREAT and AMAZING and SUPER and like "1998" with CAMS CAMS CAMS and DATING DATING DATING, are FULL OF SHIT ???...

Any webmaster I ask in private or in ICQ tell me that they can never convert CAMS, and they get 0:20,000... Problem is that im the only one saying it publicly, but in private when I talk to people they all tell me the same... ONLY in forums you see FAKE ASSHOLES saying they do great with CAMS, What the fuck?.. I'm talking about affiliates, not HUGE SITES OWNERS.. Obviously if you own a DUTCH PORNSTAR SITE with 1 million hits per day, you will do great with anything you sell, Ronald or others...

Im tired of some fuckers talking all the time about CAMS CAMS CAMS, White labels, APIs, and DATING to trick people and get referrals, what a bunch of fuckers.

Those guys have no idea about paysites?? You wil never see them talking about regular paysites, they are 100% cams, WTF??? even their avatar or the nick is CAM RELATED, what the fuck? Who are those fuckers?..

BTW, DATING is going down down, they cant compete with the biggest DATING SITE that is FREE (FACEBOOK). Any guy I know talks about how they meet a new girl on facebook every week... And they are real, not FAKE like most AFF PROFILES with STOLEN PICTURES, they even got sued for using STOLEN PICS...

PIRIOD.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

So, are you saying that all the people in this forum talking all the time about how they do GREAT and AMAZING and SUPER and like "1998" with CAMS CAMS CAMS and DATING DATING DATING, are FULL OF SHIT ???...

I doubt m/any of the people saying that were even online in 1998. Most of them seem to be from places in the world that didn't even have electricity till a few years ago.

Any webmaster I ask in private or in ICQ tell me that they can never convert CAMS, and they get 0:20,000... Problem is that im the only one saying it publicly, but in private when I talk to people they all tell me the same... ONLY in forums you see FAKE ASSHOLES saying they do great with CAMS, What the fuck?..

Fact: Anyone with an affiliate link to something is making nothing on the thing they're linking to. Fact: Anyone who says they can make money on something, and within the same post has an affiliate link to the same or similar thing they're 'making money' on is lying. Oh, and the larger the sig, the more full of shit they are.

I'm talking about affiliates, not HUGE SITES OWNERS.. Obviously if you own a DUTCH PORNSTAR SITE with 1 million hits per day, you will do great with anything you sell, Ronald or others...

Then you have a few alternatives. You can buy or trade immense amounts of completely useless traffic then complain about ratios of 0:20,000 or you can develop sites that are of interest to people, and then send those people to other sites that may interest them.

Better to have 500 hits where 10 people might be interested enough to sign up, than 20,000 hits where absolutely nobody is.

Im tired of some fuckers talking all the time about CAMS CAMS CAMS, White labels, APIs, and DATING to trick people and get referrals, what a bunch of fuckers.

Just ignore them. They try and make up for being nobodies by making a noise.

Those guys have no idea about paysites?? You wil never see them talking about regular paysites, they are 100% cams, WTF??? even their avatar or the nick is CAM RELATED, what the fuck? Who are those fuckers?..

The reason they talk about cams and dating is because, unlike paysites, cams and dating have ridiculously high PPS rates. Their junk signups won't make shit with revshare, but they apparently seriously believe a cam site will pay out $222 on a $30 signup that will never buy again or will charge back later.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

most people these days use a mobile phone (and one supects do not surfe but use phone apps).

My stats say most people are not visiting my sites via a mobile device. Not even close.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I can honestly say I rarely, I rarely paid any attention to DVTimes before this week.

Now I can see why there is all of this hatred for this guy on GFY in the past. Before now, I simply never understood it. But I will admit, I really just ignored him and paid him little mind until recently, so that could be part of it.

I will say, I can now better understand those threads in the past. It's like talking to a brick wall of ignorance.

Agreed...

Take a look at OP's network and you'll understand why he cant sell memberships