The FSC and Manwin, I Can't Get My Head Around The Scam - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 07-26-2012, 02:03 PM

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Call me cynical but I just can't figure the angle here, and I'm not alone. Be it twitter, GFY or anyplace else where porners gather everyone figures there just has to be an angle here. I mean you have two of the biggest organizations of thieves in the known universe (outside of congress) there just has to be a scam in this someplace right?

What is it? what's the lowdown? How does it play out when the condom mandate passes? Why is Fabian parting with this money? It appears to be a gesture of good will but everyone has dealt with Manwin enough to know to be suspect, VERY suspect.

The one thing I see that it does is prop up APHSS, without it APHSS is dead in the water for sure, no ifs, ands or buts. but why does Fabian want to prop up APHSS? It is rumored that Manwin has a financial interest in cutting edge testing, something Fabian denies, but as is often pointed out he denied owning tubes sites, file lockers and stealing content too.

One speculation is that this is to get all the performers in APHSS, get them testing two times a month then stop the funding. Kind of like giving someone free heroin til they are hooked then making them a customer for the life of their addiction, a little money spent up front to make a lot down the road.

Another more plausible possibility is that Fabian sees that his tube sites are going to become a target and will be attacked soon, that is in all likelihood correct, so Fabian sees the FSC as the perfect whore....I mean ally, in that they are indeed for sale to anyone that waves some money at them.

My gut tells me that The FSC was way too quick to accept this money without knowing what strings are attached. So in essence Manwin has purchased The FSC.

At this point I would caution performers about allowing your info to be in the FSC database at any level, including APHSS, even for 100 bucks a month.

Something just doesn't smell right here.

Paper_Amar · 07-26-2012, 02:05 PM

Another more plausible possibility is that Fabian sees that his tube sites are going to become a target and will be attacked soon, that is in all likelihood correct -

can you expand on this

Gozarian · 07-26-2012, 02:09 PM

FSC has been purchased more time than a $5 whore

)

JOKER · 07-26-2012, 02:27 PM

Another possibility - as unlikely as it may seem to some or most - might also be that Manwin simply wants to turn it's image around and work towards shedding the bad reputation that they have in the eyes of some.

But hey what do I know, right?

L-Pink · 07-26-2012, 02:38 PM

A thief is a thief is a thief. Never trust one.

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sandman! · 07-26-2012, 02:40 PM

mikesouth · 07-26-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER

Another possibility - as unlikely as it may seem to some or most - might also be that Manwin simply wants to turn it's image around and work towards shedding the bad reputation that they have in the eyes of some.

But hey what do I know, right?

You may be right and I have indeed considered that but theres an old saying

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Can you blame anyone that is suspicious of Fabians motives?

Quentin · 07-26-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Another more plausible possibility is that Fabian sees that his tube sites are going to become a target and will be attacked soon, that is in all likelihood correct, so Fabian sees the FSC as the perfect whore....I mean ally, in that they are indeed for sale to anyone that waves some money at them.

Given your opinion that the FSC completely lacks competence, shouldn't you be cheering on this alliance?

After all, if the FSC can't do anything right, and Manwin is a den of thieves, then isn't it better if the ineptitude of the FSC serves to directly frustrate whatever sinister plot Manwin might have in mind here?

;-)

JOKER · 07-26-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

You may be right and I have indeed considered that but theres an old saying

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Can you blame anyone that is suspicious of Fabians motives?

Nope, I'm definitively not blaming you or anyone for that.

Manwin will have to earn their good reputation just like everyone else, they probably have to even work harder for it.

mikesouth · 07-26-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

Given your opinion that the FSC completely lacks competence, shouldn't you be cheering on this alliance?

After all, if the FSC can't do anything right, and Manwin is a den of thieves, then isn't it better if the ineptitude of the FSC serves to directly frustrate whatever sinister plot Manwin might have in mind here?

;-)

Actually I'm trying to figure out if I should be cheering or not, thats the problem....It's like seriously mixed emotions.....

TheSquealer · 07-26-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Actually I'm trying to figure out if I should be cheering or not, thats the problem....It's like seriously mixed emotions.....

No your not.

You're a dipshit that who started a discussion by framing it as "a scam" organized by "two of the biggest organizations of thieves in the known universe". Pretty obvious you'll never be cheering for Manwin of the FSC if they cured cancer and brokered peace in the Middle East..

Why are you any better than Fabian? You're every bit as full of shit and dishonest about your motivations/agenda as anyone you write about.

Idiot.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-26-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER

Another possibility - as unlikely as it may seem to some or most - might also be that Manwin simply wants to turn it's image around and work towards shedding the bad reputation that they have in the eyes of some.

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topnotch, standup guy · 07-26-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

A thief is a thief is a thief. Never trust one.

Quoted for truth

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theking · 07-26-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

Call me cynical but I just can't figure the angle here, and I'm not alone. Be it twitter, GFY or anyplace else where porners gather everyone figures there just has to be an angle here. I mean you have two of the biggest organizations of thieves in the known universe (outside of congress) there just has to be a scam in this someplace right?

What is it? what's the lowdown? How does it play out when the condom mandate passes? Why is Fabian parting with this money? It appears to be a gesture of good will but everyone has dealt with Manwin enough to know to be suspect, VERY suspect.

The one thing I see that it does is prop up APHSS, without it APHSS is dead in the water for sure, no ifs, ands or buts. but why does Fabian want to prop up APHSS? It is rumored that Manwin has a financial interest in cutting edge testing, something Fabian denies, but as is often pointed out he denied owning tubes sites, file lockers and stealing content too.

One speculation is that this is to get all the performers in APHSS, get them testing two times a month then stop the funding. Kind of like giving someone free heroin til they are hooked then making them a customer for the life of their addiction, a little money spent up front to make a lot down the road.

Another more plausible possibility is that Fabian sees that his tube sites are going to become a target and will be attacked soon, that is in all likelihood correct, so Fabian sees the FSC as the perfect whore....I mean ally, in that they are indeed for sale to anyone that waves some money at them.

My gut tells me that The FSC was way too quick to accept this money without knowing what strings are attached. So in essence Manwin has purchased The FSC.

At this point I would caution performers about allowing your info to be in the FSC database at any level, including APHSS, even for 100 bucks a month.

Something just doesn't smell right here.

Do you have an attorney...or just nothing of value?

Gozarian · 07-26-2012, 03:10 PM

If FSC cures cancer and brokers peace in the middle eats - i'll suck you dick in a public venue and give you 2 weeks to gather a crowd

peterk · 07-26-2012, 03:12 PM

i read this and was wondering the same thing, what in the world is the fsc doing getting involved with aids testing and models??? aren't they lawyers who fight first amendment cases. this seems out of character for then. odd.

Far-L · 07-26-2012, 03:19 PM

Let's expose the truth!

Barefootsies · 07-26-2012, 03:22 PM

"The mouth of the south" rides again....

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

Call me cynical but I just can't figure the angle here, and I'm not alone. Be it twitter, GFY or anyplace else where porners gather everyone figures there just has to be an angle here. I mean you have two of the biggest organizations of thieves in the known universe (outside of congress) there just has to be a scam in this someplace right?

DirtyWhiteBoy - "Since when did an industry full of felons, crooks, thieves, scammers and other criminals start worrying about the rules? "

topnotch, standup guy · 07-26-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Why are you any better than Fabian? You're every bit as full of shit and dishonest about your motivations/agenda as anyone you write about.

Full of shit? Maybe.

But.. I don't see everyone's shit on tubes owned by Mike South.

Do you?
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DWB · 07-26-2012, 04:12 PM

Who couldn't use a $50,000+ a month tax deduction while making their company look good in the process?

Doesn't really matter to me who does what, but we all know neither party involved gives a squirt of piss about the talent. No one ever has. I just find it a bit ironic that the most well organized company in the industry is letting a cluster fuck of an organization run it. At least you know if Manwin was in control of it, it would be done right. Of course there is no telling what would happen to the database, but it's not like performers have good credit to ruin, so there really isn't much at stake.

marcop · 07-26-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Of course there is no telling what would happen to the database, but it's not like performers have good credit to ruin, so there really isn't much at stake.

TheSquealer · 07-26-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Full of shit? Maybe.

But.. I don't see everyone's shit on tubes owned by Mike South.

Do you?
.

I don't have an opinion on his content or how he runs his business. I honestly don't have an opinion Manwin and their present or past business practices. That is not what I was commenting on (though i fully understand that would be different if i was a producer).

I am always struck by the fact that he has an agenda and tries to pretend he doesn't. Who in their right mind characterizes two companies as being the biggest thieves in the universe... then in the next breath pretends they are considering supporting them? This is his style. It's bizarre to me that no one calls him exactly what he is.

My opinion on bitching about Manwin is that they are where they are. It is what it is. It's done. Lock your content down or stop bitching. End of story.

FSC is a joke as well. A rudderless ship, always trying to convince everyone it has a destination. Wasn't too many years ago they announced they were going to fight against malware on everyones behalf. These are poorly organized people, who are poorly led, with an ill defined mission who's single biggest interest seems to be to keep figuring out how to make sure they still have jobs.

Gozarian · 07-26-2012, 04:40 PM

Like him or hate him there is one thing Mike is not - duplicitous

DWB · 07-26-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

FSC is a joke as well. A rudderless ship, always trying to convince everyone it has a destination.

Wasn't too many years ago they announced they were going to fight against malware on everyones behalf.

These are poorly organized people, who are poorly led, with an ill defined mission who's single biggest interest seems to be to keep figuring out how to make sure they still have jobs.

A rudderless ship, always trying to convince everyone it has a destination.

Perhaps the best description of them yet.

xXXtesy10 · 07-26-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by peterk

i read this and was wondering the same thing, what in the world is the fsc doing getting involved with aids testing and models??? aren't they lawyers who fight first amendment cases. this seems out of character for then. odd.

Ever play a game called monopoly?

Freaky_Akula · 07-26-2012, 05:09 PM

Manwin did fight the ICMRegistry so they get a bit of credit for that. Other than that, I do not trust them.

xXXtesy10 · 07-26-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Manwin did fight the ICMRegistry so they get a bit of credit for that. Other than that, I do not trust them.

You think they did that out of good will? A gesture of kindness?

mikesouth · 07-26-2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No your not.

You're a dipshit that who started a discussion by framing it as "a scam" organized by "two of the biggest organizations of thieves in the known universe". Pretty obvious you'll never be cheering for Manwin of the FSC if they cured cancer and brokered peace in the Middle East..

Why are you any better than Fabian? You're every bit as full of shit and dishonest about your motivations/agenda as anyone you write about.

Idiot.

It pains me so that you do not approve of me......LOL

signupdamnit · 07-26-2012, 05:20 PM

Manwin has a lot to lose. They are at the top of this industry now. They have a strong interest in not wanting to see a scandal develop which leads to more government regulations and bad publicity.

As for the FSC they are struggling to survive in the new times. They used to make a lot from smaller players in adult joining up. Now many of those players are gone (in part due to Manwin). Intertwining with large players helps ensure them a future and that their salaries are paid.

peterk · 07-26-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

Ever play a game called monopoly?

why would the fsc want to play monopoly, they are lawyers.

peterk · 07-26-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Manwin did fight the ICMRegistry so they get a bit of credit for that. Other than that, I do not trust them.

i thought they did that because they couldnt get their own domain names for normal cost from icm registry ? there was also some talk of partnership but icm registry turned them down.

NemesisEnforcer · 07-27-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

Call me cynical but I just can't figure the angle here, and I'm not alone. ...

Can't blame you for being cynical. It could be that Manwin wants a say in all aspects of the business that affects them. Soon you will see them getting involved in the talent agency business.

Captain Kawaii · 07-27-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Who couldn't use a $50,000+ a month tax deduction while making their company look good in the process?

Doesn't really matter to me who does what, but we all know neither party involved gives a squirt of piss about the talent. No one ever has. I just find it a bit ironic that the most well organized company in the industry is letting a cluster fuck of an organization run it. At least you know if Manwin was in control of it, it would be done right. Of course there is no telling what would happen to the database, but it's not like performers have good credit to ruin, so there really isn't much at stake.

Captain Kawaii · 07-27-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Can't blame you for being cynical. It could be that Manwin wants a say in all aspects of the business that affects them. Soon you will see them getting involved in the talent agency business.

This could be step 1.

pornguy · 07-27-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Dude. You got that SOOOOOO wrong.

its

" Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice, you cant fool me twice. "

Ask Bush.

I for one would like to know whats behind this as well. Always a chance they are trying to clean up the name. But NO ONE puts up that kind of money without some sort of ROI.

NemesisEnforcer · 07-27-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

This could be step 1.

I believe step 2 is underway as well.

BlackAndBlue · 07-27-2012, 01:02 PM

Did anyone else notice that there seems to be no rebate for the talent's costs to APPLY for the APISS database? Pay them for the test, sure. But FSC still gets money for them to be included.

And what happened to FSC couldn't get personal information from the database, and only listed performer's real name and whether they were okay to work on specific date? Now they are asking for performers phone and email, so they can "check the database" to match them up for "rebates".

While I still stand by my opinion that the AIM database had nothing to do with information being on PWL (more likely from reviewer copies of 2257 documents), this sounds like the promise of not having performer's personal information online, or otherwise available, just got thrown out the window.

There's a lot of fishy stuff in this announced program, IMO. Would like FSC to detail all of this much more thoroughly.

Choker · 07-27-2012, 01:06 PM

The Hun started out linking to peoples indexes, but when he stopped he suddenly became the most respected webmaster around and everyone ignored his untethical beginnings and used him to make money, in some cases a lot of money. From what I see Manwin makes it just as easy as the Hun did to spread the wealth around.

mikesouth · 07-27-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue

Did anyone else notice that there seems to be no rebate for the talent's costs to APPLY for the APISS database? Pay them for the test, sure. But FSC still gets money for them to be included.

And what happened to FSC couldn't get personal information from the database, and only listed performer's real name and whether they were okay to work on specific date? Now they are asking for performers phone and email, so they can "check the database" to match them up for "rebates".

While I still stand by my opinion that the AIM database had nothing to do with information being on PWL (more likely from reviewer copies of 2257 documents), this sounds like the promise of not having performer's personal information online, or otherwise available, just got thrown out the window.

There's a lot of fishy stuff in this announced program, IMO. Would like FSC to detail all of this much more thoroughly.

So talent has to pay the FSC to be in APHSS?

Just Wow.

LeRoy · 07-27-2012, 01:26 PM

You guys arent thinkin hard enough! I'm disappointed

DWB · 07-27-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

You guys arent thinkin hard enough! I'm disappointed

OK... ok... here it goes....

Mansef created the HIV virus when their rag head thieving owner yuuuussseeeeef fucked a monkey, and now Manwin has a cure, but the FSC got that cure and fucked it up and didn't know not to use dirty needles and they spread it around the industry and they have been lying about every test result cover it all up. So the cure turned into a nightmare, and Manwin is trying to clean it all up.

Close?

mikesouth · 07-27-2012, 01:52 PM

Thats just awesome

Quentin · 07-27-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

So talent has to pay the FSC to be in APHSS?

Just Wow.

According to the APHSS website, this is false.

Quoting from the FAQ on aphss.org:

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Is APHSS.org free-of-charge?

APHSS.org is free of charge for performers. Beginning in January 2012, producers will be charged to access the database.

It's possible the aphss website is incorrect or out of date, but that text seems fairly unequivocal, to me.

LeRoy · 07-27-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

OK... ok... here it goes....

Mansef created the HIV virus when their rag head thieving owner yuuuussseeeeef fucked a monkey, and now Manwin has a cure, but the FSC got that cure and fucked it up and didn't know not to use dirty needles and they spread it around the industry and they have been lying about every test result cover it all up. So the cure turned into a nightmare, and Manwin is trying to clean it all up.

Close?

Very close and definitely an "e" for effort!

but close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and love affairs

DDuke · 07-27-2012, 03:28 PM

I just wanted to correct some misinformation out there about APHSS (Adult Performer Health and Safety Services). Performers have never had to pay to be part of APHSS and they never will. Also, our request for performer addresses, is for mailing performers their checks. Addresses will be kept separate from APHSS information on a completely different and secure server for accounting purposes only.

The goal of the fund is to alleviate some of the costs of testing to performers-that’s all. Ninety days after the Performer Subsidy Fund program starts, FSC will do a complete analysis of the program’s success—including a survey out to performers to determine their level of satisfaction with the program. Monthly, FSC will produce a report that shows all income that has come into the fund, how many tests were reported to APHSS, the amount of the reimbursement per test and how many performers were reimbursed.

One hundred percent of the $50,000/month that Manwin contributes to the fund will go directly to the performers and 100% of any funds other producers contribute will go directly to the performers as well. Manwin has committed to the program through 2012.

Haters gonna hate--but no matter what you think about Manwin, me or FSC, a minimum of $250,000 going directly into performers' pockets is a good thing.

If you want more info about the Performer Subsidy Fund check out our blog fscblogger.wordpress.com

peterk · 07-27-2012, 04:34 PM

Why is the fsc getting involved with this??? You are
Lawyers not health care workers. Why not stick to the court room?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDuke

I just wanted to correct some misinformation out there about APHSS (Adult Performer Health and Safety Services). Performers have never had to pay to be part of APHSS and they never will. Also, our request for performer addresses, is for mailing performers their checks. Addresses will be kept separate from APHSS information on a completely different and secure server for accounting purposes only.

The goal of the fund is to alleviate some of the costs of testing to performers-that?s all. Ninety days after the Performer Subsidy Fund program starts, FSC will do a complete analysis of the program?s success?including a survey out to performers to determine their level of satisfaction with the program. Monthly, FSC will produce a report that shows all income that has come into the fund, how many tests were reported to APHSS, the amount of the reimbursement per test and how many performers were reimbursed.

One hundred percent of the $50,000/month that Manwin contributes to the fund will go directly to the performers and 100% of any funds other producers contribute will go directly to the performers as well. Manwin has committed to the program through 2012.

Haters gonna hate--but no matter what you think about Manwin, me or FSC, a minimum of $250,000 going directly into performers' pockets is a good thing.

If you want more info about the Performer Subsidy Fund check out our blog fscblogger.wordpress.com

JFK · 07-27-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozarian

If FSC cures cancer and brokers peace in the middle eats - i'll suck you dick in a public venue and give you 2 weeks to gather a crowd

Looking forward to seeing it

JFK · 07-27-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

It pains me so that you do not approve of me......LOL

take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning

mikesouth · 07-27-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DDuke

I just wanted to correct some misinformation out there about APHSS (Adult Performer Health and Safety Services). Performers have never had to pay to be part of APHSS and they never will. Also, our request for performer addresses, is for mailing performers their checks. Addresses will be kept separate from APHSS information on a completely different and secure server for accounting purposes only.

Ok so is the apiss database not secure? and what about all that we wont know who is whom only if they are available to work stuff...you will have to tie the apiss database to the pay the performers for giving us their info database. This misinformation seems to be coming as a result of the FSC fumbling around and not thinking things through....or withholding information intentionally.

Sorry Diane but the FSC isn't exactly a paragon of virtue and honesty. matter of fact Cabal of thieves is much much closer

I mean I get why the FSC took the money, they always take the money, what I dont get is what Fabian is getting outta this has he bought defacto control of the FSC by propping up apiss and why is the FSC involved in this at all, the FSC has NO expertise in this area (or any area that I can detect)

And I do believe that at one time performers WERE expected to pay to be in APISS not like you haven't lied before Diane....I seem to recall YOU telling the L.A. Times that the FSC took down *************.

Do tell Diane.

mikesouth · 07-28-2012, 12:34 PM

ummm Diane?

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Gozarian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: most recently Bucharest Posts: 558	Like him or hate him there is one thing Mike is not - duplicitous

07-26-2012, 05:09 PM	#26
Freaky_Akula Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,670	Manwin did fight the ICMRegistry so they get a bit of credit for that. Other than that, I do not trust them. __________________

07-26-2012, 05:20 PM	#29
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Manwin has a lot to lose. They are at the top of this industry now. They have a strong interest in not wanting to see a scandal develop which leads to more government regulations and bad publicity. As for the FSC they are struggling to survive in the new times. They used to make a lot from smaller players in adult joining up. Now many of those players are gone (in part due to Manwin). Intertwining with large players helps ensure them a future and that their salaries are paid. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

07-27-2012, 01:02 PM	#37
BlackAndBlue Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porn Valley, CA Posts: 193	Did anyone else notice that there seems to be no rebate for the talent's costs to APPLY for the APISS database? Pay them for the test, sure. But FSC still gets money for them to be included. And what happened to FSC couldn't get personal information from the database, and only listed performer's real name and whether they were okay to work on specific date? Now they are asking for performers phone and email, so they can "check the database" to match them up for "rebates". While I still stand by my opinion that the AIM database had nothing to do with information being on PWL (more likely from reviewer copies of 2257 documents), this sounds like the promise of not having performer's personal information online, or otherwise available, just got thrown out the window. There's a lot of fishy stuff in this announced program, IMO. Would like FSC to detail all of this much more thoroughly.

07-27-2012, 01:06 PM	#38
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	The Hun started out linking to peoples indexes, but when he stopped he suddenly became the most respected webmaster around and everyone ignored his untethical beginnings and used him to make money, in some cases a lot of money. From what I see Manwin makes it just as easy as the Hun did to spread the wealth around. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

07-27-2012, 01:26 PM	#40
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,334	You guys arent thinkin hard enough! I'm disappointed __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

07-27-2012, 01:52 PM	#42
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	Thats just awesome __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

07-27-2012, 03:28 PM	#45
DDuke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 16	I just wanted to correct some misinformation out there about APHSS (Adult Performer Health and Safety Services). Performers have never had to pay to be part of APHSS and they never will. Also, our request for performer addresses, is for mailing performers their checks. Addresses will be kept separate from APHSS information on a completely different and secure server for accounting purposes only. The goal of the fund is to alleviate some of the costs of testing to performers-that’s all. Ninety days after the Performer Subsidy Fund program starts, FSC will do a complete analysis of the program’s success—including a survey out to performers to determine their level of satisfaction with the program. Monthly, FSC will produce a report that shows all income that has come into the fund, how many tests were reported to APHSS, the amount of the reimbursement per test and how many performers were reimbursed. One hundred percent of the $50,000/month that Manwin contributes to the fund will go directly to the performers and 100% of any funds other producers contribute will go directly to the performers as well. Manwin has committed to the program through 2012. Haters gonna hate--but no matter what you think about Manwin, me or FSC, a minimum of $250,000 going directly into performers' pockets is a good thing. If you want more info about the Performer Subsidy Fund check out our blog fscblogger.wordpress.com __________________ Diane Duke FSC, Executive Director [email protected] Last edited by DDuke; 07-27-2012 at 03:37 PM..

07-28-2012, 12:34 PM	#50
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	ummm Diane? __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.