Google News - Punishing Pirate Sites - GoFuckYourself.com

candyflip · 08-10-2012, 10:47 AM

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Google constantly tweaks how its search engine delivers results to people, but it's rolling out a major new change next week: it'll start generally downranking sites that receive a high volume of copyright infringement notices from copyright holders. Google says the move is designed to "help users find legitimate, quality sources of content more easily" ? meaning that it's trying to direct people who search for movies, TV shows, and music to sites like Hulu and Spotify, not torrent sites or data lockers like the infamous MegaUpload.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/32...copyright-dmca

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 10:50 AM

I'll believe it when I see it.

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 10:52 AM

Oh and BTW... If they DO do this, it's not because they give a flying fuck about the copyright holders. It's because THEY will be hassled with a lot fewer DMCA requests.

Google is evil.

digitalfantasies · 08-10-2012, 10:52 AM

so youtube will get a penalty

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

so youtube will get a penalty

ROTFL no, only THE OTHER pirates.

Nifty way to squeeze out the competition actually.

u-Bob · 08-10-2012, 10:59 AM

*cough* negative seo *cough*

Best-In-BC · 08-10-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

ROTFL no, only THE OTHER pirates.

Nifty way to squeeze out the competition actually.

isteve · 08-10-2012, 11:01 AM

Whatever their reason is for doing this, the result is still very good for copyright owners...

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Oh and BTW... If they DO do this, it's not because they give a flying fuck about the copyright holders. It's because THEY will be hassled with a lot fewer DMCA requests.

Google is evil.

isteve · 08-10-2012, 11:03 AM

So youtube is a pirate site now?

There is pirates on youtube, but youtube is not operated by pirates. Come on, you cant be serious. ..

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Originally Posted by DamageX

ROTFL no, only THE OTHER pirates.

Nifty way to squeeze out the competition actually.

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by isteve

So youtube is a pirate site now?

There is pirates on youtube, but youtube is not operated by pirates. Come on, you cant be serious. ..

YouTube is no different than any other tube site hiding behind DMCA. So calling some of those tubes "pirates", while owning & operating the world's biggest illegal tube, makes for pretty fucking huge rocks being thrown in a small glass house.

Radical Bucks · 08-10-2012, 11:08 AM

I hope they start with Manwin and anyone who shoots for Manwin.

GetSCORECash · 08-10-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

YouTube is no different than any other tube site hiding behind DMCA. So calling some of those tubes "pirates", while owning & operating the world's biggest illegal tube, makes for pretty fucking huge rocks being thrown in a small glass house.

Robbie · 08-10-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

That is good news for us honest webmasters no matter how you slice it.

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That is good news for us honest webmasters no matter how you slice it.

Only if it's implemented and results in a considerable loss of traffic for the big tubes, torrent sites and file lockers.

signupdamnit · 08-10-2012, 11:22 AM

It's about time. I'm very skeptical that they will actually apply it to porn. I can see them applying it to content related to the MPAA and RIAA but then thumbing their noses at the adult industry.

IF this does actually happen and they apply it to us we would all be very smart to start organizing campaigns to help speed along the DMCA requests and to maximize them in order to get these sites off the first page ASAP. We will all make a lot more money once these sites get buried on page 50.

signupdamnit · 08-10-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

I hope they start with Manwin and anyone who shoots for Manwin.

Bury Google in valid DMCAs for them. Make it a joint operation between hudreds or thousands of content owners. That might do the trick.

Klen · 08-10-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Only if it's implemented and results in a considerable loss of traffic for the big tubes, torrent sites and file lockers.

That would be killing.Literally

helterskelter808 · 08-10-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

YouTube is no different than any other tube site hiding behind DMCA. So calling some of those tubes "pirates", while owning & operating the world's biggest illegal tube, makes for pretty fucking huge rocks being thrown in a small glass house.

What's "illegal" about Youtube then? Take your time.

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What's "illegal" about Youtube then? Take your time.

The same thing that's "illegal" about all porn tubes. Take your time.

helterskelter808 · 08-10-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

The same thing that's "illegal" about all porn tubes. Take your time.

Which is? Take your time.

halfpint · 08-10-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What's "illegal" about Youtube then? Take your time.

You could argue the same thing about file lockers, forums, porn tube sites and just about any other site that allows user content to be posted and earn money from it, They are not run by pirates, Pirates just use them as a tool

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Which is?

I know you're trying to show me I'm not the "know-it-all" you think I act like, but seriously... Pick your battles, son.

helterskelter808 · 08-10-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I know you're trying to show me I'm not the "know-it-all" you think I act like, but seriously... Pick your battles, son.

I'm just asking you a simple question, old man. Why is Youtube "illegal"?

helterskelter808 · 08-10-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

You could argue the same thing about file lockers, forums, porn tube sites and just about any other site that allows user content to be posted and earn money from it, They are not run by pirates, Pirates just use them as a tool

Many sites are set up to facilitate piracy. Youtube is not one of them. Which is obvious to anyone who doesn't have an axe to grind. Perhaps some people just don't like Youtube's negative policy towards people using it for marketing and strategy.

DamageX · 08-10-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I'm just asking you a simple question, old man. Why is Youtube "illegal"?

You know, you got me, I have no fucking clue. Happy?

Now, can you pipe down so we can get back to the subject at hand and discuss how this will affect the adult industry, if implemented? Thank you.

signupdamnit · 08-10-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Many sites are set up to facilitate piracy. Youtube is not one of them.

I agree. They have a repeat infringer policy which is actually enforced. After three strikes they will either suspend or delete your account and all videos you upload. I've seen many legal videos deleted because the account holder uploaded a bunch of other copyrighted material and so had ALL their videos removed. Youtube does not play around. If the tubes in our industry did as Youtube does it would make a big difference in our industry as far as piracy.

Harmon · 08-10-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

You know, you got me, I have no fucking clue. Happy?

Now, can you pipe down so we can get back to the subject at hand and discuss how this will affect the adult industry, if implemented? Thank you.

Actually I'd like to hear your answer as well.

Harmon · 08-10-2012, 01:31 PM

Youtube doesn't want pirated shit on their site, where as tube sites thrive off of it, and they know it. 98% of shit on tube sites was uplaoded by the owner or his/her employees under fake accounts in order to fill it with content.

Comparing YouTube to YouPorn, Tube8 or the like is just ridiculous and naive.

Paul Markham · 08-10-2012, 01:35 PM

Be thankful for small morsels.

brassmonkey · 08-10-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

YouTube is no different than any other tube site hiding behind DMCA. So calling some of those tubes "pirates", while owning & operating the world's biggest illegal tube, makes for pretty fucking huge rocks being thrown in a small glass house.

bullshit!

Harmon · 08-10-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Be thankful for small morsels.

Be thankful for Life Alert

Robbie · 08-10-2012, 04:10 PM

It simply is not possible for any thread on GFY to ever actually stay on subject. No matter how important something may be for our industry it always comes back to trolling and name calling. It's like a kindergarten around here. lol

CyberHustler · 08-10-2012, 04:18 PM

I smell nervousness...

V_RocKs · 08-10-2012, 04:35 PM

Interesting... Hope the people sending out DMCA's to tubes now sent a copy to Google.

Jel · 08-10-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

YouTube is no different than any other tube site hiding behind DMCA. So calling some of those tubes "pirates", while owning & operating the world's biggest illegal tube, makes for pretty fucking huge rocks being thrown in a small glass house.

A-fucking-men

Jel · 08-10-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

Youtube doesn't want pirated shit on their site, where as tube sites thrive off of it, and they know it. 98% of shit on tube sites was uplaoded by the owner or his/her employees under fake accounts in order to fill it with content.

Comparing YouTube to YouPorn, Tube8 or the like is just ridiculous and naive.

Actually, good point there.

Struggle4Bucks · 08-10-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Google constantly tweaks how its search engine delivers results to people, but it's rolling out a major new change next week: it'll start generally downranking sites that receive a high volume of copyright infringement notices from copyright holders. Google says the move is designed to "help users find legitimate, quality sources of content more easily" ? meaning that it's trying to direct people who search for movies, TV shows, and music to sites like Hulu and Spotify, not torrent sites or data lockers like the infamous MegaUpload.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/32...copyright-dmca

If the mthrfckrs "want to help users find legitimate, quality sources of content more easily", then why did they stop sending my legitimate site the traffic I had??? I strongly depend on my affiliates and their traffic so fuck google... but it was good to gradually see more traffic coming from the SE after years... Since last week some good searchterms that started to give me some nice traffic all off a sudden put tubes and a lot of non-relevant garbage content on the first pages...

Google is like a whining adulterous whore you can`t rely on... and for me that means:
put the bitch on the street and don`t give her the atention that she doesn`t deserve....

brassmonkey · 08-10-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It simply is not possible for any thread on GFY to ever actually stay on subject. No matter how important something may be for our industry it always comes back to trolling and name calling. It's like a kindergarten around here. lol

its in the name

Robbie · 08-10-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its in the name

yeah, I know...it seems like back when this site first started, it was mostly people who were actually in this business. And we all kinda knew each other. And all kinds of hell raising went on, but in a serious business thread it never did.

Today? It's like every other fucking post is somebody either trying to be "witty" or "shocking". Everybody seems to be screaming "look at me and what an asshole I can be" instead of contributing to the conversation (in serious threads).

Place needs an enema. lol

Paul Markham · 08-11-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Interesting... Hope the people sending out DMCA's to tubes now sent a copy to Google.

that would be common sense, so why are you posting it here?

anexsia · 08-11-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It simply is not possible for any thread on GFY to ever actually stay on subject. No matter how important something may be for our industry it always comes back to trolling and name calling. It's like a kindergarten around here. lol

Pretty much sums it up lol, anyways I hope this new change helps out...but I'll believe it when I see it happen.

It sucks seeing full length/pirate tubes at the top of the search results but it's just something everyone has to live with...curious to see if some of my stuff ranks a little higher without full-length tubes dominating.

19teenporn · 08-11-2012, 01:21 AM

I will gladly donate a few hours everyday to send dmca notices to google for any content producer.

This should help sinking pirate sites in SERPs.

So just reply here if you want my help and i will do it.

gideongallery · 08-11-2012, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Oh and BTW... If they DO do this, it's not because they give a flying fuck about the copyright holders. It's because THEY will be hassled with a lot fewer DMCA requests.

Google is evil.

how do you come to that conclusion

they are giving a monetary intensive to send them MORE DMCA requests.

Paul Markham · 08-11-2012, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

how do you come to that conclusion

they are giving a monetary intensive to send them MORE DMCA requests.

You made sense for once. I think you meant to say incentive though.

DWB · 08-11-2012, 07:23 AM

The differences between youtube and porn tubes are:

1) youtube is not paying people to find and steal videos and upload them.
2) youtube does not play DMCA games. they remove it, not juggle it.

But in terms of DMCA, there is no difference. Both host content they don't own.

adultmobile · 08-11-2012, 08:44 AM

Guys decide what's the main thread about this?

Ok so most reports include froytal (I think is manwin), RK netmedi (nastydollars), bangbros, so lots adult stuff:
http://www.google.com/transparencyre.../?r=last-month

Biggest reported sites are torrent ones, followed by file lockers:
http://www.google.com/transparencyre...s/?r=last-year

I browsed a few next pages in list, found forumophilia after 100th, browser more until 400th with only 5000 urls submitted and no one tube really, I would say tubes are not reported really, only the torrent and file lockers are there and may get a penalty.

Q: What if google does it for real and strongly changes results?

A: Google will lose traffic! And people will migrate to use alternative search engines, ones specialized in torrents or otherwise pirated content, as a starting page.

In fact, google is today the best pirate content search engine. Is enough to write words "torrent" + "name of movie" and google will give all the direct and real links for utorrent to get the files, ranked correctly. This is now better than pirate search engines because does not have fake links and popup adverts, so people use google.

And so if those million's of people using google to find pirate stuff will NO more find it in first page, they will switch to search of bing, yahoo or specific warez search engines, simply, making a fortune of these search engines.

signupdamnit · 08-11-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

In fact, google is today the best pirate content search engine. Is enough to write words "torrent" + "name of movie" and google will give all the direct and real links for utorrent to get the files, ranked correctly. This is now better than pirate search engines because does not have fake links and popup adverts, so people use google.

I don't care about terms like "teen porn torrents" or "milf torrent". I care more about about a bunch of pirate sites showing up in terms like "porn", "free porn", and "teen porn". Even for tubes it would be nice if the legal tubes would start getting more traffic for terms like "teen tube" after some of the bad guys are knocked down in the results after getting hit with a lot of valid DMCA requests.

brassmonkey · 08-11-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

yeah, I know...it seems like back when this site first started, it was mostly people who were actually in this business. And we all kinda knew each other. And all kinds of hell raising went on, but in a serious business thread it never did.

Today? It's like every other fucking post is somebody either trying to be "witty" or "shocking". Everybody seems to be screaming "look at me and what an asshole I can be" instead of contributing to the conversation (in serious threads).

Place needs an enema. lol

yeah it's too bad

helterskelter808 · 08-11-2012, 09:15 AM

I've already made a squillion more in money since they announced this. It is clearly the answer to all problems and I fully expect to see no complaints from anyone about anything after next week.

rowan · 08-11-2012, 09:34 AM

This sounds like a great change for the adult industry, but it gets me wondering - how will they suitably scale penalties? Will a 100k/day site with 100 valid DMCA takedowns be penalised the same as a 10m/day site also with 100 takedowns?

08-10-2012, 10:50 AM	#2
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	I'll believe it when I see it. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Oh and BTW... If they DO do this, it's not because they give a flying fuck about the copyright holders. It's because THEY will be hassled with a lot fewer DMCA requests. Google is evil. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

08-10-2012, 10:52 AM	#4
digitalfantasies Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Caribbean Posts: 2,689	so youtube will get a penalty __________________

08-10-2012, 11:22 AM	#15
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	It's about time. I'm very skeptical that they will actually apply it to porn. I can see them applying it to content related to the MPAA and RIAA but then thumbing their noses at the adult industry. IF this does actually happen and they apply it to us we would all be very smart to start organizing campaigns to help speed along the DMCA requests and to maximize them in order to get these sites off the first page ASAP. We will all make a lot more money once these sites get buried on page 50. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,000	Youtube doesn't want pirated shit on their site, where as tube sites thrive off of it, and they know it. 98% of shit on tube sites was uplaoded by the owner or his/her employees under fake accounts in order to fill it with content. Comparing YouTube to YouPorn, Tube8 or the like is just ridiculous and naive. __________________ [email protected]

08-10-2012, 10:59 AM	#6
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	cough negative seo cough

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Radical Bucks So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: On the Beach Posts: 673	I hope they start with Manwin and anyone who shoots for Manwin.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	It simply is not possible for any thread on GFY to ever actually stay on subject. No matter how important something may be for our industry it always comes back to trolling and name calling. It's like a kindergarten around here. lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-10-2012, 04:18 PM	#33
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,214	I smell nervousness...

08-10-2012, 04:35 PM	#34
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Interesting... Hope the people sending out DMCA's to tubes now sent a copy to Google.

08-11-2012, 01:21 AM	#42
19teenporn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: En la reverendisima concha de tu madre! Posts: 3,034	I will gladly donate a few hours everyday to send dmca notices to google for any content producer. This should help sinking pirate sites in SERPs. So just reply here if you want my help and i will do it.

08-11-2012, 07:23 AM	#45
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	The differences between youtube and porn tubes are: 1) youtube is not paying people to find and steal videos and upload them. 2) youtube does not play DMCA games. they remove it, not juggle it. But in terms of DMCA, there is no difference. Both host content they don't own.

08-11-2012, 08:44 AM	#46
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	Guys decide what's the main thread about this? Ok so most reports include froytal (I think is manwin), RK netmedi (nastydollars), bangbros, so lots adult stuff: http://www.google.com/transparencyre.../?r=last-month Biggest reported sites are torrent ones, followed by file lockers: http://www.google.com/transparencyre...s/?r=last-year I browsed a few next pages in list, found forumophilia after 100th, browser more until 400th with only 5000 urls submitted and no one tube really, I would say tubes are not reported really, only the torrent and file lockers are there and may get a penalty. Q: What if google does it for real and strongly changes results? A: Google will lose traffic! And people will migrate to use alternative search engines, ones specialized in torrents or otherwise pirated content, as a starting page. In fact, google is today the best pirate content search engine. Is enough to write words "torrent" + "name of movie" and google will give all the direct and real links for utorrent to get the files, ranked correctly. This is now better than pirate search engines because does not have fake links and popup adverts, so people use google. And so if those million's of people using google to find pirate stuff will NO more find it in first page, they will switch to search of bing, yahoo or specific warez search engines, simply, making a fortune of these search engines. __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

08-11-2012, 09:15 AM	#49
helterskelter808 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,405	I've already made a squillion more in money since they announced this. It is clearly the answer to all problems and I fully expect to see no complaints from anyone about anything after next week.

08-11-2012, 09:34 AM	#50
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	This sounds like a great change for the adult industry, but it gets me wondering - how will they suitably scale penalties? Will a 100k/day site with 100 valid DMCA takedowns be penalised the same as a 10m/day site also with 100 takedowns?