So, what do the GFY Republicans, Libertarians and Independents think about Ryan?

[baddog]

Without knowing much about Ryan, he seems like McCain's Palin. Brought on to give some personality to the ticket.

Are you Republicans happy with the choice? Did Romney's selection sway you to vote Republican? Did it push you away?

[kazymjir]

Ryan is a good guy. He always give me interesting projects to do.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

He is another scumbag who wants to control YOUR life. These people never stop at anything. Just because someone smiles and wears a nice suit does not mean he is not a hard core gangster. Same as everyone else. Stop imposing your will upon others.

Okay, so we heard from the peanut gallery; anyone else?

[Bill8]

well, he's not libertarian at all.

as the medicare killer, and koch favorite, he's an interesting choice. at least there is no pretense of compassionate conservatism this time, and that's refreshing.

frankly, it looks like an odd choice to me. did romney really need to appeal to the billionaires and the republican base so much? why? was the base faltering?

[directfiesta]

At least, he is NOT a career politician , you know those that are the core of the problem ...

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Only chance Romney had at winning was picking a minority for VP

that wouldn't have worked. not even the american voter is that dumb.

romneys big chance is if the economy falters and gas prices spike. the republicans have to try to crash the economy in the next few months. which is still possible.

I said ryan was an odd choice - in my opinion, romney was an even odder choice. something went wrong in the republican process, when it resulted in romney as the nominee.

but, what's done is done.

[SuckOnThis]

Ryan was the driving force behind attempting to get Bush to privatize social security in 2005, shortly thereafter the market crashed and the economy was thrown into a deep recession. If he would have been successful this country and most likely the world would be in the worse depression its ever seen.

[kane]

I was going to vote for the libertarian candidate before Ryan was picked and still will.

To me Romney only had a very slight chance of winning the election before and now Ryan reduces that chance even more.

Romney didn't really need someone who will fire up the base of the party. The base hates Obama and will likely vote for anyone who is not him. Ryan's big problem is his stance on Medicare. Obama is now going to use that to scare the shit out of seniors in Florida. If Romney doesn't win Florida he has an almost zero chance of winning the election.

[DudeRick]

Paul Ryan is a good man with serious plans for dealing with this country's problems for people who are willing to face the truth. The truth is that America can't continue going into debt a trillion dollars a year. Reasonable people realize that serious spending cuts have to happen and changes have to be made to entitlement programs including social security and medicare if they are going to survive. The Democrats will claim that all we have to do is to "tax the rich", but the truth is that if you take every penny from every person is this country that they have over $250K, (not just income, but everything they own) it would only fund our deficit spending for about 5 months. What are you gonna do then Democrats? You cannot deal with this country's debt problems without serious spending cuts .If you are willing to face the hard facts about the trouble that we are in and what is going to have to be done to prevent America from becoming Greece in just a few short years, then you had better be willing to vote for someone the balls to suggest real reforms! For the record, I am not rich, I am a 50 year old middle class working man who will be affected by the changes to Medicare and Social Security that I know will have to happen.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Paul Ryan is a good man with serious plans for dealing with this country's problems for people who are willing to face the truth. The truth is that America can't continue going into debt a trillion dollars a year. Reasonable people realize that serious spending cuts have to happen and changes have to be made to entitlement programs including social security and medicare if they are going to survive. The Democrats will claim that all we have to do is to "tax the rich", but the truth is that if you take every penny from every person is this country that they have over $250K, (not just income, but everything they own) it would only fund our deficit spending for about 5 months. What are you gonna do then Democrats? You cannot deal with this country's debt problems without serious spending cuts .If you are willing to face the hard facts about the trouble that we are in and what is going to have to be done to prevent America from becoming Greece in just a few short years, then you had better be willing to vote for someone the balls to suggest real reforms! For the record, I am not rich, I am a 50 year old middle class working man who will be affected by the changes to Medicare and Social Security that I know will have to happen.

The Tea Party constituency is obese and getting fatter. The obesity rate among righties is 85%. Do you reactionaries have some kind of eating disorder, or don't you know what food is good for you? How do you expect to solve overspending when you can't even solve your own overeating?

[CyberHustler]

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The Tea Party constituency is obese and getting fatter. The obesity rate among righties is 85%. Do you reactionaries have some kind of eating disorder, or don't you know what food is good for you? How do you expect to solve overspending when you can't even solve your own overeating?

I'm not a member of the Tea party, I'm 6'1" 190 lbs, WTF are you talking about?

[kane]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Paul Ryan is a good man with serious plans for dealing with this country's problems for people who are willing to face the truth. The truth is that America can't continue going into debt a trillion dollars a year. Reasonable people realize that serious spending cuts have to happen and changes have to be made to entitlement programs including social security and medicare if they are going to survive. The Democrats will claim that all we have to do is to "tax the rich", but the truth is that if you take every penny from every person is this country that they have over $250K, (not just income, but everything they own) it would only fund our deficit spending for about 5 months. What are you gonna do then Democrats? You cannot deal with this country's debt problems without serious spending cuts .If you are willing to face the hard facts about the trouble that we are in and what is going to have to be done to prevent America from becoming Greece in just a few short years, then you had better be willing to vote for someone the balls to suggest real reforms! For the record, I am not rich, I am a 50 year old middle class working man who will be affected by the changes to Medicare and Social Security that I know will have to happen.

The problem with the Ryan plan is that it really doesn't cut much from the defense budget. We could cut out defense budge in half and still spend more than the next five countries combined.

While I agree that the nation needs some serious budget cuts, to me any plan that doesn't include a cut in military spending is not a serious, legitimate plan.

[pornguy]

When people learn and realize that people go into Politics to get paid, then and only then will things change.

Politicians should NOT get paid.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem with the Ryan plan is that it really doesn't cut much from the defense budget. We could cut out defense budge in half and still spend more than the next five countries combined.

While I agree that the nation needs some serious budget cuts, to me any plan that doesn't include a cut in military spending is not a serious, legitimate plan.

this is a fair nutshell of the libertarian position.

and I would agree with it completely.

[artwilliams]

A TARP voting, Medicare ending Republican? Florida GOP supporters will sit on their asses in November thereby handing the election to Obama.

[mikesouth]

Ayn Rand would bitch slap that punk then blow smoke in his face

He has spent his entire life on the public payroll, he has voted for every spending bill that came around including TARP, the GM Bailout, the financial bailouts, he has voted to extend the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq he voted to make the patriot act permanent and he voted to allow the government to spy on citizens without a warrant...to name a few.

don't let anyone paint this piece of shit as a Libertarian he is just slightly left of Attila the Hun

It is a damn shame that Obama and Romney are the best this country can do. we deserve the government we get I suppose.

[DTK]

His budget robs from the middle class and gives it to the very rich. Every non-partisan analysis i've seen agrees on this.

[DTK]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Ayn Rand would bitch slap that punk then blow smoke in his face

He has spent his entire life on the public payroll, he has voted for every spending bill that came around including TARP, the GM Bailout, the financial bailouts, he has voted to extend the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq he voted to make the patriot act permanent and he voted to allow the government to spy on citizens without a warrant...to name a few.

don't let anyone paint this piece of shit as a Libertarian he is just slightly left of Attila the Hun

It is a damn shame that Obama and Romney are the best this country can do. we deserve the government we get I suppose.

All this, too.

[DTK]

Here's what David Stockman - Reagan's budget director - had to say about Ryan's "budget" in yesterday's New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/op...dget-plan.html

Titled "Paul Ryans Fairy Tale Budget Plan", Stockman concludes with "In short, Mr. Ryan?s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn?t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation?s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity ? just empty sermons."

Ryan is not a libertarian or economic conservative. He's just another corporate shill.

[acrylix]

Originally Posted by Bill8

something went wrong in the republican process, when it resulted in romney as the nominee.

but, what's done is done.

The whole thing was a sham. I could sit here and dig up links to many eyewitness accounts (including video) of shenanigans and election fraud at major Republican caucuses around the country...but what's the point? Nobody will believe it, and nobody cares. As you said, what's done is done.

Obamney 2012. A win-win for America.

[kane]

Originally Posted by acrylix

The whole thing was a sham. I could sit here and dig up links to many eyewitness accounts (including video) of shenanigans and election fraud at major Republican caucuses around the country...but what's the point? Nobody will believe it, and nobody cares. As you said, what's done is done.

Obamney 2012. A win-win for America.

That picture looks a little bit like Fred Armisen dressed like Obama.

[2MuchMark]

Ryan's not a republican - he's more of a tea party guy. He just cinched the win for the Dems. Sorry, and woo!

[Brujah]

Romney should've picked Rubio. Obama wins 2012.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Paul Ryan is a good man with serious plans for dealing with this country's problems for people who are willing to face the truth. The truth is that America can't continue going into debt a trillion dollars a year. Reasonable people realize that serious spending cuts have to happen and changes have to be made to entitlement programs including social security and medicare if they are going to survive. The Democrats will claim that all we have to do is to "tax the rich", but the truth is that if you take every penny from every person is this country that they have over $250K, (not just income, but everything they own) it would only fund our deficit spending for about 5 months. What are you gonna do then Democrats? You cannot deal with this country's debt problems without serious spending cuts .If you are willing to face the hard facts about the trouble that we are in and what is going to have to be done to prevent America from becoming Greece in just a few short years, then you had better be willing to vote for someone the balls to suggest real reforms! For the record, I am not rich, I am a 50 year old middle class working man who will be affected by the changes to Medicare and Social Security that I know will have to happen.

I am lost as to how Medicare and Soc Sec are entitlement programs. Pretty sure I have been paying into them since 1965/1966.

[BFT3K]

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

At least, he is NOT a career politician , you know those that are the core of the problem ...

That's sarcasm, right?

He's been sucking on the taxpayer tit since his 20's. His family's construction company has gotten (and continues to get) huge government contracts. This guy is a fucking weasel.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Romney should've picked Rubio. Obama wins 2012.

Woo Hoo!!!!!

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by DTK

His budget robs from the middle class and gives it to the very rich. Every non-partisan analysis i've seen agrees on this.

It's true. Fuck Paul Ryan.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

he is just slightly left of Attila the Hun

No. If he was "left", his big tax giveaways would be to people who work for a living, not ones who sit by the pool waiting for the dividend check to arrive.

Ryan gives big tax breaks to the ones who need it the least.

[BFT3K]

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Ayn Rand would bitch slap that punk then blow smoke in his face

And then she'd get lung cancer, and collect Medicare & Social Security like the hypocrite cunt she was.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem with the Ryan plan is that it really doesn't cut much from the defense budget. We could cut out defense budge in half and still spend more than the next five countries combined.

While I agree that the nation needs some serious budget cuts, to me any plan that doesn't include a cut in military spending is not a serious, legitimate plan.

It's true that the Ryan budget doesn't cut the military - Repiglicans never do. But it also keeps shoveling money at Thurston and Lovey - ANOTHER thing America can no longer afford and the GOP will never let go of.

Don't believe these motherfucker Rethugs about wanting a balanced budget or reducing the debt - THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SENT THE DEBT SKYROCKETING! They care about cutting taxes on the top - and eliminating regulations. That's IT.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by baddog

I am lost as to how Medicare and Soc Sec are entitlement programs. Pretty sure I have been paying into them since 1965/1966.

Right. They're "entitlement" programs because WE'RE FUCKING ENTITLED TO THEM!

Cuz we paid for them.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Ayn Rand would bitch slap that punk then blow smoke in his face

He has spent his entire life on the public payroll, he has voted for every spending bill that came around including TARP, the GM Bailout, the financial bailouts, he has voted to extend the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq he voted to make the patriot act permanent and he voted to allow the government to spy on citizens without a warrant...to name a few.

don't let anyone paint this piece of shit as a Libertarian he is just slightly left of Attila the Hun

It is a damn shame that Obama and Romney are the best this country can do. we deserve the government we get I suppose.

the only poster in this thread I read btw.
tips hat
ds

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by **********

Ryan's not a republican - he's more of a tea party guy. He just cinched the win for the Dems. Sorry, and woo!

Have you been tuning in to MSNBC again?

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

What are you gonna do then Democrats? You cannot deal with this country's debt problems without serious spending cuts

Cut the big, juicy Bush tax giveaways to the Romney's and their friends. There's a place to start - they'll be able to get by somehow. Maybe a few less dancing horses?

Skip the next needless invasion and occupation of a foreign nation - that'll help as well.

Cancel those taxpayer subsidies to the oil companies, too, while we're cutting shit.

Do all that shit and see if it reduces the debt.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Meh

Obama and his team will just pin Romney and Ryan as two rich white guys....and that should work because like half of the population receives government goodies and you better believe their ass will be voting...and voting for Obama

Whatta bunch of horseshit. Turn off Limbaugh.

[Theo]

Bad selection from a rather poor pool of options

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by Bill8

the republicans have to try to crash the economy in the next few months. which is still possible.

They'll do everything they can. Those maggots put party before country every time. If they have to keep Americans unemployed to make the President look bad, they have NO problem doing it. Fucking sociopaths.

[BFT3K]

Ryan has been in congress for 13 years now.

In that time he's managed to pass exactly TWO bills.

One pertained to something about arrows (as in bows and arrows), and the other was the renaming of a post office.

Awesome pick!

[ninavain]

geezus guys..Romney was never meant to win in the 1st place..you've been given a fall guy... a paper champion.. but he makes a ton of $$$ for running and losing and you continue to dream that you have a "choice"..lol