Manwin vs ICM Registry and .XXX - GoFuckYourself.com

Connor · 08-16-2012, 02:42 PM

After all the years I spent fighting .XXX, it's kind of fun to be on the sidelines now watching Manwin at work.

This is, without a doubt, my favorite paragraph in some time:

"At the very least, the misrepresentation of support from adult entertainment companies, the generation of fake comments in support of .XXX, the submission of misleadingly edited videos and photos, the non-disclosure that certain celebrity adult entertainment supporters of .XXX were paid by ICM, and the creation of a supposedly independent sponsoring entity [the International Foundation for Online Responsibility ? ed.] that was in fact controlled by ICM, are sufficient allegations to establish improper, anticompetitive conduct? under existing case law, Gutierrez wrote."

http://www.ynot.com/content/118136-m...icm-icann.html

I sooooo hope that Manwin finds a way to pry out of lock up those "letters of support" that we've all heard that ICM sent to ICANN.... I would looovveeeee to see once and for all who sent those.

DamianJ · 08-16-2012, 02:47 PM

Oh wonderful news.

BAKO · 08-16-2012, 02:50 PM

Top notch for sure.

Mr Cheeks · 08-16-2012, 06:29 PM

interesting read. let's see where this whole xxx bullshit ends up..

Connor · 08-16-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Cheeks

interesting read. let's see where this whole xxx bullshit ends up..

Hopefully it ends up with anyone who sold the industry down the river to try and gain favor and power being exposed so they can answer for it.

Sadly though, if I had to guess, I'd guess it ends in a settlement, since most lawsuits usually do.

Nikki_Licks · 08-16-2012, 06:34 PM

This is good news!
And maybe we can find out who is really on the secret board.....;)

Barefootsies · 08-16-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

And maybe we can find out who is really on the secret board.....;)

I do not see where it would matter. Nothing would change. They would still get bought BRO drinks at the next conferences. If anything, the adult industry has reinforced this over the past decade. It has to be one of the most forgiving industries on the planet.

It is nice to see some of the same people getting behind Manwin when they step up and fight for an industry cause, especially when in any other thread they are trolled like a champ and blamed for the demise of the adult online industry.

You gotta love this industry....

Connor · 08-16-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do not see where it would matter. Nothing would change. They would still get bought BRO drinks at the next conferences. If anything, the adult industry has reinforced this over the past decade. It has to be one of the most forgiving industries on the planet.

It is nice to see some of the same people getting behind Manwin when they step up and fight for an industry cause, especially when in any other thread they are trolled like a champ and blamed for the demise of the adult online industry.

You gotta love this industry....

You know, it may be in fact that nobody would care... but I don't care if nobody cares, I still hope those letters are exposed and outed. There's only one game in town in terms of tackling ICM and ICANN and that's Manwin. Seen anyone else do it in court? If you want to debate about them on other issues, you're welcome to do so... but on the .XXX issue, if anything positive is done it will come from them or nobody.

topsiteking · 08-16-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do not see where it would matter. Nothing would change. They would still get bought BRO drinks at the next conferences. If anything, the adult industry has reinforced this over the past decade. It has to be one of the most forgiving industries on the planet.

It is nice to see some of the same people getting behind Manwin when they step up and fight for an industry cause, especially when in any other thread they are trolled like a champ and blamed for the demise of the adult online industry.

You gotta love this industry....

Redrob · 08-16-2012, 06:51 PM

There is still time for anyone to file comments opposing ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn gTLDs as the period for filing comments has been extended to September 26th.

Here is a link to the article discussing the comment period: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announc...10aug12-en.htm

Connor · 08-16-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

There is still time for anyone to file comments opposing ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn gTLDs as the period for filing comments has been extended to September 26th.

Here is a link to the article discussing the comment period: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announc...10aug12-en.htm

The disheartening part of this is... how many comments did we make last time? It was a LOT... and you could count the pro .XXX comments on one hand, and of those, most had financial incentives.

ICANN saw all of our comments, and just DID NOT CARE at the end of the day. There was money to be made and they wanted it.

I guess I'm at a point where I feel a lawsuit is the only way we'll get ICANN to behave, and since there's only one company doing that, I'm watching the lawsuit with great interest.

I'm not saying don't leave comments, but I am saying what I saw from ICANN personally is they could give a rat's ass what anyone says who isn't bringing them money. They are corrupt to the core, like most institutions these days.

Redrob · 08-16-2012, 07:04 PM

I wonder where GAC is standing on the expanded gTLDs considering the trademark issues that have already been brought forward with .XXX sTLD?

Connor · 08-16-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I wonder where GAC is standing on the expanded gTLDs considering the trademark issues that have already been brought forward with .XXX sTLD?

GAC was against .XXX, if I recall correctly... and I seem to recall ICANN told them to get bent and allowed .XXX anyway. So I'm not sure what power GAC has at the end of the day. I believe that if ICANN wants the money, they'll take it -- UNLESS there are LEGAL reasons why they have to behave.

And notice in that judge's comment, he seems convinced ICANN behaved badly and there's reason to investigate possible anti-trust violations. If I were ICANN and worried about anti-trust allegations, not sure I'd want to give the same company control over all the adult TLDs. That might not look too good. ;)

Redrob · 08-16-2012, 07:14 PM

I am available tomorrow if you want to give me a call. ;)

Connor · 08-16-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I am available tomorrow if you want to give me a call. ;)

Yup, sounds good.

tony286 · 08-16-2012, 07:17 PM

When was the last time a court case involving adult actually when to court and got a verdict. Besides the scat guy.

Connor · 08-16-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

When was the last time a court case involving adult actually when to court and got a verdict. Besides the scat guy.

Well if you just mean ANY case involving adult content, I'm guessing quite a few. We don't hear about all the smaller ones, and most cases aren't consequential for the whole industry -- just for the people involved.

I don't know of any recent ones of significance.

If I were Lawley and ICM on THIS one, I'd be looking for a way to buy myself out of this case. Not sure if he agrees with me, we'll see.

Connor · 08-16-2012, 08:06 PM

Oops, changing post cause responded to the wrong thread. lol

u-Bob · 08-17-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

There is still time for anyone to file comments opposing ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn gTLDs as the period for filing comments has been extended to September 26th.

Here is a link to the article discussing the comment period: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announc...10aug12-en.htm

Notice how they've changed the comment process.

You used to be able to just send an email. Now you have to register at their site first. Result: a more time intensive commenting processes that results in fewer comments.

Connor · 08-17-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Notice how they've changed the comment process.

You used to be able to just send an email. Now you have to register at their site first. Result: a more time intensive commenting processes that results in fewer comments.

If I thought that they cared about comments, registering would be fine because it would make it harder some someone to send in 1000 comments appearing to be from different people.

But... I don't think they care either way.

Rochard · 08-17-2012, 08:12 AM

Not only would I like to know who made these comments, but also who stood to gain from them financially.

LAJ · 08-17-2012, 08:14 AM

Yeah, plenty of shit goes to verdict. It's just not all posted about.

Whether this goes to verdict or not... I think those support letters being released would provide us with a LOT of clarity.

stefanBO · 08-17-2012, 08:25 AM

Fantastic news, whether you believe in adding more TLDs or not, ICM and ICANN are crooked and they deserve to be taken down.

czarina · 08-17-2012, 08:33 AM

if someone can win it, is Manwin. They have the money and the power to fight it.
Go Manwin!

pornguy · 08-17-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Yeah, plenty of shit goes to verdict. It's just not all posted about.

Whether this goes to verdict or not... I think those support letters being released would provide us with a LOT of clarity.

Yep it will be clear who did it. And then...

NOTHING!

DWB · 08-17-2012, 08:57 AM

ICM should have played ball and given Manwin all those free domains they demanded.

Stewart Lawley, bow before Fabian and kiss the ring. Or be destroyed.

DWB · 08-17-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Yep it will be clear who did it.

And then... NOTHING!

Sad, but true.

Quentin · 08-17-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

There is still time for anyone to file comments opposing ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn gTLDs as the period for filing comments has been extended to September 26th.

Here is a link to the article discussing the comment period: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announc...10aug12-en.htm

Commenting is great and all, but IMO the most effective way to forestall ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn would be to file an objection under one or more of the four grounds for objection that are delineated in the gTLD Applicant Guidebook. Filing a formal objection effectively forces ICANN to answer to your complaints; in comments, ICANN may or may not address your complaints at all.

IMO, for most people who object to the ICM's applications, the two strongest candidates among the four possible grounds for objection are the "limited public interest" and "community" objections.

The bad news, of course, is that filing such an objection costs money, you have to pay separately for each type of objection that you file, and the fees are not insubstantial.

If anybody is interested, there's a lot more detail about all of this in this post from last summer.

LAJ · 08-17-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Yep it will be clear who did it. And then...

NOTHING!

Well... whether "nothing" happens or not... it's at least important to know who the rats are in this biz with proof.

Black All Through · 08-17-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

This is good news!
And maybe we can find out who is really on the secret board.....;)

I thought that Xbiz and them jokers over at the ASACP were in on it?

baddog · 08-17-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Notice how they've changed the comment process.

You used to be able to just send an email. Now you have to register at their site first. Result: a more time intensive commenting processes that results in fewer comments.

Perhaps it is to cut down on the fake comments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

ICM should have played ball and given Manwin all those free domains they demanded.

Stewart Lawley, bow before Fabian and kiss the ring. Or be destroyed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black All Through

I thought that Xbiz and them jokers over at the ASACP were in on it?

There are those on GFY that would like you to think that; does not make it true.

Paul Markham · 08-17-2012, 10:23 AM

Manwin. Online porn's protector.

My irony meter just went off the scale.

08-16-2012, 02:42 PM	#1
Connor Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,294	Manwin vs ICM Registry and .XXX After all the years I spent fighting .XXX, it's kind of fun to be on the sidelines now watching Manwin at work. This is, without a doubt, my favorite paragraph in some time: "At the very least, the misrepresentation of support from adult entertainment companies, the generation of fake comments in support of .XXX, the submission of misleadingly edited videos and photos, the non-disclosure that certain celebrity adult entertainment supporters of .XXX were paid by ICM, and the creation of a supposedly independent sponsoring entity [the International Foundation for Online Responsibility ? ed.] that was in fact controlled by ICM, are sufficient allegations to establish improper, anticompetitive conduct? under existing case law, Gutierrez wrote." http://www.ynot.com/content/118136-m...icm-icann.html I sooooo hope that Manwin finds a way to pry out of lock up those "letters of support" that we've all heard that ICM sent to ICANN.... I would looovveeeee to see once and for all who sent those. __________________ YNOT v5 IS NOW LIVE! \| SEEN YNOT MAIL YET?

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DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	Oh wonderful news.

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Mr Cheeks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 901	interesting read. let's see where this whole xxx bullshit ends up..

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	There is still time for anyone to file comments opposing ICM's application for .sex, .adult and .porn gTLDs as the period for filing comments has been extended to September 26th. Here is a link to the article discussing the comment period: http://www.icann.org/en/news/announc...10aug12-en.htm

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I wonder where GAC is standing on the expanded gTLDs considering the trademark issues that have already been brought forward with .XXX sTLD?

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I am available tomorrow if you want to give me a call. ;)

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	When was the last time a court case involving adult actually when to court and got a verdict. Besides the scat guy.

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LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Yeah, plenty of shit goes to verdict. It's just not all posted about. Whether this goes to verdict or not... I think those support letters being released would provide us with a LOT of clarity. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

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