Whole Network Penalised, Please Help!

[maccsta]

Google seems to have penalised all my sites overnight. I?ve gotten the notice in webmaster tools ?Google Webmaster Tools notice of detected unnatural links to?? for all my sites.

I have 2 Google webmaster tools accounts to list all my sites. Looking at traffic they all seem to have suffered a penalty.

Sites are spread over 5 hosts and lots of different ips. I haven't done any linking for several months.

Got no idea where to start with this mess, any ideas?






Full notice in WM tools here:

Dear site owner or webmaster of ,

We've detected that some of your site's pages may be using techniques that are outside Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you've made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google's search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely,

Google Search Quality Team

[Fat Panda]

sounds like you got what you deserved....blackhat

[lucas131]

yeah old late caught blackhat is still blackhat ...

[AllAboutCams]

dont trade links or buy them

[CyberHustler]

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Fat targets.

[maccsta]

Not used any blackhat techniques whatsoever. Not bought links either. Yes traded links but not for several months now.

The only problem I can see is that all my sites are interlinked loosely with each other, that's the only connection I can see.

[helterskelter808]

Fun fact: every single person in prison is innocent.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by maccsta

Not used any blackhat techniques whatsoever. Not bought links either. Yes traded links but not for several months now.

The only problem I can see is that all my sites are interlinked loosely with each other, that's the only connection I can see.

that is why i have like 10 templates and 10 ways of making traffic, and another tons of ways to do seo and another tons of ways to link whatever ... you are working with google, if all your traffic depends on google, things like that happenned. google is changing algo and terms, so if you have one network build on one style, you may loose everything one day. remember that tgp scripts huge takedown? tons of people was without traffic from hour to hour, just because they did all the way the same ... things that were ok months ago may be now useless or harm ... try other things next time, that may help to keep at least some of your parts alive

[weewilly]

My guess without knowing any details is that you have at 1 set of links that are common to the sites. That you have only links pointing to the front page and no deeper links. That you had decent link velocity and then stopped building links. That the links you have our directory and social bookmarks or of only 1 or 2 types.
Anchor text is a big one now also. No more than 35% of links pointing to a page should be same text. That you lack the generic links like Click here or cool site.
I would hazard a guess that its link text as that is the most common error in link building a year or so ago

[Freaky_Akula]

"Sites are spread over 5 hosts and lots of different ips." But you are using the same GW accounts!

[AllAboutCams]

i wounder if if google penalizes sites for outgoing links

[signupdamnit]

There was a recent panda update in the last few days. It may be that or it could possibly be the dreaded Penguin update which Google believes will shake up SEO (read major updates). Many of the things common in our industry such as link trades, traffic trades and mobile redirects to third parties are considered poor practices by Google. We've only been lucky that up to now Google hasn't cracked down. I think it's just a matter of time.

All you can do is make changes and either submit a consideration request or wait it out. From experience after making changes using the natural method it takes up to three months to return to your old spots and even then you're still more vulnerable to being hit again.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

"Sites are spread over 5 hosts and lots of different ips." But you are using the same GW accounts!

I noticed that too

[Yo Adrian]

You might have too many exact match anchors in links coming from low value pages.. that's hit a lot of people lately.

[BaldBishop]

The consequences of using Google Webmaster Tools.

[Why]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I noticed that too

Just goes to reenforce that age old fact that SEO hosting is useless.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I noticed that too

It takes a lot to hide from Google. Many people think they are okay but they aren't and it's just a matter of time. You need to make sure the accounts aren't linked in GWT, Whois, IP, hosts, any one page which lists all your sites, and your ad server. And if you want to be very paranoid you need to make sure there isn't a way for Google to track your multiple GWT accounts using cookies or things like IP address associations.

If hiding is your plan then you had better do it well and not half ass or one of these days you'll be crying.

[freecartoonporn]

buy a premium membership at sites which shows incoming links to your site with anchor text, create a list of sites linking to your site., and file reconsideration request.,

saying you tried contacting them but havent heard back. and then pray

[baddog]

Originally Posted by maccsta

The only problem I can see is that all my sites are interlinked loosely with each other, that's the only connection I can see.

Define "loosely." Are they A-B-C, A-B-C-D or just two way? Having multiple IPs will not help if your linking structure sucks.

Originally Posted by BaldBishop

The consequences of using Google Webmaster Tools.

What's that, being told you were penalized instead of finding it on your own? I highly doubt the reason he was caught is because he has GWT.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

There was a recent panda update in the last few days. It may be that or it could possibly be the dreaded Penguin update which Google believes will shake up SEO (read major updates). Many of the things common in our industry such as link trades, traffic trades and mobile redirects to third parties are considered poor practices by Google. We've only been lucky that up to now Google hasn't cracked down. I think it's just a matter of time.

All you can do is make changes and either submit a consideration request or wait it out. From experience after making changes using the natural method it takes up to three months to return to your old spots and even then you're still more vulnerable to being hit again.

QFT, excellent points!

Google is just trying to stay one step ahead of everyone, it's a cat-and-mouse game and traffic is the cheese.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BaldBishop

The consequences of using Google Webmaster Tools.

[TheSquealer]

No need to over think things... Panda, webmaster tools... yada yada yada.

People also report you, people also spam links to your sites to make those pages tank for the phrases they rank for.

Class C ips are a myth and unnecessary. It wasn't even a myth that started with SEO... it started with PPC when AdWords made their major changes and everyone woke up years ago to 1000s of keywords saying "increase bid to $10.00 for this keyword...." and people started scheming on how to get around this by creating mini sites instead of single page landing pages/with irrelevant keywords, obscuring ownership, making them look more legit etc..

You can't hide your pages and their linking relationships from a search engine that does nothing but map out pages and linking relationships. Class C IP's are 100% irrelevant and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for you.

You know the problem.... spam links. Either you did it yourself and you're being an asshole, or someone did it to you. All this pontificating by others is pointless. This is why you need a diverse network, diverse traffic, diverse methods, build big, link slow.

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by baddog

Define "loosely." Are they A-B-C, A-B-C-D or just two way? Having multiple IPs will not help if your linking structure sucks.

Roughly ABCDE in a loop, so E links back to A. Then A will link to the next group of ABCDE.

I used this method years ago and it worked, but obviously times change. I shouldn't really interlink my own sites.

[maccsta]

Notices came on the 7th September in wm tools

[rogueteens]

its just part of the wider plan to have every search bring up page one results full of links to dailymotion.

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

buy a premium membership at sites which shows incoming links to your site with anchor text, create a list of sites linking to your site., and file reconsideration request.,

saying you tried contacting them but havent heard back. and then pray

Thanks. So you are saying kill all my trades and submit the list of sites linking in with the reconsideration request?

[oppoten]

I think it will happen to everyone who doesn't have evidence of "organic" linking (social signals).

[baddog]

Originally Posted by maccsta

Roughly ABCDE in a loop, so E links back to A. Then A will link to the next group of ABCDE.

I used this method years ago and it worked, but obviously times change. I shouldn't really interlink my own sites.

That could be an issue. Do you have money sites and feeders or all they all feeding someone else?

[Yo Adrian]

Since WMT notified you about unnatural links you will most likely need to build new, high quality and very natural looking links in order to begin getting your ranks back. And if you have control over unnatural links you should remove them. These would include obvious link trades, link buys and links that all use the same exact anchor text. After this your best bet is to contact Google and let them know that you are changing your ways and have made a concerted effort to change your sites to meet their guidelines.

[WiredGuy]

Reconsideration requests do work, it does take about 30-90 days to notice, but it does. So definitely change your links up and if it seems legit, tell Google that.
Hope they reverse it. I got one of mine reversed after about 60 days.
WG

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by maccsta

Not used any blackhat techniques whatsoever. Not bought links either. Yes traded links but not for several months now.

The only problem I can see is that all my sites are interlinked loosely with each other, that's the only connection I can see.

that might be the problem

[MrCain]

Start new sites and don't use GWT, Adsense or Google Analytics on them. Keep updating your old, penalized sites as usual and buy high quality links to them. Ignore Pagerank. Focus on steady growth and stealth.

[DamageX]

Interlinked sites + same GWT accounts = assfucking

[u-Bob]

that!

Originally Posted by BaldBishop

The consequences of using Google Webmaster Tools.

true.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You need to make sure the accounts aren't linked in GWT, Whois, IP, hosts, any one page which lists all your sites, and your ad server. And if you want to be very paranoid you need to make sure there isn't a way for Google to track your multiple GWT accounts using cookies or things like IP address associations.

If hiding is your plan then you had better do it well and not half ass or one of these days you'll be crying.

true.

Originally Posted by DamageX

Interlinked sites + same GWT accounts = assfucking

true.

[robwod]

If there's one thing that has been a constant over the 15+ years I've been in business online, it's that your site(s) are only as strong as their content, and only as good as the sites you associate with (and the sites they associate with).

When the focus is on relevance, and unique original content, including relevant links, you have a whole less to worry about.

One thing is for sure, there's no shortage of experts on GFY these days.

Good luck getting things fixed up and back to normal.

[bluebook18]

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by baddog

That could be an issue. Do you have money sites and feeders or all they all feeding someone else?

I've have used feeders to my money sites including sites in the network and freehosts.

I'm going to remove all interlinking in my network and those freehost links to start with.

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by MrCain

Start new sites and don't use GWT, Adsense or Google Analytics on them. Keep updating your old, penalized sites as usual and buy high quality links to them. Ignore Pagerank. Focus on steady growth and stealth.

Is GWT really the issue? Google can easily use whois data, it knows who owns what site and can make the connection.

Is there any real point in updating these penalized sites? A new network is probably the best call right now.

[maccsta]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Reconsideration requests do work, it does take about 30-90 days to notice, but it does. So definitely change your links up and if it seems legit, tell Google that.
Hope they reverse it. I got one of mine reversed after about 60 days.
WG

What evidence did you submit with your reconsideration? I've got 70+ sites that have been affected.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by maccsta

Is GWT really the issue? Google can easily use whois data, it knows who owns what site and can make the connection.

Is there any real point in updating these penalized sites? A new network is probably the best call right now.

use fake whois data that is different on each site, and also spread some around to different registrars and hosts, the goal is to try to look as natural as possible

[maccsta]

I think re-inclusion requests are a bad idea, because it involves a manual review. I can't imagine porn sites get much love.

I'm going to remove the interlinking between my sites and concentrate on a new network. New registar, hosting etc Maybe avoid Google analytics and wm tools.
Reply With Quote

[baddog]

Originally Posted by maccsta

Is GWT really the issue?

No. I have an authority site that utilizes GWT, I rank for anything [relevant] that I want.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by d-null

use fake whois data that is different on each site, and also spread some around to different registrars and hosts, the goal is to try to look as natural as possible

IMO the best way to look natural is not to hide anything.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

IMO the best way to look natural is not to hide anything.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

IMO the best way to look natural is not to hide anything.

That's naïve at best.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by DamageX

That's naïve at best.

No it isnt.