Originally Posted by mineistaken

Earning 250k$ a year in US you can drive brand new ferrari and do not do any serious damage to your life style. So yeah its pretty rich. I can not imagine how could anyone spend 500K/year, thats definitely wealthy/rich zone.

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Earning 250k$ a year in US you can drive brand new ferrari and do not do any serious damage to your life style. So yeah its pretty rich. I can not imagine how could anyone spend 500K/year, thats definitely wealthy/rich zone.

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Earning 250k$ a year in US you can drive brand new ferrari and do not do any serious damage to your life style.

Originally Posted by Robbie

WHAT???

A new Ferrari "California" model is $239,000.00 at the dealership here in Vegas.
http://www.penskewynnferrari.com/det...d-9040622.html

I was paying $1200 a month payments when I bought my 2007 corvette. It was around $70,000

So if I multiply those payments by 3 that would be a $3600 car payment per month. And THEN you have to get full coverage insurance. OUCH!

No...you could not earn $250,000 a year and buy a Ferrari and no do serious damage to your lifestyle.

Unless you lived in a rented singlewide trailer and didn't have any kids or a wife or pretty much any other expenses.

Wow. Some of you guys just have never made any money or even realize what it's like to live in the real world.

Originally Posted by Sly

You didn't even include maintenance. :-)

Imagine the maintenance that would be required on a Ferrari when used as a daily driver. Which is what this $250k guy would definitely need to do.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I have no rational argument to make, I'm just here to insult everyone while I work at my day job as a roofing contractor. My porn business died because I haven't updated any of my porn sites since 1999. Surfers expecting updated sites are just like govt leeches wanting welfare.. They think just because I send their joins through a circle jerk of pre-checked cross sales that I somehow should give them updated sites.. Bunch of fucking self entitled dick heads.

I earned that sign up money.. wtf did they do?

Originally Posted by crockett

There I fixed your mindless ranting for you..

Originally Posted by Sly

I would like to see a guy driving a brand-new Ferrari every year on a $250k salary.

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Lol not a new ferrari every year. I meant you buy it on lease and drive for the next 5 or 10 years. Like Robbie said lease would be 3600$, so ok add everything to 50K year, ok 60, 70 whatever. Yo ustill have 180k/year to live on. Thats king like.

Somebody posted that average american HOUSEHOLD (not even individual) lives on 44k/year. So thats average living. After you lease a ferrari you still have 5 TIMES more than average household. Its not really even possible to spend that much, you would be buying real estate for investmenet here and there if you wanted to spend that amount.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You know there use to be a department of the government that looked for wasteful spending, it was cut in the last budget

Originally Posted by 12clicks

moron, someone making $250k a year is paying about 75k in taxes. now he has 175k to spend.
as stated above, unless you live in a trailer or something similar, your lifestyle would have to change.
your 50k a year outlook is not correct

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahahaha, don't project chump.
you're one of life's losers looking to get a pound of flesh from your betters.

when I was poor like you are, I never worried about what other people had or earned. I worried about what I had and earned. odd how you're still you but I've moved on.
you're trash.
you always will be.
thats the difference between success and failure.

Originally Posted by crockett

The difference between being a chump & being 12clicks is the chump knows when he is being trolled and 12clicks doesn't.

Originally Posted by mineistaken

fool, even if thats 175k after taxes after leasing that ferrari you still have more money than 2 average households. I ma not saying that you have to buy ferrari, I am saying taht you can easily afford it and still have more money than 2 average households. Just a perspective to see what is 250k/year.

Originally Posted by crockett

Seems funny you worry about guys making over $250k but not about people whom make $30-50k. That big building you were showing off a month or two back that you bought for your business to grow in.. How many of the people whom work for in that new building, make over $250k?

Now of course I don't know your business, but I'd be willing to wager a hunch that your average employee that works for your company, isn't making over $50k a year, much less $250k. These guys working for you are probably pretty hard workers or at the very least dependable and allow your corporation to function and compete on the world market.

Now these workers of yours, most likely pay a higher tax rate and live on much lower wage than these people you are so worried about. Are you honestly trying to say that people making 250k a year couldn't afford to pay the same tax percentage as your own workers?

The workers that make it possible for your company to produce it's products?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It's class warfare to ask the rich to pay what they paid 12 years ago, but not class warfare to talk about cutting welfare benefits. Aint that a peach.

Originally Posted by Robbie

How about just cut spending and bring our troops home and quit fighting wars everywhere when nobody has attacked us.

End the drug war. Stop pork barrel spending.

The govt. is spending 10.6 BILLION dollars per day. And borrowing almost 4 BILLION of that every damn day.

How can you justify such a thing?

We are not at war with anybody. Our country hasn't been invaded since the War of 1812. WE do the invading since then.

What is raising taxes on the wealthiest people by 4 or 5 % going to do? Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.

Not only that...but ALL of those wealthiest people (including Warren Hypocrite Buffet) make the majority of their money on Capital Gains. So sure...go ahead and raise the income tax rate. They still won't pay one thin dime more.

The whole premise is stupid and is designed for the Obama campaign to get a populist vote from people who just can't stand that somebody else has it better than them. It's class warfare plain and simple.

Cut the spending. How can anybody in this thread possibly justify 10.6 BILLION dollars a day in spending??? You can't. And none of you ever address it. You just stay on the Democrat talking points. And those against taxes stay on the Republican talking points. It's all deception.

The Feds are spending more money than I can even wrap my head around.

Isn't Romney supposed to be "filthy" rich? What's he worth..a couple hundred million dollars?
Well the Federal govt. is spending 6.85 million dollars PER MINUTE. Wrap your heads around that.

So in 29 minutes the federal govt. spends the same amount of Romney's entire wealth.

And Romney is the "filthy" rich one who didn't really "earn" his money? lol

NO! It's not rich people who are the problem. The feds are the filthiest and the richest.

When I was a little kid in the 60's and a teen in the 70's, my generation was taught to NEVER trust govt.
But it seems that the next generation just LOVES them some government. Sad.

I'd like some freedom
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/.

Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL, great comments.

What Minte doesn't understand is that he didn't build his business. His business was built on the work of his employees.

Originally Posted by Robbie

WHAT???

A new Ferrari "California" model is $239,000.00 at the dealership here in Vegas.
http://www.penskewynnferrari.com/det...d-9040622.html

I was paying $1200 a month payments when I bought my 2007 corvette. It was around $70,000

So if I multiply those payments by 3 that would be a $3600 car payment per month. And THEN you have to get full coverage insurance. OUCH!

No...you could not earn $250,000 a year and buy a Ferrari and no do serious damage to your lifestyle.

Unless you lived in a rented singlewide trailer and didn't have any kids or a wife or pretty much any other expenses.

Wow. Some of you guys just have never made any money or even realize what it's like to live in the real world.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its class warfare to ask your betters to pay something that 47% of you don't pay.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I stopped reading after this.

you're clueless.

there are billions of your kind on earth. very few mintes. With out the mintes of the world, you'd be busy picking thru your own shit for your next meal.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

The minte & 12clicks "good cop, bad cop" routine at work. It is a thing of beauty.

The rest of you should be in awe.

Originally Posted by GrantMercury

A flat tax doesn't make sense at all.

Originally Posted by papill0n

minte - a rich delusional fucktard so out of touch with reality his biggest drama his is 600 page mercedes manual - seriously - what a fuckin tool

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

You dumbasses are missing out on all that free foodstamp money by making more than 1200 bucks a month. Suckers. You could be pocketing a cool 200 bucks a month if you just cut back your hours. Thats how you game the system, not with your fancy millionaire tax loopholes and offshore .. thingies. Once we put a stop to that.. we achieve... dead poor people.

Originally Posted by crockett

Seems funny you worry about guys making over $250k but not about people whom make $30-50k. That big building you were showing off a month or two back that you bought for your business to grow in.. How many of the people whom work for in that new building, make over $250k?

Now of course I don't know your business, but I'd be willing to wager a hunch that your average employee that works for your company, isn't making over $50k a year, much less $250k. These guys working for you are probably pretty hard workers or at the very least dependable and allow your corporation to function and compete on the world market.

Now these workers of yours, most likely pay a higher tax rate and live on much lower wage than these people you are so worried about. Are you honestly trying to say that people making 250k a year couldn't afford to pay the same tax percentage as your own workers?

The workers that make it possible for your company to produce it's products?

Originally Posted by papill0n

minte - a rich delusional fucktard so out of touch with reality his biggest drama his is 600 page mercedes manual - seriously - what a fuckin tool

Originally Posted by Minte

Ben, do you have tourettes syndrome? You come across as a complete pathetic idiot.

You have no idea what it takes to run a company. That is the reason you are poor. I share a little humor about a 600 page manual and you think that's what I do all day. Your comments are so ridiculous that I won't even bother trying to educate you.

You can thank god that the world needs ditchdiggers.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

eventually co-oped business and factories could eliminate the need for people like minte.

Originally Posted by Sly

[sarcasm)
Well, since you didn't *really* build your company, you have free time all day to read 600 page manuals!
[/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Not a coincidence that you can always tell who the employees are and who the employers are based on their position on these issues.

Employees don't building companies.

If that was the case, you could just walk down to the soup kitchen, grab a bunch of stragglers and build the next Microsoft and everyone here would be a billionaire. Thats all it takes apparently.

Originally Posted by tony286

its a combo. steve jobs could of had all the drive in the world if he didnt have great minds to push nothing would happened.

Originally Posted by tony286

its a combo. steve jobs could of had all the drive in the world if he didnt have great minds to push nothing would happened.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Steve Jobs had all the talent in the world, including the ability to lead a company and find great talent. Obviously a business needs employees - that doesn't mean employees make a company happen or make a business successful. I can sweep a floor and we can all argue that I couldn't have done it without the broom, however, I could grab any broom and do an excellent job, because that's who I am. The broom does not deserve 1/2 of the credit. The broom is just a tool and one that is easily replaceable.

Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL, great comments.

What Minte doesn't understand is that he didn't build his business. His business was built on the work of his employees. If it wasn't for the people working for him he wouldn't be in business.

Minte wants us to tax him and his business less and put the bulk of the tax responsibility on the bulk of the people that barely clear $50k a year. Minte thinks if we tax him less he'll be encouraged to hire another person making $50k a year while he makes another $400k off of this new employee's work, which is pointless - Minte will still have money to blow no matter what.

Minte has it backwards. I don't hire and fire people based on tax breaks, but instead on need. If I need to hire two people to complete a task in six months I hire two people; I don't wait until it's going to be beneficial tax wise before hiring people. At the same time, if we double the amount of taxes Minte is paying and lower the taxes that his employees making $50k a year pay, chances are he'll still buy that fancy new car he was planning to buy and still take that vacation and all of his employees will be making more money and spending more money - which in turn generates more tax dollars and more money pumped into the economy. Win win.

Originally Posted by Minte

You are doing way too much uninformed speaking on my behalf. As long as I have known you, you have worked for someone. And I am certain in your mind you were grossly underpaid. The question begs to be asked..

Why didn't you start your own thing? And if you did, why wasn't it successful?

To keep it in perspective, I am not asking anyone to lower my taxes. I stated, I thought,clearly that raising taxes exclusively on people making over $250k annually is wrong. It will be wasted just like most of the money we pay now. If you want to argue that I am wrong, look up what the government pays daily in interest on the $16T debt.

Originally Posted by Minte

The observation I have made over the years is that bleeding heart liberals are always ready and willing to spend someone elses money.

Originally Posted by Minte

You are doing way too much uninformed speaking on my behalf. As long as I have known you, you have worked for someone. And I am certain in your mind you were grossly underpaid. The question begs to be asked..

Why didn't you start your own thing? And if you did, why wasn't it successful?

Originally Posted by tony286

What I dont understand is Minte is this millionaire, super successful businessman.But he comes to hang out on GFY. Makes no sense. I have had more exposure to the working rich than most and they didnt waste time.

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's the way it appears to me too.




No offense against Rochard...but THAT is the big question isn't it?

Since everybody thinks it's so easy to be "rich"...then why don't those same people go out and do it themselves instead of working for a salary?

And back to the REAL topic:
Can ANYBODY on here who is FOR raising taxes on the rich...please explain HOW that is going to help get us out of debt?
If they raise the income tax rate it still will NOT RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH BECAUSE THEY EARN MONEY FROM CAPITAL GAINS.
(by the way...Mitt Romney's tax plan for capital gains is to leave it at 15% for people like him. And for middle class people to lower it to ZERO which would help all of us invested in the stock market and our retirement plans. Obama wants to raise capital gains tax on EVERYONE)

And also....the govt. is SPENDING 10.6 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY.
6.8 MILLION DOLLARS PER MINUTE.

Not put those two thoughts together: The wealthiest will not pay one thin dime more with income tax rates raised because they earn capital gains + the govt. spends more in 29 minutes than Mitt Romney's entire net worth.

And then tell me WHY you would want to raise taxes?

Hell...why are so many people these days sucking up to the federal govt? Jesus! They are all getting rich and funneling money back and you idiots want to give them MORE????