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tony286 · 10-03-2012, 07:29 AM

Too big to fail? Think Pan am.

stillsexy · 10-03-2012, 07:31 AM

boom and bust... soon apple will be the next yahoo

MPGdevil · 10-03-2012, 09:25 AM

iPhone 4: AntennaGate

iPhone 5: ScratchGate + MapGate

iPhone 6: ........... + .................. + .............

Apple anno 2015

ilnjscb · 10-04-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

IDC. Same place that site you lazily copied and pasted your post from got its info. You better tell these sites they are all 'flat wrong': https://www.google.com/#q=68%25+android

That's like boasting about being the world's tallest dwarf.

Total tablet sales in Q2: 25 million. Smartphone sales in the same period: 154 million.

Total iOS sales, for iPad and iPhone combined, in Q2: 43 million. Total Android sales on smartphones alone: 100 million.

If the tablet market increases to a point where other companies seriously start competing with Apple, their market share will be cut down to their core fanboy base, like their other products.

Keep drinking the you-know-what.

What? what are you saying? Dude, comparing iOS smartphones to android has nothing to do with revenue - compare the growth and revenue of tablet vs smartphone market. If you can hold two sets of figures in your head imagine the revenue and chart when the lines will cross. Let me help you: soon.

Tell me how non-iOS tablets are doing? I thought so.

I haven't had any coolaid, or whatever it is, my original post says that Apple will dominate for 10 - 15 years then fail to innovate. If you think that is an endorsement then I'd hate to hear what you think an insult sounds like.

helterskelter808 · 10-04-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What? what are you saying? Dude, comparing iOS smartphones to android has nothing to do with revenue - compare the growth and revenue of tablet vs smartphone market. If you can hold two sets of figures in your head imagine the revenue and chart when the lines will cross. Let me help you: soon.

We're talking about which platform is, and will be, used by most people. Try to keep up.

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Tell me how non-iOS tablets are doing? I thought so.

Figures in the second image, and possibly the first, are for the US. Worldwide figures have iOS slightly higher at 61%. Even if you're too programmed to accept the numbers, the trend is clear.

Apple's policy of trying to ream consumers with inflated prices and substandard products means it will always end up confining its market share to hardcore idiot fanboys.

OneHungLo · 10-04-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

You could probably short the stock right here. They need to develop "the next???" to keep going. Jobs was a fucking genius, and he is gone.

Keep your money out of the stock market

Phoenix · 10-04-2012, 05:05 PM

i see very few ipads here....mostly other tablets
in china

mozadek · 10-04-2012, 05:16 PM

Apple is not too big too fail, it will be interesting to see what event(s) will cause the downfall of Apple.

ilnjscb · 10-04-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

We're talking about which platform is, and will be, used by most people. Try to keep up.

Figures in the second image, and possibly the first, are for the US. Worldwide figures have iOS slightly higher at 61%. Even if you're too programmed to accept the numbers, the trend is clear.

Apple's policy of trying to ream consumers with inflated prices and substandard products means it will always end up confining its market share to hardcore idiot fanboys.

You keep labeling me that - does that help your point? You calling Kindle a tablet - do you even believe that yourself? The one they just released? From over here in the real world, I can assure you that the business community is beginning to integrate the iPad. That will open a huge market for them, as it did for MS 20 years ago (c 1993). They will do very well for a while. Let's look at:

Market Cap
Cash
Profit
Growth

In which of these metrics can you name a me a major player that has exceeded Apple? Or a minor player? You do know that those metrics are important to business - right?

So the largest market cap, with the largest cash on hand, growing sales and profit consistently and rapidly, invents a product which is then copied by others and in some ways optimized for their communities, usually at a much lower GP. In the context of the growth that follows, the many companies that release products in that space manage to make a dent in the inventors market share by catering to their respective niches. How the hell does that take away from the story?

The facts are clear. Apple has competitors. None of them have near the revenue or profit or growth or had the innovation while Jobs was around. As I've said several times, they will not hold that position, but they won't lose it anytime soon.

helterskelter808 · 10-05-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

You keep labeling me that - does that help your point? You calling Kindle a tablet - do you even believe that yourself?

I'm not labeling you anything. I'm talking about Apple customers. And if you think I drew that chart myself and you genuinely don't even know what a Kindle Fire is, why are you even trying to have this discussion?

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From over here in the real world, I can assure you that the business community is beginning to integrate the iPad.

That's funny, because in an earlier post you said: "Business has not opened up to Apple products". Of course, in another post you were also claiming stats that don't happen fit your delusions are "flat wrong". All you are repeating is your opinion, based on zilch, while refusing to even listen to actual facts and reality.

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That will open a huge market for them, as it did for MS 20 years ago (c 1993).

So lemme get this straight. You're at least aware that Microsoft has the business market by the balls, and has for decades, with it's Windows and Office software, but you somehow believe that businesses are now going to flock to Apple? What, so they can watch Youtube and download iTunes at their desks?

If anything other than Android (which you seem to be flatly unable to accept is already the dominant mobile platform) is going to clean up in the business market, it will be Windows, not iOS.

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So the largest market cap, with the largest cash on hand, growing sales and profit consistently and rapidly, invents a product which is then copied by others and in some ways optimized for their communities, usually at a much lower GP. In the context of the growth that follows, the many companies that release products in that space manage to make a dent in the inventors market share by catering to their respective niches. How the hell does that take away from the story?

The facts are clear. Apple has competitors. None of them have near the revenue or profit or growth or had the innovation while Jobs was around. As I've said several times, they will not hold that position, but they won't lose it anytime soon.

Market cap. Market cap. Blah blah blah. See post #8

Within a few years of its inception Apple had gone from zero to hundreds of millions in sales. In 1980, with numerous competing computer systems around, Apple famously had the largest IPO since Ford.

At that time you'd have no doubt been jizzing in your pants about how Apple was going to dominate computing for the next decade or two. And why not, everyone else was. Of course, within a few years they had been wiped out by IBM and Microsoft.

That process is already happening again, hence Apple's desperate lawsuits, which they also resorted to in the 80s while they were spinning down the toilet.

I'm now going to argue with a Scientologist; they're far less programmed and far more open to reason and reality.

ilnjscb · 10-05-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I'm not labeling you anything. I'm talking about Apple customers. And if you think I drew that chart myself and you genuinely don't even know what a Kindle Fire is, why are you even trying to have this discussion?

That's funny, because in an earlier post you said: "Business has not opened up to Apple products". Of course, in another post you were also claiming stats that don't happen fit your delusions are "flat wrong". All you are repeating is your opinion, based on zilch, while refusing to even listen to actual facts and reality.

So lemme get this straight. You're at least aware that Microsoft has the business market by the balls, and has for decades, with it's Windows and Office software, but you somehow believe that businesses are now going to flock to Apple? What, so they can watch Youtube and download iTunes at their desks?

If anything other than Android (which you seem to be flatly unable to accept is already the dominant mobile platform) is going to clean up in the business market, it will be Windows, not iOS.

Market cap. Market cap. Blah blah blah. See post #8

Within a few years of its inception Apple had gone from zero to hundreds of millions in sales. In 1980, with numerous competing computer systems around, Apple famously had the largest IPO since Ford.

At that time you'd have no doubt been jizzing in your pants about how Apple was going to dominate computing for the next decade or two. And why not, everyone else was. Of course, within a few years they had been wiped out by IBM and Microsoft.

That process is already happening again, hence Apple's desperate lawsuits, which they also resorted to in the 80s while they were spinning down the toilet.

I'm now going to argue with a Scientologist; they're far less programmed and far more open to reason and reality.

Your arguments are too eccentric to debate reasonably. You have no knowledge of corporate practice and you make much of syntax when you have no substance. You also seem to imagine that MS "has the corporate market by the balls"; a laughable and antiquated idea. You also keep using the tired "you are an Apple fanboi" attack when I clearly am not. Case closed; this has become pointless. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe and we'll see who is correct down the road.

helterskelter808 · 10-05-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Your arguments are too eccentric to debate reasonably. You have no knowledge of corporate practice and you make much of syntax when you have no substance. You also seem to imagine that MS "has the corporate market by the balls"; a laughable and antiquated idea.

Yeah. Businesses just aren't using Windows and Office any more. They're using... 'something else'. Obviously I wouldn't expect you to say what, exactly, despite your 'knowledge of business'.

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You also keep using the tired "you are an Apple fanboi" attack when I clearly am not.

Actually, I haven't said 'you are an Apple fanboi' even one time, though you transparently are one. In fact I specifically said that I was not referring to you as such, the last time you wrongly claimed I said it.

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Case closed; this has become pointless. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe and we'll see who is correct down the road.

We agree on that much at least.

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