Hiring Models That Refuse To Speak On The Phone? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

SpicyM · 10-07-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Boyfriends that call themselves "managers" often pretend to be the girl, pretend to agree to whatever is asked, and later the girl shows up not knowing what was agreed to.

This is true. I had one model with an annoying boyfriend. Did a few scenes with her and he always wanted to be present in there, behind the scene. He is more excited and involved in the job than her , loves getting his girl on the scene and watching her being fucked by others. He texts and calls me often asking for any video jobs for her. I keep telling them, I would only talk to HER, not her "manager" as I am not interested in him. Doesnt help at all..

SpicyM · 10-07-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelAfterlife

Why aren't you hand writing them letters? Don't you know that's the only polite way to communicate with people? It's a new generation grandpa.

Young girls need the least amount of connection in their communication, because they are afraid and/or shy. You must remember them passing notes in class? You are a little behind on your observations though, no girls calling, less girls texting, more girls using facebook chat.

What would you do if you lived in another country where girls didn't speak English? What could you possibly say to them on the phone that couldn't be made more clear in an email. After living abroad, I prefer never to talk with models on the phone anymore, it takes too much of my time and they are less willing to give a phone number than an email or Facebook address. You are just being stubborn old men, clinging to the past generations technology.

In fact I prefer models who do not speak at all.

So you try to hire serious models for a shoot without talking to them on the phone? Lol.. How do you know they are for real? Do you tell them to come to your office and talk to you personally? Only 1 out of 10 that were interested would be serious, I cant imagine I would do business with them this way.

ilnjscb · 10-07-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Unless you exclusively book well known agency girls a phone call will tell you it is the talent and not some jackass BF/"Manager" doing all her email and text and pretending to be her. This happens all the time at the amateur level.

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I don't care to "chat models up" - I need to know the person I'm emailing back and forth with is ACTUALLY A FEMALE MODEL, and that they can be contacted by phone in an emergency, should either of us have a last-minute issue before a shoot, or when the model is a no-show you can call her to see what's up.

From now on I will go over all details by email, as needed, but when the model asks for my studio location, I will only let them know verbally, via a phone call.

That's my new rule, so No Call = No Shoot, and that's just how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Or a guy, BF wanting a piece of you, you're being set up, she thinks she's in charge, etc.

Girl can't talk on the phone. Can't get the job.

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Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Boyfriends that call themselves "managers" often pretend to be the girl, pretend to agree to whatever is asked, and later the girl shows up not knowing what was agreed to.

Only talking to the female voice, and listening closely to hear reaction to questions, can assist in planning a perfect shoot. Personality is very important - if the girl is a bitch, if she sounds like she is on some drugs that will make her photograph less than perfectly, she needs to be skipped over for a higher quality candidate.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Not only that, I've text and emailed models at length only to find out it was just people trying to get info or who the fuck knows what they were doing but the girl was fake. It happens.

This - like half of new amateur models are pushed into it by their "managers" who then act like the controlling confrontational assholes they are. When you talk on the phone, you can assess both the model's willingness to do business and her character.

AmeliaG · 10-07-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Unless you exclusively book well known agency girls a phone call will tell you it is the talent and not some jackass BF/"Manager" doing all her email and text and pretending to be her. This happens all the time at the amateur level.

I have never booked a girl (or guy) via an agency ever.

Has anyone here actually had some random dude use a plane ticket they thought they were buying for talent? I find it very hard to believe this is a regular issue and one which can only be combated via yakking on the telephone.

ilnjscb · 10-07-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I have never booked a girl (or guy) via an agency ever.

Has anyone here actually had some random dude use a plane ticket they thought they were buying for talent? I find it very hard to believe this is a regular issue and one which can only be combated via yakking on the telephone.

It isn't about the plane - see above posts it is about she has no idea what "she" agreed to. Also, not all talent flies to a location. I agree that flying safer in this regard (because Crush or D'Fwan can't afford another ticket so they don't show up on set unexpectedly) but how can you invest thousands in an enterprise where you have no confidence in the veracity of the principle actor?

JimmyStephans · 10-07-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I have never booked a girl (or guy) via an agency ever.

Has anyone here actually had some random dude use a plane ticket they thought they were buying for talent? I find it very hard to believe this is a regular issue and one which can only be combated via yakking on the telephone.

In the Internet age I have not had a guy use a ticket purchased for a model. After 9/11 and security changes thats hard to do.

But, before the Internet age - when I went to a normal travel agency and purchased the ticket and mailed it to a model I have had the girl, or her and boyfriend, turn the ticket in for cash. Later I insisted that the travel agent (late 80s / early 90s) add "Refund to Purchaser Only" to the bookings.

I have also had a model book a trip for a shoot she never intended to do. Her boyfriend was going to the University of Colorado and she lives in Portland. Booked the shoot, flew to Denver late one evening, we got her checked into the hotel and next morning when we try to call room there was no answer. Eventually got hotel to open the room and she was gone - never slept in the bed. Just a planned ripoff.

Another issue, slightly off topic, is fake photos. These days I insist on up to date photos. In 2009 I twice had girls send older photos and show up weighing much more than expected. So much more that the outfits that had been pre-selected based on her sizes (lies) couldn't be used. In 2010 I had a girl show up that didn't look at all near the photos - she had sent her cousin's and tried to convince me that "everybody says we look like twins". No way did they look related, much less like twins.

In hard economic times, or in drug induced thinking, some girls can be devious as hell and it is a challenge to weed out the real deal (profitable, fun to work with) girls from the money wasting losers.

All the stories of a crazy business that often attracts crazy people.

AmeliaG · 10-07-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

It isn't about the plane - see above posts it is about she has no idea what "she" agreed to. Also, not all talent flies to a location. I agree that flying safer in this regard (because Crush or D'Fwan can't afford another ticket so they don't show up on set unexpectedly) but how can you invest thousands in an enterprise where you have no confidence in the veracity of the principle actor?

It may just be that my situation is different because I am a known quantity i.e. it is unlikely that anyone who fit my shoot criteria would be 100% unfamiliar with me or what I do. I am not seeing indications of what many of the folks in this thread shoot.

I still don't get how you decide to book someone at all, when you know so little about them that you are iffy on their gender. How are you selecting talent and what are your criteria for who makes the grade?

PornoMonster · 10-07-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

So you try to hire serious models for a shoot without talking to them on the phone? Lol.. How do you know they are for real? Do you tell them to come to your office and talk to you personally? Only 1 out of 10 that were interested would be serious, I cant imagine I would do business with them this way.

Exactly..

I am also not going to go back and forth in text on exactly what NUDE is.
Some girls think nude is implied.
Implied Nude
Nude Playboy
Nude Hustler (erotic)
Glam Nude
Art Nude
and I am sure lots more.
Not going to pay several hundred dollars on a flight to find out we had miss communication.
(I don't shoot fuck videos)
So I deal with the girls who think they are real models.... ha
Or yes I will shoot lingerie, get them here, they can be FULLY covered in Lingerie and Oh that pose is to Sexual.
I also tend to judge if I need an early or late flight for the model.
Also use the call to judge if they will show up or not, and burn the ticket.
Many Many factors involved.

To the person about buy tickets that match the ID, I have lots of female ID's want to waste some tickets on some fake Models????
Why do people do it I DO NOT KNOW..

fuzebox · 10-07-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

guessing cause they can't afford a good phone minute plan so they have to text

Uh yeah that's not it.

Major (Tom) · 10-08-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I've noticed a new trend lately - models are no longer willing to speak to you over the phone, at all, even if it's just to confirm a shoot!

Anyone else experiencing this phenomenon, and if so, how do you handle it?

Am I wrong to expect a verbal confirmation in 2012?

Two weeks ago I had a no-show. All shoot details were explained via emails - time, concept, wardrobe, etc. The studio was all set up, but the model never showed up, or called. She never offered a number so I couldn't call her to see what was going on, so I was just screwed.

Of course, even if she had given me a number, I could have called and she could have ignored the call, but still, this lack of verbal communication is getting ridiculous nowadays.

Last week I had a model write me multiple paragraphs about how her schedule was too busy to allow her the time to have a phone conversation, but that I was welcome to text her. So, you have the time to type out your thoughts, but a 2 minute conversation is off the table?!

Any thoughts?

happened to us it's a dude. Dont shoot with them
ds

ilnjscb · 10-08-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

It may just be that my situation is different because I am a known quantity i.e. it is unlikely that anyone who fit my shoot criteria would be 100% unfamiliar with me or what I do. I am not seeing indications of what many of the folks in this thread shoot.

I still don't get how you decide to book someone at all, when you know so little about them that you are iffy on their gender. How are you selecting talent and what are your criteria for who makes the grade?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but IMHO your response appears to say:

"I am famous - no one in my field doesn't know who I am.
Things are different for you unknowns.
I can verify identity and character through text and email, because of my fame. "

Do you know what gender I am? You might assume I'm male (and you'd be correct) but you have no proof. When I contact someone via email or text, I have the same lack of proof that I am corresponding with the person that I believe I am hiring. I'm not sure how being a luminary like yourself changes that.

In pro-am, or ama, you work with unknown and/or newbie models sometimes. In some cases they are so clueless that they wouldn't even know a VIP like yourself. These newbies and unknowns may not have actually decided independently and fully to enter this field - they may have a "manager/BF" or "agent" who is pushing them. These guys may post ads, answer emails, texts, etc. They may agree to shoots, ask for funds, etc, then, when the shoot happens, the models either a. flake (costly) or b. Say they weren't told about or didn't agree to X (costly and risky) or c. Show upon set with "Manager/BF" (drama)

A simple phone call fixes all that. Mitigates risk. Increases productivity. Reduces stress. Maybe fame does all that stuff too, but, as you point out, I wouldn't know.

I also see at least 10 other responses that agree that a call is a good thing. NaughtyRob, Duke, Paul Markham - these are well known folks - hell Paul was on Reddit

. Maybe fame means you don't have to explain yourself. David Bowie will explain fame for us:

AmeliaG · 10-08-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but IMHO your response appears to say:

"I am famous - no one in my field doesn't know who I am.
Things are different for you unknowns.
I can verify identity and character through text and email, because of my fame. "

Do you know what gender I am? You might assume I'm male (and you'd be correct) but you have no proof. When I contact someone via email or text, I have the same lack of proof that I am corresponding with the person that I believe I am hiring. I'm not sure how being a luminary like yourself changes that.

In pro-am, or ama, you work with unknown and/or newbie models sometimes. In some cases they are so clueless that they wouldn't even know a VIP like yourself. These newbies and unknowns may not have actually decided independently and fully to enter this field - they may have a "manager/BF" or "agent" who is pushing them. These guys may post ads, answer emails, texts, etc. They may agree to shoots, ask for funds, etc, then, when the shoot happens, the models either a. flake (costly) or b. Say they weren't told about or didn't agree to X (costly and risky) or c. Show upon set with "Manager/BF" (drama)

A simple phone call fixes all that. Mitigates risk. Increases productivity. Reduces stress. Maybe fame does all that stuff too, but, as you point out, I wouldn't know.

I also see at least 10 other responses that agree that a call is a good thing. NaughtyRob, Duke, Paul Markham - these are well known folks - hell Paul was on Reddit

. Maybe fame means you don't have to explain yourself. David Bowie will explain fame for us:

For goodness sake, no need to get your panties in a bunch. I genuinely do not understand how a phone call can help more than a text or email. I feel like I asked a bunch of questions about how you book that anyone would have this problem and I don't think I've really seen a lot of answers.

My point was that talent would be unlikely to apply to shoot with me, without being familiar with what I shoot. Also, there would be likely to be at least a bit of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon in terms of people known in common. So maybe my experience is different. I have shot an awful lot of people without once worrying that the person applying for a girl shoot was secretly a dude.

Maybe I did not ask clearly enough: How are you booking that the talent is likely to be either trying to trannie trick you or unfamiliar with what you are trying to shoot or both? If someone is seriously trying to scam you, why would they be more honest on the telephone than email?

hony · 10-08-2012, 11:07 PM

Really it is a generational thing. A lot of younger people today have never once had a *business related phone call*. Phone calls are for "chat", not business or organisation therefore.

The way you communicate, organise, arrange, discuss is all via text.

It's going to make todays teens ill-equipped to join the business world of global teleconferences! :-)

epitome · 10-09-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hony

Really it is a generational thing. A lot of younger people today have never once had a *business related phone call*. Phone calls are for "chat", not business or organisation therefore.

The way you communicate, organise, arrange, discuss is all via text.

It's going to make todays teens ill-equipped to join the business world of global teleconferences! :-)

Those same people that hate talking on the phone usually don't think twice about jumping on Skype or ooVoo.

Triple-A · 10-09-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Use different models. You call the shots, it's your shoot.

Yup, I'm just cancelling a small shoot I had planned for next week, 5 new girls I tried to get in, I didn't want a regular face we all use over here in the UK for this small shoot (they always end up being the most stressful to organise).
None would give me their phone number yet they ask loads more questions by mail, which I understand, I have tried to be patient but it's their loss.
I'm paying above average so they can go find another bdsm or spank producer in my line of work.
No time for their bullshit

ilnjscb · 10-09-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

For goodness sake, no need to get your panties in a bunch. I genuinely do not understand how a phone call can help more than a text or email. I feel like I asked a bunch of questions about how you book that anyone would have this problem and I don't think I've really seen a lot of answers.

My point was that talent would be unlikely to apply to shoot with me, without being familiar with what I shoot. Also, there would be likely to be at least a bit of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon in terms of people known in common. So maybe my experience is different. I have shot an awful lot of people without once worrying that the person applying for a girl shoot was secretly a dude.

Maybe I did not ask clearly enough: How are you booking that the talent is likely to be either trying to trannie trick you or unfamiliar with what you are trying to shoot or both? If someone is seriously trying to scam you, why would they be more honest on the telephone than email?

I was trying to inject some humor ................

We are miscommunicating - you are asking about trannies and I am talking about "agents" posing as talent.

I was just ribbing you about the fame thing - it probably does make a difference because agencies might not want to piss you off.

AmeliaG · 10-09-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I was trying to inject some humor ................

We are miscommunicating - you are asking about trannies and I am talking about "agents" posing as talent.

I was just ribbing you about the fame thing - it probably does make a difference because agencies might not want to piss you off.

Ribbing accepted

I've seen a new boyfriend come in and try to renegotiate a deal for someone I've been working with for years (while being totally ignorant of, not only what is standard or average, but also what the deal is). I don't think I've ever had an existing suitcase pimp type email or text me before I ever worked with someone though. I guess I wouldn't know, unless talent seemed totally clueless about our conversations at the shoot. Knock on wood that it doesn't happen.

Best-In-BC · 10-09-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Or a guy, BF wanting a piece of you, you're being set up, she thinks she's in charge, etc.

Girl can't talk on the phone. Can't get the job.

Thats what I was thinking, stay away from shady girls or end up like Johnny Clips

Best-In-BC · 10-09-2012, 11:12 AM

I guess to become like you you would have to loose your nuts and learn to quiver.

xxxjay · 10-09-2012, 12:01 PM

Are you booking them on Twitter or through an agency?

Ross · 10-09-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

It might be more a trend with younger people then exclusive to porn models, like take my 2 daughters monthly phone usage, they will send 5000-10000 text messages and yet only maybe 100 minutes of voice.

Wow.. that is 165-330 text messages daily. I couldn't imagine having to do that, I probably average 10 txt messages per day at the very most these days. That is mind blowing.

ilnjscb · 10-10-2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross

Wow.. that is 165-330 text messages daily. I couldn't imagine having to do that, I probably average 10 txt messages per day at the very most these days. That is mind blowing.

Average Teen Sends, Receives 60 Texts a Day

No wonder the kids are always driving themselves off cliffs and what not.

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