Whats With All The Secrecy In Porn These Days?

[mikesouth]

From http://www.mikesouth.com

I remember not long ago in this biz when everyone knew who was who. AVN for example was owned By Paul Fishbein, who was the front man, and Darren Roberts, Digital Playground by Jewn and Samantha and so on.

They were American Companies, they weren't hiding and they were pretty forthright about things, paid their taxes and so on.

Now days its all about hiding everything, Look at AVN, Look at Manwin and their holdings, it's all a jumble of shell companies out of Cyprus. Everyone knows about Fabian but few people know that Fabian is just the front man, a puppet whose strings are being pulled by others. Those others are hiding their real identities and I don't think that has anything to do with them not wanting to be associated with adult. I think it has a lot more to do with them not wanting people in adult to know what else they are associated with.

You are about to read about some of these guys on this blog, names like Vasilios hahahahahaha and Constantin Luchian, companies like Webzilla and www.incorporatenow.com in places like cyprus, seychelles, and panama.

There's a systematic takeover of this industry happening, and nobody knows who the people behind it are or what their motives are.

But it is all going to start unraveling soon.

[lucas131]

enviousness

[MaDalton]

no american is forced to sell if they dont want to and not everyone who buys companies wants his name spread over all message boards and blogs

porn moved from pornographers to business people who know how to optimize taxes

imho

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

porn moved from pornographers to business people who know how to optimize taxes

That happened decades ago. Old news.

Foreigners aren't magic "business people" with better accountants. lol

I think Mike is correctly pointing out that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Manwin isn't bigger than GM or Apple, etc.
We know EXACTLY who owns all the really big companies in the world.

Manwin obviously isn't Fabian getting a hundred million dollar bank loan by himself in the middle of the worst economy and banking crisis of our lifetimes. There's more to the story. And I think it's a story that a lot of people would be interested to hear.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think Mike is correctly pointing out that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Manwin isn't bigger than GM or Apple, etc.
We know EXACTLY who owns all the really big companies in the world.

that's because they are public companies, they have to disclose that information.

but do you always know everything about their shareholders?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no american is forced to sell if they dont want to and not everyone who buys companies wants his name spread over all message boards and blogs

porn moved from pornographers to business people who know how to optimize taxes

imho

Porn was always ruled by businessmen.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Porn was always ruled by businessmen.

when running a brothel or having sauna clubs with 50 escorts make you a business man - yes

[Paul Markham]

The notion that porn wasn't always ruled by businessmen is wrong. Remember the businessman who took it to the supreme court, the ones who built empires, the ones who became billionaires?

Even shooters had to be businessmen. No one couldn't spend the money we spent on production, wait 6 months to get paid, keep producing in the time waiting and not be able to run a business.

Before anyone could point a camera and put it on a website. Fools were culled very fast.

Today we have no such companies or people. No one has a clue what Manwin is worth or even what they really do beyond their websites. People tell us they do, seen their books, know what they pay for a Tube. All bullshit. It's a shut book.

Same goes for the rest of them.

Whatever it's shrinking before our very eyes.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

when running a brothel or having sauna clubs with 50 escorts make you a business man - yes

Yeah I would say it does.

Just like "car guys" are best to run car companies. People with actual experience in the business they run are usually the best at what they do.

Fabian, for instance...was just a programmer for the adult industry. But he seems to be doing just fine in his role at Manwin. Wasn't like he came over from being the CEO of General Electric or anything.

I think guys like Larry Flynt & Hugh Hefner did just fine for themselves in their day as well.

Look...running a business can be tricky. But it's not brain surgery. If you have reasonably high intelligence and the ability to see situations and shape them to your benefit...you're a good businessman. Add in experience in the field that you are in to that equation and you are a real good business person.

[looky_lou]

Hey. All that fraudulent card banging, cross selling money had to go somewhere.

[mikesouth]

Intresting that I used a name here that few people have ever heard of and it was banned before I used it.

[looky_lou]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Intresting that I used a name here that few people have ever heard of and it was banned before I used it.

Don't mention the BIG BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know better than that.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Intresting that I used a name here that few people have ever heard of and it was banned before I used it.

I've seen it used before by GFY detectives.

Maybe there were legal threats made to GFY over his name being attacked on here by those guys in the past.

I know they backed down recently from Aaron Jacques (aka gideongallery) when he threatened them with legal action from the company he works for and that companies name was instantly banned. And gideongallery is a nobody with no money.

So I would assume that is just AVN covering their asses. They don't want or need to have a legal battle over a stupid message board after all.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah I would say it does.

what i was trying to say was that in the past people were not afraid to use their names cause they were "burned" already anyways. they even made porn a lifestyle.

today you have mainstream people seeing porn simply as investment, but they still want to keep their privacy. mostly because nowadays everyone is so stuck up that even the slightest connection to porn already puts you in danger that your kids have to leave kindergarten or your wife is seen as hooker by the neighbours

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Whatever it's shrinking before our very eyes.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

what i was trying to say was that in the past people were not afraid to use their names cause they were "burned" already anyways. they even made porn a lifestyle.

today you have mainstream people seeing porn simply as investment, but they still want to keep their privacy. mostly because nowadays everyone is so stuck up that even the slightest connection to porn already puts you in danger that your kids have to leave kindergarten or your wife is seen as hooker by the neighbours

Normally I would agree with you but these names are already widely associated with adult and illicit activities.....Just a little foreshadowing

[DWB]

V-a-s-i-l-i-s K-a-i-l-i-s

Funny his name is now banned here, considering he owns GFY (and uploading.com) and all. Who'd a thunk he is making a mint on illegal file sharing and then the same people he is ass fucking PAYS him to advertise here and in his magazine. Priceless.

Seriously, they need to create a new word to define how stupid and desperate pornographers are. "Manwin" would be a good one now that I think about it.

[CT-Content]

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

nowadays everyone is so stuck up that even the slightest connection to porn already puts you in danger that your kids have to leave kindergarten or your wife is seen as hooker by the neighbours

I'm a living witness.

[nickey1952]

The industry needs more people like Mike South to give us the information most of us are too lazy to look into, You ever hear of Woodward Bernstein, without them Nixon would of been hailed as a great President. Thanks Mike..

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

Mike is THAT GUY in our industry.
He's exposed many coverups and people who are constantly trying to harm our business.
I'm not his good friend, but I read his blog when I am looking for
the missing piece of the story.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

Considering most of us send non-stop DMCAs to the pirate sites these bottom feeders own, I'd say it is everyone's business who has skin in the game.

Since you have zero skin in the game, perhaps you should mind your own business. Assuming you have one.

[seeme]

Interesting

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

I am embarrassed for you!

I'm not. I think it's interesting and needs said. Thanks Mike.

.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

Hmmm you show up around the same time as the whole Manwin/APHSS/Mr Marcus thing.

You have 38 posts, primarily in threads about piracy and scumbags where you defend the scumbags

you say you revolutionized amateur content but there is no link to any company and googling ct-content and derivatives comes up with nothing.

So who are you really? why are YOU hiding?

Don't be embarrassed for me, there are still a few people left in this biz who actually care about it and don't want to see it over run with scumbags, ( I am one of them) It is for them that I do what I do.

If you dont like it Go Fuck yourself

[mikesouth]

L-Pink, Tofu, nicky1952

Thanks Guys!

[DWB]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

what i was trying to say was that in the past people were not afraid to use their names cause they were "burned" already anyways. they even made porn a lifestyle.

today you have mainstream people seeing porn simply as investment, but they still want to keep their privacy. mostly because nowadays everyone is so stuck up that even the slightest connection to porn already puts you in danger that your kids have to leave kindergarten or your wife is seen as hooker by the neighbours

Yet he attaches his name publicly to AVN and Uploading.com which hosts stolen material and allegedly child porn. But he doesn't want his name on GFY?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

Join Date: Aug 2012

And you are...who again?

Go fuck yourself. I, for one...appreciate the sleuthing and bell-ringing Mike South does on a daily basis in our industry.

You, on the other hand - are totally insignificant.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

when running a brothel or having sauna clubs with 50 escorts make you a business man - yes

Go try it and see if you can run one without good businesses practices. Brothels pay rent, rates, services before a girl walks in. Girls need managing, customers need to be brought in, kept happy and returning.

Still that wasn't the people I was talking about.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today you have mainstream people seeing porn simply as investment, but they still want to keep their privacy. mostly because nowadays everyone is so stuck up that even the slightest connection to porn already puts you in danger that your kids have to leave kindergarten or your wife is seen as hooker by the neighbours

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Mike South,
Besides being a nosy bastard minding everyone's business, how is this any of your business?
Are you on someones payroll or does your life suck that much?
You remind me a of a little old lady gossiping at the bingo centre!
I am embarrassed for you!

We've revolutionized amateur content!

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

So who are you really? why are YOU hiding?

[johnnyloadproductions]

It's nice to have Mike around, he's the only one I know that isn't shackled from telling the truth.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yet he attaches his name publicly to AVN and Uploading.com which hosts stolen material and allegedly child porn. But he doesn't want his name on GFY?

i have no idea about those specifics. but to be honest - i doubt it makes a difference for my business if i know him or not.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have no idea about those specifics. but to be honest - i doubt it makes a difference for my business if i know him or not.

Welcome to my sig

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Welcome to my sig

lol - i am honored

[Captain Kawaii]

Mike does more for the biz in a positive way than many here - many who seem to be involved in theft and profiting from theft.

I read Mike's blog and promote his content.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Mike does more for the biz in a positive way than many here - many who seem to be involved in theft and profiting from theft.

I read Mike's blog and promote his content.

Yep

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

lol - i am honored

Lucky fucker.

.

[alex.missyouth]

For me it's just common sense not to have your real name on boards and everywhere else. Let alone if you're a bussinessman with millions in your bank account made out of porn.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Lucky fucker.

.

yeah, i still have no idea what exactly qualified me though

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Girls need managing, customers need to be brought in, kept happy and returning.

Just call it what it is, Paul: PIMPIN'.


Pimp C (rest in peace)

[Juicy D. Links]

i bet you Achmed is tied in somehow

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

i bet you Achmed is tied in somehow

Most likely

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Tofu

Just call it what it is, Paul: PIMPIN'.


Pimp C (rest in peace)

At least the pimps have girls. dating sites could take leaf out of their books.

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Mike does more for the biz in a positive way than many here - many who seem to be involved in theft and profiting from theft.

I read Mike's blog and promote his content.

Seriously, I wish I could contribute half of what Mike does to this industry, that's how awesome he is.

[CT-Content]

I find your accusation of me hiding very humorous Mike. Who are the majority of people posting these forums falsifying their claims to be in the industry?

A lot of people prefer not to have their bio published on a public forum strictly to satisfy a nosy bastard like yourself.

I've recently entered the professional photography scene and have become very successful quickly obtaining more direct demand for true, in home amateur content.
My condolences to the content you've had pirated.

Some people, as yourself dislike change, however, I must applaud your passion.. a passion that will cause no legal consequences to the power players in the biz.
I believe I read a post or two concerning Fabian donating funds to Bob (AK) to assist with Bobs stop file lockers venture.
Why would AdultKing accept donations from the alleged biggest pirate on the net?
One way or another you're all fucking crooked!

Happy hunting Mike!

[DWB]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

I've recently entered the professional photography scene and have become very successful quickly obtaining more direct demand for true, in home amateur content.

You mean you have a point and shoot camera and found a way to make a little money making cheap content. Kudos to your new found profession. There is never enough amateur content to be had if it's done correctly.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

I find your accusation of me hiding very humorous Mike. Who are the majority of people posting these forums falsifying their claims to be in the industry?

A lot of people prefer not to have their bio published on a public forum strictly to satisfy a nosy bastard like yourself.

I've recently entered the professional photography scene and have become very successful quickly obtaining more direct demand for true, in home amateur content.
My condolences to the content you've had pirated.

Some people, as yourself dislike change, however, I must applaud your passion.. a passion that will cause no legal consequences to the power players in the biz.
I believe I read a post or two concerning Fabian donating funds to Bob (AK) to assist with Bobs stop file lockers venture.
Why would AdultKing accept donations from the alleged biggest pirate on the net?
One way or another you're all fucking crooked!

Happy hunting Mike!

If it walks like Arse With Class, Talks Like Arse With Class...
The I am the New Helmut Newton bit (sarcasm) tipped me off.
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