Cam Studios -- how do you structure chat host pay so everyone is happy?

[AmeliaG]

As a cam affiliate, I find it easiest to sell privates with chat hosts who appear on SpookyCash sites. So I'd like to put some more SpookyCash talent on one of the big cam sites and drive traffic to those specific girls' cams. I want my talent to be happy and I don't want to end up doing a ton of work for little reward.

So I'm wondering how most folks structure chat host pay. Like what percentage is normal to get from the cam site and what is standard to pay out to the chat hosts?

Do most of the big cam sites pay out both affiliate % and cam studio % to studios which drive traffic?

[TheSquealer]

1) 30% to model
2) They'll never be happy

[Barry-xlovecam]

We pay studios 45% to 50% add to that affiliate commissions for driving your own traffic to our site ( another 20% to 30% additional).

The split between the studios and the models varies but is customary at 50/50 -- some studios pay their models better (a few pay less) it's up to them to decide ...

We protect studios from models re-registering with us as independents for 90 days of their leaving that studio.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We pay studios 45% to 50% add to that affiliate commissions for driving your own traffic to our site ( another 20% to 30% additional).

how? at the top end you are paying 50% plus 30% when a cam studio drives their own traffic - that's 80%, cc processing 10% - leaves u almost nothing. or is the % you pay studios and models calculated after credit card fees are deducted?

[will76]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

As a cam affiliate, I find it easiest to sell privates with chat hosts who appear on SpookyCash sites. So I'd like to put some more SpookyCash talent on one of the big cam sites and drive traffic to those specific girls' cams. I want my talent to be happy and I don't want to end up doing a ton of work for little reward.

So I'm wondering how most folks structure chat host pay. Like what percentage is normal to get from the cam site and what is standard to pay out to the chat hosts?

Do most of the big cam sites pay out both affiliate % and cam studio % to studios which drive traffic?

First rule of cam hosts, you will never make them all happy

[punker barbie]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

As a cam affiliate, I find it easiest to sell privates with chat hosts who appear on SpookyCash sites. So I'd like to put some more SpookyCash talent on one of the big cam sites and drive traffic to those specific girls' cams. I want my talent to be happy and I don't want to end up doing a ton of work for little reward.

So I'm wondering how most folks structure chat host pay. Like what percentage is normal to get from the cam site and what is standard to pay out to the chat hosts?

Do most of the big cam sites pay out both affiliate % and cam studio % to studios which drive traffic?

Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley

[LatinaCrazy]

Most sites pay studios or independent performers between 30 and 50%

Most studios pay the performers between 50 and 60%. We pay work from home performers 80%

You will never make all or even most of the performers happy.

Sites pay for affiliate and pay for the performers as well. Some sites it can add up to 80%. How they do it is volume.

If you are interested contact me, info in sig, maybe we can help each other..

Sorry I guess it is politically correct to say chat host...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Mutt

how? at the top end you are paying 50% plus 30% when a cam studio drives their own traffic - that's 80%, cc processing 10% - leaves u almost nothing. or is the % you pay studios and models calculated after credit card fees are deducted?

We don't pay anywhere near to 10% for our processing -- we process most of our transactions ourselves, with our bank and VISA-NET in Europe.

Also, that 70% to 80% is not the majority of transactions ...

[Vendzilla]

Hi Amelia,
Percentage doesn't mean much if they are spending their time in an empty room. You should let me come by your office and buy you lunch and tell you all about what we can offer!

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hi Amelia,
Percentage doesn't mean much if they are spending their time in an empty room. You should let me come by your office and buy you lunch and tell you all about what we can offer!

I emailed you, but you never wrote back

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I emailed you, but you never wrote back

Resent to your VS email.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I emailed you, but you never wrote back

I never saw the email Amelia, you know I would respond.
[email protected]
[email protected]
Pick a day, I'll be on ICQ all day tomorrow and I'll buy you lunch near your office. Unless you want to come out to Calabasas and check out our set up?

[Vendzilla]

Got your email and replied

[CurrentlySober]

bump for you...

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by punker barbie

Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley

Heya, can you please email me spookycash [at] gothicsluts.com

Monday afternoon?

[Dubya]

Originally Posted by punker barbie

Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley

how much do the faggot guys get?

[adultmobile]

As someone said, what matters most to a model or studio it is the total $$ made per hour and so how many minutes in private per hour, and not really the % paid.
Sites paying 70% with no customers will be tried by models for few days then they will quit and never return. This way you signup 1000 girls in a month and have zero online after a week, a total waste.
Sites paying 20% (some euro sites pay so low) but full of customers doing private, may be very interesting to cam girls. AS they do enough per hour.
This is why most of the big cam sites pay as low as 30%-35% the cam girls, still having thousands of them online - while there are so many empty or failed sites paying 70% or more.
So the ratio models/paying customers is primary, but also consider the price per minute could be a factor. If you give 20% of $1 a minute that's 20 cent a minute is too few even if always in private.

[ArsewithClass]

British cam studios are paying the models a set fee for set hours online, I hear it's extremely low for the hours they do.
I'm hoping that I can get off the ground in our studio with a small set fee, similar in comparison, but giving a small bonus structure to keep the models interested over the later hours of working.

As adultmobile has said, higher rates don't always mean higher pay.. maybe less traffic. It's kind of a suck it & see.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We pay studios 45% to 50% add to that affiliate commissions for driving your own traffic to our site ( another 20% to 30% additional).

The split between the studios and the models varies but is customary at 50/50 -- some studios pay their models better (a few pay less) it's up to them to decide ...

We protect studios from models re-registering with us as independents for 90 days of their leaving that studio.

Can you mail me or icq me please barry

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

British cam studios are paying the models a set fee for set hours online, I hear it's extremely low for the hours they do.
I'm hoping that I can get off the ground in our studio with a small set fee, similar in comparison, but giving a small bonus structure to keep the models interested over the later hours of working.

As adultmobile has said, higher rates don't always mean higher pay.. maybe less traffic. It's kind of a suck it & see.

Shoot me an email and lets chat!

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

British cam studios are paying the models a set fee for set hours online

Really? Can you name one that works like that? I've got loads of work for them if they do. I only have found shit foreign ones that work like that...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Can you mail me or icq me please barry

My ICQ won't add ... 318@@@963@@@617 try to add mine?

[LatinaCrazy]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Really? Can you name one that works like that? I've got loads of work for them if they do. I only have found shit foreign ones that work like that...

Damian, Hit me up on ICQ or drop me an email, I might be able to help you out, as long as you dont think we are the shit foreign ones.

Pay by hour or pay pay shift is a double edged sword... It is great for studios who want to stay in the market where models work many sites and earn a little on each site.

However when you find a model the really converts she will not work by the hour nor could we afford to pay her by the hour.

For chat sites several have tried pay a flat fee, the end result is shit foreign models flood the site. We offer new sites a program for manning he site which involves pay by hour but it requires full time monitoring of the models, foreign or domestic because 1 they get lazy and 2 studios use it as an opportunity to place their lowest converters (Shit Models).

Like I said... Hit me up, maybe we can work something out.

[Barry-xlovecam]

It has been said "if you want a guarantee buy a toaster."

One thing that you fail to understand; if you pay an hourly wage you create an "employee contract." When you create an employee relationship there are statutory employment laws that you must follow or when you get sued you will be shit out of luck.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by LatinaCrazy

Damian, Hit me up on ICQ or drop me an email, I might be able to help you out, as long as you dont think we are the shit foreign ones.

Pay by hour or pay pay shift is a double edged sword... It is great for studios who want to stay in the market where models work many sites and earn a little on each site.

However when you find a model the really converts she will not work by the hour nor could we afford to pay her by the hour.

For chat sites several have tried pay a flat fee, the end result is shit foreign models flood the site. We offer new sites a program for manning he site which involves pay by hour but it requires full time monitoring of the models, foreign or domestic because 1 they get lazy and 2 studios use it as an opportunity to place their lowest converters (Shit Models).

Like I said... Hit me up, maybe we can work something out.

That's the difference in the UK, most of the girls are working for a set fee for 8hr cam shifts and maybe a small percentage ontop

[xNetworx]

The fact that some cam sites pay the same % to the studio as an independent model and forces the studio to be a middle man angers me.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

That's the difference in the UK, most of the girls are working for a set fee for 8hr cam shifts and maybe a small percentage ontop

Can you point me to one studio in the UK that operates like that?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by StripperCash

The fact that some cam sites pay the same % to the studio as an independent model and forces the studio to be a middle man angers me.

Mhhh.. my cam site pay same % to everyone, no matter is studio or independent. However after a model registered via a studio, the same person can not change the payment details without agreement of who registered her first. I don't find cool to pay more a studio and less an independent model; there also also sites who pay different depending on location, for example usa mdols get higher % then russians and so on, but again I not find it cool (see the guy here who referred to "shit foreigner models").
What I hear from many studios, it is that when a model do good money esp. in myfreecams, then such model re-register to mfc from home, basically kicking out the studio (who eventually teach her all etc.), this re-registering to kick the middleman is not permitted in several sites, but there is also who say this is unfair too. In general whatever you do as a cam sites, no one is happy

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Mhhh.. my cam site pay same % to everyone, no matter is studio or independent. However after a model registered via a studio, the same person can not change the payment details without agreement of who registered her first. I don't find cool to pay more a studio and less an independent model; there also also sites who pay different depending on location, for example usa mdols get higher % then russians and so on, but again I not find it cool (see the guy here who referred to "shit foreigner models").
What I hear from many studios, it is that when a model do good money esp. in myfreecams, then such model re-register to mfc from home, basically kicking out the studio (who eventually teach her all etc.), this re-registering to kick the middleman is not permitted in several sites, but there is also who say this is unfair too. In general whatever you do as a cam sites, no one is happy

A studio should be bringing something to the table beyond just signing the chat host up. But it kinda sucks that some sites have the studio's cut taken out of the chat host's percentage. It seems like that could set up an adversarial relationship from go, even though a properly backed and coached chat host should be able to make a lot more, even at a lower %, than one on her own.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

A studio should be bringing something to the table beyond just signing the chat host up. But it kinda sucks that some sites have the studio's cut taken out of the chat host's percentage. It seems like that could set up an adversarial relationship from go, even though a properly backed and coached chat host should be able to make a lot more, even at a lower %, than one on her own.

Different sites have different policies. Our one is that we consider studio only who provide something to the model such as the web cams or even place of work, it can not be a middlemen reseller. In that case, the model can skip him/her later, but in general we warn middlemens of this and they not even register to our site in first place. In case that who register the model at least give camera or pc or pay internet bill to model even if she work from her home, then that qualify as non-middlemen (or middle-gurl), so if the model want re-register to get 100% we ask the studio who bring her if agrees or not, then if not, should be the model to bribe the studio so he agree or whatever fight they can do, is not matter of the site. We made an one page long rules about the various cases of models changing studios or wanting to become independent, as it is a constant drama - also note models can say the studio did not paid them and this is why want to be independent and this could be false and is not easy to check this, and so on.

[x-rate]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

A studio should be bringing something to the table beyond just signing the chat host up. But it kinda sucks that some sites have the studio's cut taken out of the chat host's percentage. It seems like that could set up an adversarial relationship from go, even though a properly backed and coached chat host should be able to make a lot more, even at a lower %, than one on her own.

Well studio do the support, answer questions, do the multiples payments, quality control etc.... It's important to know that if the model isnt making any money the studio is not 'not making money' we are loosing money! So we work to make sure models generate a maximum of minutes. I do agree there's some studio probably just: recruit models, signup, lock them in a room 8h saying: when computer ring you take dildo and stick it in any of your 3 holes.... but I have 8 year of experience in cam studio and you can take a normal girl and make her an online star with some tricks.... but if that normal girl would signup directly to the cam site she will probably gave up after few days....

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by x-rate

Well studio do the support, answer questions, do the multiples payments, quality control etc.... It's important to know that if the model isnt making any money the studio is not 'not making money' we are loosing money! So we work to make sure models generate a maximum of minutes. I do agree there's some studio probably just: recruit models, signup, lock them in a room 8h saying: when computer ring you take dildo and stick it in any of your 3 holes.... but I have 8 year of experience in cam studio and you can take a normal girl and make her an online star with some tricks.... but if that normal girl would signup directly to the cam site she will probably gave up after few days....

When an affiliate webmaster refers another affiliate to SpookyCash, SpookyCash pays a referral percentage, but that comes out of the site's dough; it is not taken off the new webmaster's % of sales. Those joins just cost a little more, but the idea is that there will be more of them.

I entirely agree that a studio which brings something to the table can really blow up a girl's popularity. Except that means the cam site is going to make more revenue from a girl with a studio most times, than a girl who is on her own. Having the cam site functionally charging the chat hosts for coming through a studio just seems like drama waiting for a time to happen.

Hot girls want to believe that the most powerful thing in the world is their hotness, so they are always going to test people around them on this. Making them pay 5% of their income to have a studio make their hotness worthwhile just seems like it is going to make them feel like their hotness is being challenged as not powerful enough on its own.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

A studio should be bringing something to the table beyond just signing the chat host up. But it kinda sucks that some sites have the studio's cut taken out of the chat host's percentage. It seems like that could set up an adversarial relationship from go, even though a properly backed and coached chat host should be able to make a lot more, even at a lower %, than one on her own.

It does... We offer our models the chance to come into a studio with decent lighting & equiptment, a good broadband connection, the equiptment ready to use & not having tech problems, if there is problems, it's dealt with. We deal with cleaning & most of all, the profiles are kept up to date & making money from our work. The model has to do one job, her job

I suppose it's like the choice of going out for a meal or cooking yourself.... the difference is, you would eat out every day if it wasn't for the money & time... working in our studio, the models have all the benefits & only lose a very small fee when working on commissions... Of course, placing the models on a basic as I said a lot of the British studios do, the model knows she is being paid as she would on a shoot. For these positive reasons, I do not think a model would want to go direct through mfc or any other cam site

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

It does... We offer our models the chance to come into a studio with decent lighting & equiptment, a good broadband connection, the equiptment ready to use & not having tech problems, if there is problems, it's dealt with. We deal with cleaning & most of all, the profiles are kept up to date & making money from our work. The model has to do one job, her job

I suppose it's like the choice of going out for a meal or cooking yourself.... the difference is, you would eat out every day if it wasn't for the money & time... working in our studio, the models have all the benefits & only lose a very small fee when working on commissions... Of course, placing the models on a basic as I said a lot of the British studios do, the model knows she is being paid as she would on a shoot. For these positive reasons, I do not think a model would want to go direct through mfc or any other cam site

How do you address it when a model points out that she could go direct? Obviously, I'm a webmaster, so I understand what benefit a studio is bringing, way above and beyond whether the chat host needs to be supplied with a cam/location or has one already. But, in my experience of other areas of the business, that sort of thing is not always easy to communicate to talent, and I like everyone to be happy with a deal, so this is frustrating. And some of the cam studio payout structures look likely to make this sort of thing even more of an issue.

[XXMAM]

Perception is reality. Really sell the girls on how your admin is driving clients to their rooms. Point out how slow many rooms are and let them know that that will be them, if they choose to go it alone.

Also, treat the models how you would want to be treated! Stocked fridge, friendly atmosphere, NO sexual harassment, ect.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Truth -- most cam studios are in lesser developed nations. In the USA, Canada, UK and Western Europe most are Independent Cam Models.

A Cam Studio supplies working facilities and equipment to models. Studios also supply tutoring, mentoring as well as a disciplined working environment, peer competition and support to their "employees."

So, Studios are entitled to their "cut" of their model's earnings, IMHO.


However, if you are in the States, especially California you will have problems with the labor laws. Add structured working hours to offering a place of employment as outlined above creates an employee-employer relationship if the Labor Department determines so. With an Independent Contractor relationship (like a model shoot -- time certain for agreed compensation) you have only minimal responsibilities; like insurance, permits, etc..

When the relationship changes to that of employee-employer you additionally are obligated by law to withhold state and federal income taxes, pay FICA employer contributions, pay unemployment taxes on payroll and any other government mandated expenses.

America is not a tax friendly location for a Cam Studio ...

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Of course, placing the models on a basic as I said a lot of the British studios do,

You've said that 3 times now, and 3 times I've asked you to name one that works like that.

If you want, I will pay you a ref fee %

I think you're just chatting shit. Again. Of course you can prove me wrong by actually naming a UK studio that operates like you suggest.

[XXMAM]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Truth -- most cam studios are in lesser developed nations. In the USA, Canada, UK and Western Europe most are Independent Cam Models.

A Cam Studio supplies working facilities and equipment to models. Studios also supply tutoring, mentoring as well as a disciplined working environment, peer competition and support to their "employees."

So, Studios are entitled to their "cut" of their model's earnings, IMHO.


However, if you are in the States, especially California you will have problems with the labor laws. Add structured working hours to offering a place of employment as outlined above creates an employee-employer relationship if the Labor Department determines so. With an Independent Contractor relationship (like a model shoot -- time certain for agreed compensation) you have only minimal responsibilities; like insurance, permits, etc..

When the relationship changes to that of employee-employer you additionally are obligated by law to withhold state and federal income taxes, pay FICA employer contributions, pay unemployment taxes on payroll and any other government mandated expenses.

America is not a tax friendly location for a Cam Studio ...

Which are the tax friendliest locations for Cam Studios? (in the Americas)
Im planning to open one in January and Im torn between Costa Rica and Colombia.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by XXMAM

Which are the tax friendliest locations for Cam Studios? (in the Americas)
Im planning to open one in January and Im torn between Costa Rica and Colombia.

I have a friend that has cam studios in Columbia -- he uses a Nevis corporation to operate them. Most Latin American studios I come in contact with are in Columbia or Brazil ...

There are political as well as labor law considerations. I would recommend that you consult with a local lawyer in the countries you are considering -- it would be a wise investment.

[LatinaCrazy]

Originally Posted by XXMAM

Which are the tax friendliest locations for Cam Studios? (in the Americas)
Im planning to open one in January and Im torn between Costa Rica and Colombia.

In Colombia the income that you receive from broadcasting is Tax Free if you register with the Ministry Of Foreign Trade. It is considered as Exportation Of Data.

As far as labour concerns in Colombia you will need to hire an accountant to make sure that you treat this correctly, but most agreements with models are treating them as contractors which there are special requirements to meet this qualification.

There is a tax that should be withheld from there pay as well as there are provisions for health and retirement, but A. No one observes them, B. A couple of larger studios like pay every one electronically with Payoneer or something similar so that it is payment recieved by an out side source for the model, which relieves the paying studio of the obligation of health and Pension.

If you you decide on Colombia I will be glad to help you point you in the right direction for a good honest lawyer and accountants..

[XXMAM]

Originally Posted by LatinaCrazy

In Colombia the income that you receive from broadcasting is Tax Free if you register with the Ministry Of Foreign Trade. It is considered as Exportation Of Data.

As far as labour concerns in Colombia you will need to hire an accountant to make sure that you treat this correctly, but most agreements with models are treating them as contractors which there are special requirements to meet this qualification.

There is a tax that should be withheld from there pay as well as there are provisions for health and retirement, but A. No one observes them, B. A couple of larger studios like pay every one electronically with Payoneer or something similar so that it is payment recieved by an out side source for the model, which relieves the paying studio of the obligation of health and Pension.

If you you decide on Colombia I will be glad to help you point you in the right direction for a good honest lawyer and accountants..

Thank you again. I plan to operate 100% legally. I just sent you an email. Thanks again!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

However, if you are in the States, especially California you will have problems with the labor laws.

Yet the oldest longest running web cam company is in Calabasas California. 15 years we have been here. You might have a couple of your facts incorrect.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

How do you address it when a model points out that she could go direct? Obviously, I'm a webmaster, so I understand what benefit a studio is bringing, way above and beyond whether the chat host needs to be supplied with a cam/location or has one already. But, in my experience of other areas of the business, that sort of thing is not always easy to communicate to talent, and I like everyone to be happy with a deal, so this is frustrating. And some of the cam studio payout structures look likely to make this sort of thing even more of an issue.

A good studio will show them the ropes, work with them, make sure they are informed about what works and what doesn't.

Working out a pay structure can be easier than you think. You can base it merely on the performers numbers, how much they earn, how much they perform. There are a few ways you can work out their pay structure, it's up to you. We'll help you with setting that up.

[AmeliaG]

Bumpity bump.

[Django]

nice question

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Mutt

how? at the top end you are paying 50% plus 30% when a cam studio drives their own traffic - that's 80%, cc processing 10% - leaves u almost nothing. or is the % you pay studios and models calculated after credit card fees are deducted?

For the majority of transactions we don't deal with third party processors so I don't pay the high fees that some do. We are big enough not to give a good part of our profit to processors.

All private shows do not earn an affiliate fee or model referral fee -- we have a lot of ''house'' customers over 8 years. (We now are paying 20% on model's customer referrals on all the cams that customer buys -- lifetime -- databased).

We are doing millions a month in revenue now so that volume is a factor in our bottom line also. We have over 6,000 models working every week and over 2,000 log in daily.

That will answer your question?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yet the oldest longest running web cam company is in Calabasas California. 15 years we have been here. You might have a couple of your facts incorrect.

I want no part of being domiciled in California or the United States -- the laws are not porn friendly IMHO.

[thehand]

Old thread

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I want no part of being domiciled in California or the United States -- the laws are not porn friendly IMHO.

No one country in the world got "porn friendly" laws, simply they tolerate it more or less. We're domiciled in The Netherlands but still there in the past few years some banks stopped to work with adult companies (ING bank for ex.), also it was made several laws to make illegal for example bestiality (now de facto legal only in denmark?), and even the famous red light district in Amsterdam it is being challenged. It is NL which banned browser cookies completely for any purpose for example, the governments here can wake up and put illegal all of us at any moment.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

No one country in the world got "porn friendly" laws, simply they tolerate it more or less. We're domiciled in The Netherlands but still there in the past few years some banks stopped to work with adult companies (ING bank for ex.), also it was made several laws to make illegal for example bestiality (now de facto legal only in denmark?), and even the famous red light district in Amsterdam it is being challenged. It is NL which banned browser cookies completely for any purpose for example, the governments here can wake up and put illegal all of us at any moment.

Our broadcasts do not involve bestiality, incest, violent sex, rape, scat or other acts that might be out of sync with the Dutch Laws.

You don't understand the EU privacy directive apparently; cookies are allowed with the user's consent however I have planned a cookieless site with no third party tracking and we will be implementing this in the near future.

Only a few cam companies are still domiciled in the United States the reasons not to be there are obvious.

[LatinCams]

Originally Posted by punker barbie

Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley

Are you accepting Studios yet ?