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Brujah · 10-19-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

And all those states with 2, 3, 4 or 5 electoral votes today will be ignored. Just like Obama and Romney spent no money in campaigning here; they would not waste their money on those states.

A difference that makes no difference, is no difference. If they're ignored with the electoral system already, at the very least it isn't worse if they're still ignored with the popular vote. At least the majority vote is heard. Have you heard of a better approach being presented?

baddog · 10-19-2012, 11:32 PM

I think it has been proven time and time again that "majority rule" is not all it is cracked up to be.

Brujah · 10-19-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I think it has been proven time and time again that "majority rule" is not all it is cracked up to be.

Fascinating, would you opt for something else like a meritocracy or a technocracy or something like that?

Mr Spock · 10-20-2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Fascinating, would you opt for something else like a meritocracy or a technocracy or something like that?

Far better option especially in cases where the majority are illiterate and fucking ignorant too boot.

DudeRick · 10-20-2012, 04:52 AM

You democrats are in denial about whats going on out there.

Minte · 10-20-2012, 05:46 AM

The debates clearly influenced polling and candidate momentum. Obama set himself up poorly with his Libya dodge and he is going to have some explaining to do.

The other interesting spin I see everywhere is that my state is a swing state. We elected a republican US Senator, and a republican governor who just soundly beat back the democrats in his recall election.

DudeRick · 10-20-2012, 07:28 AM

Romney is leading in the polls discussing solutions for jobs, debt and the economy while Obama is talking about binders, Big Bird and playing word games because his record is a failure.

baddog · 10-20-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Fascinating, would you opt for something else like a meritocracy or a technocracy or something like that?

Do you agree that majority rule is not always the best option?

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Romney is leading in the polls discussing solutions for jobs, debt and the economy while Obama is talking about binders, Big Bird and playing word games because his record is a failure.

Depends on the poll you look at

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

Sly · 10-20-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Polls I saw said Romney has the popular vote; Obama the electoral college votes

If that continues to follow through, will the Democrats kick and cry because the electoral vote is not right and popular vote should win? Dammit, nevermind, we aren't talking about Gore.

Young · 10-20-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

A difference that makes no difference, is no difference. If they're ignored with the electoral system already, at the very least it isn't worse if they're still ignored with the popular vote. At least the majority vote is heard. Have you heard of a better approach being presented?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-round_system

BAKO · 10-20-2012, 08:30 AM

NWA bitches

Sly · 10-20-2012, 08:32 AM

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NWA bitches

Young · 10-20-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Romney is leading in the polls discussing solutions for jobs, debt and the economy while Obama is talking about binders, Big Bird and playing word games because his record is a failure.

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/...lection/winner

The general consensus with the bookies is that Obama has a 65% chance of taking this thing.

Put your money where your mouth is.

baddog · 10-20-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

How about everyone takes care of themselves? I do not want to be in a system or under control of the dumb down unwashed masses

Move to Somalia.

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Originally Posted by Sly

If that continues to follow through, will the Democrats kick and cry because the electoral vote is not right and popular vote should win? Dammit, nevermind, we aren't talking about Gore.

Exactly

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Originally Posted by Young

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-round_system

And if we did that Ron Paul, Roseanne Barr, Gary Johnson and the like will still not be contenders by the time we get to round two.

2MuchMark · 10-20-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Did you guys know we spend more on welfare than we do on our military...

Not true.

21.05% spent on the war on terror + 16.85% on Department of Defence.

Only 11% is spent on Unemployment / Welfare.

2MuchMark · 10-20-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

It doesn't matter which one of those puppets wins... all that really matters is that Americans LOST...

It matters. While they may look the same from far enough away, a little digging will reveal plenty of differences. Women's health and abortion, equal pay for women etc, are both areas that they differ greatly on.

Socks · 10-20-2012, 09:12 AM

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Not true.

21.05% spent on the war on terror + 16.85% on Department of Defence.

Only 11% is spent on Unemployment / Welfare.

the 21.05% is social security.

BFT3K · 10-20-2012, 09:39 AM

baddog · 10-20-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I take it you have never had a real job.

Robbie · 10-20-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I've never understood this. My life is just fine.

heh-heh...couldn't resist

Brujah · 10-20-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Do you agree that majority rule is not always the best option?

I'm not sure. Majority rule is probably the most fair, but not always the best. Otherwise, I guess you'd have to decide to be less fair to the masses and start making some decisions for them, in their best interests. With that sometimes evil statement, "for the greater good."

StickyGreen · 10-20-2012, 01:44 PM

The United States is not a "democracy," it's a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

StickyGreen · 10-20-2012, 01:48 PM

"I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands...."

Brujah · 10-20-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

The United States is not a "democracy," it's a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

I think most people get that, you don't have to always play word nazi whenever someone talks about a majority rule. Just like you had to assume we were talking about the United States when we're discussing different systems, you could just assume we're talking about a democracy or even a republic if it makes you feel better.

Robbie · 10-20-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Yeah...that makes total sense. NOT.

Social Security is supposed to be the govt. holding on to YOUR money and giving it back to YOU when you reach a certain age.

It's not meant to be a new tax on everybody that pays for other people. (even though that's the way it's becoming...and people are starting to think like that as you just showed with that stupid cartoon)

StickyGreen · 10-20-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I think most people get that, you don't have to always play word nazi whenever someone talks about a majority rule. Just like you had to assume we were talking about the United States when we're discussing different systems, you could just assume we're talking about a democracy or even a republic if it makes you feel better.

Who says my comments were even directed at you? It's not like I quoted you.

And I would have to disagree with "most people get that," because they don't. The average American will tell you this is a democracy, and even worse they think that's what our military is doing all around the world: "spreading it." lol

GrantMercury · 10-20-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

It doesn't matter which one of those puppets wins... all that really matters is that Americans LOST...

That's what people who don't really want to get involved say. it's easy to say "They're all the same" and go beat off.

They are NOT the same. Their policies differ dramatically (actually, I challenge anyone to say what the fuck Romney's policies really ARE). That bitch has repackaged himself so many times nobody knows who he is.

People lead. Leaders follow. The important stuff is what we do BETWEEN elections. You can't just vote, and leave the country on auto-pilot, and bitch in 4 years that everything sucks. Well, you CAN, but it's stupid.

This country has gone through so many dramatic changes - POSITIVE changes. Because people didn't just complain then go beat off.

Obama 2012.

epitome · 10-20-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

heh-heh...couldn't resist

I have my feet dangling in my pool. Really, my life is just fine (health issues aside).

Brujah · 10-20-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Who says my comments were even directed at you? It's not like I quoted you.

In context of what we were discussing, ie. the popular vote vs electoral college, the popular vote would be a democracy vs the electoral college being a republic. Since we were discussing it in this context, they're mostly the same. Very rarely does the electoral vote not represent the popular vote.

I'm always interested in philosophizing about a better form or a better approach. Not that we'd ever implement or change, but it's still interesting to discuss.

StickyGreen · 10-20-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

That's what people who don't really want to get involved say. it's easy to say "They're all the same" and go beat off.

They are NOT the same. Their policies differ dramatically (actually, I challenge anyone to say what the fuck Romney's policies really ARE). That bitch has repackaged himself so many times nobody knows who he is.

People lead. Leaders follow. The important stuff is what we do BETWEEN elections. You can't just vote, and leave the country on auto-pilot, and bitch in 4 years that everything sucks. Well, you CAN, but it's stupid.

This country has gone through so many dramatic changes - POSITIVE changes. Because people didn't just complain then go beat off.

Obama 2012.

They are exactly the same on the bigger picture things that actually matter, because they are both puppets of the same interests.

Sure they differ on things that seem petty in comparison like tax rates and abortion, etc.

BFT3K · 10-20-2012, 06:54 PM

StickyGreen · 10-20-2012, 07:06 PM

You can't be pres unless you're a shill for them...

BFT3K · 10-20-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You can't be pres unless you're a shill for them...

Sure, but...

http://www.policymic.com/articles/11...e-bush-neocons

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...against-obama/

epitome · 10-20-2012, 07:25 PM

Can we talk about how Romney left his state in such disarray that it has the highest tax burden per resident of any state in this fine nation?

Obama may have a spending problem but Romney isn't the solution ... so now all he has to ride on is his character and social stances and he gets a big F in both areas.

baddog · 10-20-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I'm not sure. Majority rule is probably the most fair, but not always the best. Otherwise, I guess you'd have to decide to be less fair to the masses and start making some decisions for them, in their best interests. With that sometimes evil statement, "for the greater good."

I wonder how civil rights activists feel about it.

epitome · 10-20-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I wonder how civil rights activists feel about it.

Already used to be trampled over and ignored or they wouldn't have to be activists in the first place.

baddog · 10-20-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Already used to be trampled over and ignored or they wouldn't have to be activists in the first place.

By that response, I am not sure that you picked up on the original question.

Robbie · 10-20-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Can we talk about how Romney left his state in such disarray that it has the highest tax burden per resident of any state in this fine nation?

Ever since I was a kid in the 1960's I heard people call it "Tax-a-chusetts"

For as long as I can remember it's always been very liberal and of course with liberalism comes high taxes.

epitome · 10-20-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Ever since I was a kid in the 1960's I heard people call it "Tax-a-chusetts"

For as long as I can remember it's always been very liberal and of course with liberalism comes high taxes.

Sorry, I meant debt. So he just gets a free pass?

epitome · 10-20-2012, 09:33 PM

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By that response, I am not sure that you picked up on the original question.

Nope. Just read what you quoted.

Lace · 10-20-2012, 09:36 PM

Obama is a joke, and Romney is an idiot....What do we have left?

Robbie · 10-20-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lace

Obama is a joke, and Romney is an idiot....What do we have left?

http://garyjohnson2012.com

And I'm voting Libertarian for local and state offices too.

baddog · 10-20-2012, 09:50 PM

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Your idiocy is only surpassed by JohnnyClips.

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Originally Posted by epitome

Nope. Just read what you quoted.

Nothing I can do about that

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Originally Posted by Robbie

http://garyjohnson2012.com

And I'm voting Libertarian for local and state offices too.

State and local is where you need to start before throwing away your vote on the Federal level.

epitome · 10-20-2012, 09:51 PM

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Nothing I can do about that

Me neither. I still haven't been bothered enough to seek context. ;)

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I think it has been proven time and time again that "majority rule" is not all it is cracked up to be.

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	The debates clearly influenced polling and candidate momentum. Obama set himself up poorly with his Libya dodge and he is going to have some explaining to do. The other interesting spin I see everywhere is that my state is a swing state. We elected a republican US Senator, and a republican governor who just soundly beat back the democrats in his recall election.

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DudeRick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tobacco Road Posts: 1,568	Romney is leading in the polls discussing solutions for jobs, debt and the economy while Obama is talking about binders, Big Bird and playing word games because his record is a failure.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	Can we talk about how Romney left his state in such disarray that it has the highest tax burden per resident of any state in this fine nation? Obama may have a spending problem but Romney isn't the solution ... so now all he has to ride on is his character and social stances and he gets a big F in both areas.