Scott McD

Or even worse, if you witnessed the rape of a 12 year old, and didn't report it, what does that make you ??





Few points:

1. If you see someone getting raped, any normal person would either alert someone else, contact the police, or try stop the attack from happening.

2. If he felt "sick", why at no point did he act? Either then or later. Not 50 years later.

3. Why come forward now? Ok it's a major story now, but what's it going to achieve now. Savile is dead. Is this for money? Because it sure as hell doesn't make him look good for not reoprting a rape. Not reporting a rape to a minor.

4. He is "emotionally affected". How about the 12 year old that was raped and nobody helped?

5. I do find it strange overall that out of 300 odd victims or whatever it is just now, that not one person ever said anything to anyone.


I'd jail the cunt for not reporting it to be honest...

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Who was the musician? Gary Glitter or Pete Townshend?

L-Pink

It makes you a weak pussy that allowed a horrible act to take place because you were scared. Scared of physical or financial retaliation. You were serving your own weak self interest.

I really don't see any other answer.

Rochard

Some people just don't want to get involved. Call the cops and before you know this guy knows who you are, is sending you death threats, you have to deal with the press, meetings with attorneys before the trial, and then being a witness at a trial.

Me myself, I would be the fucked to a inch of the end of his life. I've done it before once.

But I can see how people don't want to get involved.

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Spunky

You are just as guilty as the rapist.I would try to stop and kick his ass

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I dont understand how any normal person could stand and watch something like that taking place.

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ottopottomouse

Long time to keep it a secret.

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Rob

EXACTLY! He apparently saw the girl's face while she was being raped. He should get charged with the same crime or at least accessory. Most rational thinking and usually mild mannered people I know would go completely ape shit if that happened in front of them.

And why wait 50 years? What a fucking asshole!

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Rob

This fucker was the one raping a 12 year old and this douchebag didn't do anything about it?!?!?

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he looks a little off

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Scott McD

Because they all want in on the "emotional stress" claims...£££££'s

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L-Pink

Just a "little" ? lol

pornmasta

...any normal person SHOULD either alert...

MaDalton

didnt that happen also in that Sandusky case?

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An accessory to the crime.

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Rob

Somewhat. He didn't physically do anything about it but did report it. Even though his report was buried in a massive coverup.

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Scott McD

I don't believe most would do nothing. Some people with something to hide, maybe. But i can't see how most people could look at a young girl getting raped and do NOTHING.

We aren't talking about someone stealing a DVD from a shop or something, and you turn a blind eye. We are talking about someone's daughter getting raped. If most people really would do nothing, then the world is fucked...

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Rob

I disagree...he did everything wrong. He didn't physically stop it, he didn't report it, and he waited 50 years to report it. Imagine how many innocent children were raped because this fuck head didn't do anything about it.

And only a pussy wouldn't do anything about it. I think this guy had something to gain from being friendly with the rapist (sort of the boss / employee scenario). He probably thought his own career would be ruined if he stopped it or reported it. And that selfish prick deserves to get ass raped by a cactus until he bleeds from his eyes. Or have his nipples stapled to has dick and forced to do situps.

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Didn't you call the cops because you couldn't handle a girl roomate?

halfpint

Oh I know I would do something. I have been in a few sticky situations in South Africa and over here in the UK before, not sexual wise though. One situtaion over here in the UK was when my son was pushed off his bycicle by 3 much older teenagers. Im normally very placid but my reaction suprised me and a lot of other people. I couldent and wouldent stand there and watch something like this happen without doing something.

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helterskelter808

Yep. It says he was a musician, and Savile was working on the UK's top music show, so he probably thought reporting Savile wouldn't do his (the witness's) musical career any good.

L-Pink

ooops

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MaDalton

there's no need to take anything he writes seriously

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Scott McD

To come back to this, would you feel the same if you had a young daughter being raped or about to be raped, and someone who could have stopped it from happening did nothing?

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't...

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I get the mind your own business mentality in some cases, but this was about the life of a child

rogueteens

the more i hear of this case the more i'm reminded of the wild satanic child abuses of the 1980s where hudreds of people were accused and many childdren were taken into care - after the hysteria had blown over, there wasn't a single genuine case to be found!

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Phoenix

so creepy.
id probably be in jail for murder if i was a witness to something like this.

although it is probably likely that if you stopped a 12 year old girl from being raped and accidentally killed the person who was doing it, that you would only really be in custody long enough so you could see a psychiatrist to help you get over the trauma.

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arock10

I personally would try to stop something like that if I witnessed it, but what if they just rape you next?

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serious? if i witnessed a crime like that ... i'd be charged with murder ... that guy would not get away walking ... NO WAY ... a brain spilling hit to the head on SPOT ... serious ... i have no kids, but seeing the innocent lil kids of buddies and girls around makes me smile ... and i'd fucking destroy any bugass doing harm to them!

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helterskelter808

Why would there be claims of it, with hundreds of people, if it didn't happen?

Bill8

And he was almost certainly right.

You guys do know this is how the real world works, right? Those in power routiniely commit crimes and nobody reports them.

Thats a large part of what cost the us economy trillions of dollars in the 2007 crash. The routine coverup of crimes of the powerful.

Raping a girl is an extreme example, but the pressure to cover up and fall in line is very very intense in the upper levels of industry, media, politics, and all fields.

I think most of you claiming you would be so tough wouldn't be. Pounding your chest is easy on the internet.

Bill8

Because a number of people got a lot of money and media attention creating the satanic scare. Because it makes for great content for magazines and TV.

Look it up yourself. This is a well known example of public hysteria that had no basis in fact.

Phoenix

I don't think you know me very well. I would take on someone the size of king kong if they were raping a little girl in front of me.
No chest pounding here, even if i knew i was going to get my ass beat, i would still try to stop it.

Anyone that didn't is not a man.

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georgeyw

Jimmy Savile was on Louis Theroux some time ago and he seemed like a really strange bloke.

Lived with his mum till she died, complete whack job.

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helterskelter808

What's tough about saying you would stop a rape? You must be fucked in the head if you would just walk away and allow it, and not even report it.

I see. So on the one hand, as someone with special knowledge everyone else lacks about "how the real world works", you talk repeatedly about how crimes are routinely covered up by those in power, and yet when it comes to the dismissal of large scale organized child abuse, you happily believe the authorities and accept that nothing is being covered up?

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whats the use of reporting anything unless you got a flux capacitor and can change the past

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Phoenix

So he doesn't do it again.
you know....so the girl can get help...and the attacker can meet nice folks in prison...they all love rape hounds

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Bill8

look it up pal. the satanism hysteria was investigated by police departments around the country and the world, and by the fbi, and none of the investigations found evidence of anything even remotely resembling the organized criminal activity the pro-satanism hysteria folks were claiming.

it's not like information about this is hidden, anybody with curiousity and the will not to be a gullible fuckwad can find out all about the hysteria, it's origins, and the fact that all the hundreds of thousands of dollars of investigations and trials all proved that there was no actual evidence that organized satanaic ritual abuses ever existed.

dont be a fucking chump. do the research.

wikis are only so trustworthy but the links can be followed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse

A copy of one of the first investigative reports by the fbi, some years after the hysteria died down - http://www.balanone.info/lanning.9201.html#Conclusion

Any professional evaluating victims' allegations of "ritual" abuse cannot ignore or routinely dismiss the lack of physical evidence (no bodies or physical evidence left by violent murders); the difficulty in successfully committing a large-scale conspiracy crime (the more people involved in any crime conspiracy, the harder it is to get away with it); and human nature (intragroup conflicts resulting in individual self-serving disclosures are likely to occur in any group involved in organized kidnapping, baby breeding, and human sacrifice). If and when members of a destructive cult commit murders, they are bound to make mistakes, leave evidence, and eventually make admissions in order to brag about their crimes or to reduce their legal liability. The discovery of the murders in Matamoros, Mexico in 1989 and the results of the subsequent investigation are good examples of these dynamics.

Overzealous intervenors must accept the fact that some of their well-intentioned activity is contaminating and damaging the prosecutive potential of the cases where criminal acts did occur. We must all (i.e., the media, churches, therapists, victim advocates, law enforcement, and the general public) ask ourselves if we have created an environment where victims are rewarded, listened to, comforted, and forgiven in direct proportion to the severity of their abuse. Are we encouraging needy or traumatized individuals to tell more and more outrageous tales of their victimization? Are we making up for centuries of denial by now blindly accepting any allegation of child abuse no matter how absurd or unlikely? Are we increasing the likelihood that rebellious, antisocial, or attention-seeking individuals will gravitate toward "satanism" by publicizing it and overreacting to it? The overreaction to the problem can be worse than the problem.

The amount of "ritual" child abuse going on in this country depends on how you define the term. One documented example of what I might call "ritual" child abuse was the horror chronicled in the book A Death in White Bear Lake (Siegal, 1990). The abuse in this case, however, had little to do with anyone's spiritual belief system. There are many children in the United States who, starting early in their lives, are severely psychologically, physically, and sexually traumatized by angry, sadistic parents or other adults. Such abuse, however, is not perpetrated only or primarily by satanists. The statistical odds are that such abusers are members of mainstream religions. If 99.9% of satanists and 0.1% of Christians abuse children as part of their spiritual belief system, that still means that the vast majority of children so abused were abused by Christians.

Until hard evidence is obtained and corroborated, the public should not be frightened into believing that babies are being bred and eaten, that 50,000 missing children are being murdered in human sacrifices, or that satanists are taking over America's day care centers or institutions. No one can prove with absolute certainty that such activity has not occurred. The burden of proof, however, as it would be in a criminal prosecution, is on those who claim that it has occurred. The explanation that the satanists are too organized and law enforcement is too incompetent only goes so far in explaining the lack of evidence. For at least eight years American law enforcement has been aggressively investigating the allegations of victims of ritual abuse. There is little or no evidence for the portion of their allegations that deals with large-scale baby breeding, human sacrifice, and organized satanic conspiracies. Now it is up to mental health professionals, not law enforcement, to explain why victims are alleging things that don't seem to have happened. Professionals in this field must accept the fact that there is still much we do not know about the sexual victimization of children, and that this area desperately needs study and research by rational, objective social scientists.

Bill8

I will never be in that situation in the first place, because I have never cared about climbing up the ladder of the higher echelons of power. I have no career to sacrifice, no interest in power and money, and I think the people that do the kinds of things that people do to become rich and famous are fuckwads.

But, if you think there are a lot of people up there in the high levels of media and money that will throw away their whole future and career to stop a crime by someone rich and famous, I think you do not understand people.

You probably think this kind of thing - raping a young star struck girl or buy - is rare. You need to read the biographies and histories of the rich and powerful - this kind of thing is nowhere near as rare as you think.

Yet - we do not hear of people stopping rapes, or reporting other kinds of crimes - everybody at that level of power and money knows that if you wnat a career in that game, you keep your mouth shut - and if you don't, you pay the price, and the price is noone will ever hire you in that business again.

NewNick

WOW Johnny - nonsense just spills out every time you type.

I thought you were all for a non violent society, but you don't have the balls to protect your fellow citizen from acts of violence.

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helterskelter808

You seem to be severely overreacting about this subject for some reason. Calm down. Let me remind you that you are the one who said:

"Those in power routiniely commit crimes"

"The routine coverup of crimes of the powerful"

"the pressure to cover up and fall in line is very very intense"

All that says is that it's not "Satanists" doing it. Is that why you're so massively butthurt? Are you a Satanist? You don't like your "spiritual beliefs" being implicated?

Who cares if it's "Satanists" [whatever that means] doing it or not? The point is that organized child abuse has almost certainly happened, and involves powerful people in law enforcement and politics, and showbiz. And yet you try to completely write that possibility off, after already saying:

"the pressure to cover up and fall in line is very very intense in the upper levels of industry, media, politics, and all fields"

helterskelter808

I don't remember asking, or giving a single shit, what your interests are.

Pretty sure I actually said the guy probably didn't report Savile because he worried it might affect his career. The only difference is that you think he was "almost certainly right" to watch a 12 year old being raped and do nothing to stop or report it, and I don't believe he was right. And I don't believe most other people think that is right either. You seriously don't understand people, if you think otherwise.

Oh, okay. So lots of powerful people are raping kids, but it's all just covered up. Except when they put on a goat mask to do it, then it's just "hysteria" and made up.

javinder_mn

haven't read through the whole thread so someone has probably made this point already but turning a blind eye to rape/molestation is rife in the catholic church and the scale of cover up is obscene.

*before any hicks get excited, im not muslim and im not inciting religious hatred, i am merely reflecting on knowledge gained through such authoritative works as South Park and Father Ted

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