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Minte · 11-04-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

So, tell me - are you intentionally lying?

You dont sound like a fool, you know that the romney-ryan tax plan has been analyzed to death by experts all over the country and the world, and everyone says it raises taxes. It's just deceptive to claim that it doesn't because the tax increase is called the removal of middle class and small business deductions for mortgage interest and health insurance.

People will still have to pay thousands more in taxes every year. AND, to top it off, it will instantly depress housing prices by another 10-15 percent, which is an additional hidden tax.

See, this is why you will lose - you think the voters respond to threats, and are too stupid to see that a tax increase is a tax increase because it's called a removal of deductions.

The question then is, are you serious? Do you really not know these things, and are therefore a fool (or intentionally ignorant for self-benefit)? Or do you know these things, and are intentionally trying to cover up the planned romney tax increase because you think it will benefit you, or hurt you less than other people?

And, lets say romney is lying about his tax plan, and he really doesn't raise taxes (despite the fact that every business analysis I have read for months says no matter what after the election taxes are going up) - what then? We are still stuck with 30 years of deficit spending and debt.

We borrowed that money, we have to pay it back. It's childish to keep saying, "I'm republican, I don't want to pay back the money I borrowed and I dont think I should have to pay taxes to pay my share.".

All your statements are predicated on the belief that the ecomony will not recover.

Under Obama, CEO's of the largest companies in the US agree with you.

http://jobcreatorsalliance.org/

I will put my faith into people that have done significant things. Not in people that report or teach about significant things.

Relentless · 11-04-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Sounds like you are making the best out of a terrible situation. I hope that things get back to normal for you as quickly as possible.

I do too, but I worry much more about the people lacking the resources and coping skills to deal with the obstacles. It really was quite a storm.

One thing I will say is that Bloomberg, Christie, or Cuomo would be MUCH better choices than either Romney or Obama. I'd have voted Bloomberg before the storm, but Christie and Cuomo have really done a lot to prove themselves in the past week. If they want to get reelected I'd expect 80-90% of the people in their jurisdictions would vote for them regardless of party affiliations. Zero nonsense, surprising efficiency and absolutely no political gamesmanship. I'm almost starting to hope for a large national storm to do the same thing on a federal level.

bhutocracy · 11-04-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

If Obama wins and sets up a higher tax on business like he promises and much higher healthcare costs for their employees like he promises, there will be little incentive for small businesses to grow.

Er.. He's trying to lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 28% and has given many small business tax breaks. Liberals are screaming that he's just a Republican in Democrat's clothes.

I'm looking to invest in the US in the next 12 months (business and property), and honestly, I'm more worried about the money with Romney's plan. With Obama I see another 4 or so years of roughly the same trajectory, glacially slow improvements, nothing great, a marginally better result at the end, but some stability. With Romney I see middle class buying power eroding and reducing demand but lots of speculative opportunities on the market with the tax rates being lowered, especially on cap gains. It might be an ok initial ride but is likely to implode faster with more speculation and less demand in the "real" economy.

The Economist recently endorsed Obama too (somewhat reluctantly).

As a "job creator" I also recognise the jobs I've offshored and that personally, more tax cuts means more speculative trading, not more local jobs.

GrantMercury · 11-04-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The reason it's not 100% is due to the chance of repubs stealing the election.

http://fivethirtyeight.com

The Rethugs don't like this - so they call Nate Silver gay.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10...r-seeming-gay/

Obama 2012.

GrantMercury · 11-04-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Obama is promising to raise taxes on job creators.

Jesus. That "job creator" bullshit again? The real "job creators" are middle class consumers - the engine of our economy. And President Obama has CUT taxes on the middle class. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-class-famil/

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Originally Posted by Minte

Romney is not promising to raise taxes on anyone.

That's exactly the kind of sugary promise Americans love - and then bitch about when it doesn't happen. He has you believing he's going to cut taxes on everyone - AND increase military spending - AND reduce the deficit? By closing loopholes? The ones he won't reveal? Mitt's math wouldn't fool a child.

Obama 2012.

bronco67 · 11-04-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

The Rethugs don't like this - so they call Nate Silver gay.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10...r-seeming-gay/

Obama 2012.

This is exactly why I hate Republicans. They put out statements like this. Being a homo-phobe is one thing, but Dean Chambers is also displaying his 2nd grade intellect.

GrantMercury · 11-04-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

There's not a cunthairs difference between romney and obama, except that obama is promising to tax the rich, and romney is promising to tax the middle class. On everything else they are close to identical.

Wrong. There's a big difference in what each would do with the taxes. Mittens said he wants to increase the size of the military, while Obama wants to put it into education and R&D. There's a big difference on environmental issues. There's a big difference on who they would nominate for the SCOTUS. There's a big difference on social issues. There's a big difference on Medicare and Social Security programs. There's a big difference in personality and temperament - Willard can't even get along with our allies because he's such an unlikable dick.

Forward.

GrantMercury · 11-04-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

This is exactly why I hate Republicans. They put out statements like this. Being a homo-phobe is one thing, but Dean Chambers is also displaying his 2nd grade intellect.

Exactly.

GrantMercury · 11-04-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Way too much FoxNews for you.

The Republicans have no interest in meeting Obama in the middle.

The Republican plan after taking the house in 2010 was to block everything and compromise on nothing. In other words, a stalemate with no regard to the damage that would do to the country. Their concept was that if nothing got done in 2011 and 2012, nobody would notice the inaction of Congress and their guy could win the presidency after everyone blamed Obama. And no, that isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit. It was actually their plan.

"GOP says compromise not on the agenda if they retake the House"
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-on-the-agenda

"John Boehner: 'We will not compromise'"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44311.html

"House Republicans Vow 'No Compromise'"
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...-no-compromise

"GOP: No Compromise If We Retake the House"
http://redgreenandblue.org/2010/10/2...ake-the-house/

And let's not forget the debt ceiling crisis where Republicans blocked it until the 11th hour, causing the US to lose its AAA credit rating. That action by Republicans caused every American who has gotten a loan since then to pay more in interest.

Great links! Thanks. And thanks for rightly pointing out that it's the REPUBLICANS who have flatly refused to work with Obama from day-fucking-one.

Obama 2012.

facialfreak · 11-04-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Most people who are voting for Obama aren't doing so because they love Obama. They're doing it because he's still better than the alternative.

Isn't this usually always the case?

Mr Spock · 11-04-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

And we have had the lowest taxes in the industrialized world for decades - why should business get even lower taxes, and workers get more taxes, when all it has done is caused more debt and fewer, worse paying jobs?

What utter fucking crap!!!!

Mr Spock · 11-04-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Jesus. That "job creator" bullshit again? The real "job creators" are middle class consumers - the engine of our economy.

Obama 2012.

More fucking crap - consumption doesn't create jobs , it widens the trade deficit. The Chinese must love an ignoramus like you

v4 media · 11-05-2012, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

If Obama wins,,good luck for you people that don't have a lot of money tucked away. Businessmen will sit on their hands for the next 4 years. And you all know that the people that are responsible for creating jobs have the cash to last.

Do you?

You've done pretty well over the past 4 years, growing your business etc, spending/borrowing capital, creating jobs. How come?

Do you think under a republican president you'd have done better?

Not an attack post, just curious.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media

You've done pretty well over the past 4 years, growing your business etc, spending/borrowing capital, creating jobs. How come?

Do you think under a republican president you'd have done better?

Not an attack post, just curious.

I had lots of equity in my business. Over the last 4 years I have been able to take advantage of various opportunities because I didn't need to go to the bank to finance them. The caveat is we could've done much more than we did as far as investing into the local economy. Because of the looming potential of new and unpredictable expenses the risk of anything longterm was too high.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

It's not what I am telling you. It's what has happened and will continue to happen. Business has cash to invest. They have no confidence. And they have only dribbled out small amounts of cash,very carefully.

I opened the new plant this year. I could've done it 3 years ago. After the last federal election the democrats lost the house. It was a good sign. If Obama wins, it won't be a good sign. I don't need to beat it to death. Wait and see what happens.

You aren't a businessman. You don't cover payrolls,insurances, benefits and large taxes.
So speaking for what businessmen will do is beyond your scope.

So you opened up a new plant while Obama was in office and knowing that Obama was going to win another term.

And what makes you think I don't own a business? I don't discuss my mainstream businesses here; I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations.

Relentless · 11-05-2012, 08:22 AM

Minte,

I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress.

The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures.

sperbonzo · 11-05-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You are a kid. You have no idea how business works. Obama can blast away all he want's if he is reelected. People that run companies are under no obligation to create more jobs.

I can easily run my companies for years at a loss and survive quite well.
If the government moves to a position that is more antibusiness than it already is, it will be the middle class workers that will lose. Not the owners. Kind of like it's been for the last 4 years.

^^^+1 QFT

(Vote for gary johnson)

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Minte · 11-05-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So you opened up a new plant while Obama was in office and knowing that Obama was going to win another term.

And what makes you think I don't own a business? I don't discuss my mainstream businesses here; I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations.

No one knows the winner until the game is played.

The new plant was great timing for us. The company that was selling is a very large multi-billion dollar organization. Because they were committed to selling the plant we got a great deal on it.

I have known you since the beginning of the internet. I have seen you move to many different jobs. If I assumed incorrectly then I apologize.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Minte,

I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress.

The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures.

I probably am underestimating to a point. I do believe that the economy has got a lid on it due to the uncertainty of the Obama administration. If Romney wins, the honeymoon period should be just enough time to jumpstart things again. The free market system can take care of itself if allowed to do so.

2012 · 11-05-2012, 08:42 AM

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I probably am underestimating to a point. I do believe that the economy has got a lid on it due to the uncertainty of the Obama administration. If Romney wins, the honeymoon period should be just enough time to jumpstart things again. The free market system can take care of itself if allowed to do so.

and if things get worse under romney, then what? also the idea that there is still a 'free market system' is a joke. big business pays big bucks to get laws passed in their favor for a long time now.

spazlabz · 11-05-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I had lots of equity in my business. Over the last 4 years I have been able to take advantage of various opportunities because I didn't need to go to the bank to finance them. The caveat is we could've done much more than we did as far as investing into the local economy. Because of the looming potential of new and unpredictable expenses the risk of anything longterm was too high.

Oh I SOOOOOOOOOOOOO want to dislike you I really do. I have read a ton of your posts and the one thing I know for certain is that you and I are on polar opposites of the political spectrum. The problem I have is that you actually ARE a job creator and ethically I am obligated to respect you for that... not that it matters to anyone other than myself what my opinion is.

Some of the things I would like to see discussed on a national level would be strongly pro-business and pro-social initiatives. It can be done but it would be hard. I would like to see you and business people like you be rewarded for hiring people in the US, providing medical benefits to your employees, rewarded for expanding your businesses here in the US. Basically anything that will allow you to build your business, export products and hire more Americans I want you rewarded for that. If GE can do things in such a way that they end up paying no taxes then so should your business. On your personal wealth, I have no idea what your tax rate is but if it is 13.8% you should be paying more.

On the flip side I think corporations that create jobs in other countries should be taxed HARD... I'll say it, taxed punitively. I hate NAFTA and WTO and back when I was a democrat I was embarrassed that a democrat President agreed to that crap. I believe that it is a fact that a strong middle class, an educated and healthy populace is great for our national economy and people like you who actually do create jobs should be heralded even if you're political views are twisted.

sperbonzo · 11-05-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

and if things get worse under romney, then what? also the idea that there is still a 'free market system' is a joke. big business pays big bucks to get laws passed in their favor for a long time now.

Which is exactly why Government power should be strictly limited so that big business is unable to get those laws and regulations passed that will work only in their favor. If the government is completely unable to enforce these kinds of things, then the lobbying becomes pointless.

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Minte · 11-05-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

and if things get worse under romney, then what? also the idea that there is still a 'free market system' is a joke. big business pays big bucks to get laws passed in their favor for a long time now.

Fortunately, it's small businesses that fuel the economy and employee the most people. I agree that the graft at the top is not going to ever go away.

And you use the word *if* with Romney. With Obama it's not a question. He's already given the answer.

Due · 11-05-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Way too much FoxNews for you.

The Republicans have no interest in meeting Obama in the middle.

The Republican plan after taking the house in 2010 was to block everything and compromise on nothing. In other words, a stalemate with no regard to the damage that would do to the country. Their concept was that if nothing got done in 2011 and 2012, nobody would notice the inaction of Congress and their guy could win the presidency after everyone blamed Obama. And no, that isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit. It was actually their plan.

"GOP says compromise not on the agenda if they retake the House"
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-on-the-agenda

"John Boehner: 'We will not compromise'"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44311.html

"House Republicans Vow 'No Compromise'"
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...-no-compromise

"GOP: No Compromise If We Retake the House"
http://redgreenandblue.org/2010/10/2...ake-the-house/

And let's not forget the debt ceiling crisis where Republicans blocked it until the 11th hour, causing the US to lose its AAA credit rating. That action by Republicans caused every American who has gotten a loan since then to pay more in interest.

I'm not really sure about the interest part, I'm a green card holder and had a SSN for only 1 year when I bought my house = no credit history at all, I closed escrow with a 3.75 apr on a 30 year mortgage, I did not buy "points"... It's been 1 year now since I bought the house
I think that's a extremely good rate

Barefootsies · 11-05-2012, 08:57 AM

A business is going to hire if there is a DEMAND for their products. Tax rates, and all of that other yoke is a bunch of nonsense, and has been debunked by plenty of the rich and millionaires in the past year.

If the economy is strong, and there is demand for their goods, they hire. If not, they hold off until they feel confident in the finances and economic growth. It is really that simple. To think a millionaire or business owner is going to be experiencing growth and not going to expand because darkie is in the white house is asinine. No business owner is going to sit on their thumbs for 4 years just because of some tax policy.

You have to reinvigorate the middle class, and then they will buy your products, and hence you'll have growth. There are a number of ways to do this, none of which is more government hand outs. This is where the focus should be. Driving the engine of commerce. Which is the buying power of the middle class.

Tom_PM · 11-05-2012, 09:03 AM

It's been said on the internet and therefore it is true. Chuck Norris said so.

Barefootsies · 11-05-2012, 09:09 AM

The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed.

We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better.

Tam · 11-05-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Jesus H. Christ...where are you people getting this information!?!? Turn to Fox News and Romney will win by a HUGE margin. Tune to MSNBC and Obama is leading in all States, all 57 of them. These polls are so flip flopped I don't even watch the news anymore. It's for ratings and also to brainwash people into thinking THEIR GUY is going to win.

Just vote and hope your guy wins. For the love of Christ, stop watching or reading these partisan media outlets and thinking what they say is gospel.

I've completely shut my TV down from any network anything, we've been watching movies or listening to music for several days. It's become almost impossible to watch TV otherwise.

We'll turn it back on AFTER the election. There's too much hate and shit for me right now. lol

SuckOnThis · 11-05-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

A business is going to hire if there is a DEMAND for their products. Tax rates, and all of that other yoke is a bunch of nonsense, and has been debunked by plenty of the rich and millionaires in the past year.

Unless you're these guys.......

MaDalton · 11-05-2012, 09:11 AM

i find the idea of my business doing good, rising demand etc and then holding off investments because of whoever is president (who cannot decide much alone anyways as we have learned) weird.

but maybe thats just me.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

No one knows the winner until the game is played.

The new plant was great timing for us. The company that was selling is a very large multi-billion dollar organization. Because they were committed to selling the plant we got a great deal on it.

You are missing my point here. You are saying that businesses won't invest because Obama is in office, while at the same time you are expanding. The concept of a business owner saying "It's a bad time to expand because Obama is in office" is pure bullshit.

Putting Romney in office with his 22% failure rate and 37% approval rate when he left office is not going to stimulate businesses.

Why don't you just tell us the truth - you stand to benefit if a business man like Romney takes office.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Minte,

I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress.

The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures.

I agree. This is not a four or eight year problem. The economy is a ten to fifteen year problem, no matter whom is in office is not going to make much of a difference.

HelmutKohl · 11-05-2012, 09:48 AM

And after seeing what Bush/Ashcroft did to many of adult webmasters, why anybody here would vote for an ultra-conservative religious candidate - just to end up in jail later?

Minte · 11-05-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are missing my point here. You are saying that businesses won't invest because Obama is in office, while at the same time you are expanding. The concept of a business owner saying "It's a bad time to expand because Obama is in office" is pure bullshit.

Putting Romney in office with his 22% failure rate and 37% approval rate when he left office is not going to stimulate businesses.

Why don't you just tell us the truth - you stand to benefit if a business man like Romney takes office.

What I have said numerous times is that businesses haven't expanded to the level of cash that is on hand. And that is because of the attitude Washington currently has towards business.

Do I stand to benefit under a Romney administration? Of course. A large resounding YES.
Keep in mind. If I am able to benefit so will the people that we currently employ and those people that we will hire.

KillerK · 11-05-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

And after seeing what Bush/Ashcroft did to many of adult webmasters, why anybody here would vote for an ultra-conservative religious candidate - just to end up in jail later?

What did bush do?

Do you really think the last 4 years in adult has been good?

Minte · 11-05-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed.

We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better.

Your first post really doesn't merit comments. You read what you select to read and make your opinions from it. It's not the same as living it.

However,this post about the Japanese philosophy does merit comment.

Tomorrow we have an election.

BlackCrayon · 11-05-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Fortunately, it's small businesses that fuel the economy and employee the most people. I agree that the graft at the top is not going to ever go away.

And you use the word *if* with Romney. With Obama it's not a question. He's already given the answer.

i'm sure *some* will do well if romney won, but certainly not the majority. those at the top are always trying to line their pockets more and more while doing all they can to pay out less and less. trickle down doesn't work but how would you know. you don't live it. you may not be at the top but you haven't lived the life of the average worker for a very long time if ever.

Rochard · 11-05-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

What I have said numerous times is that businesses haven't expanded to the level of cash that is on hand. And that is because of the attitude Washington currently has towards business.

Do I stand to benefit under a Romney administration? Of course. A large resounding YES.
Keep in mind. If I am able to benefit so will the people that we currently employ and those people that we will hire.

So you stand to benefit while the middle class gets fucked in the ass. Again.

You sit there and say "I am the one creating jobs" but at the same time the people that work for you are working harder for less.

I have a friend of mine who has worked for the same company for fifteen years. For the past ten years her raises have failed to match the increase in cost of her health insurance. Each year she's making less and less.

Your driving around in exotic sport cars while the people who work for you nearly lost their houses. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem. You want to tax the middle class more and lower your taxes so you can what - afford another exotic car or another exotic vacation while the guy who sweeps your floor just lost his house?

HelmutKohl · 11-05-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

What did bush do?

Do you really think the last 4 years in adult has been good?

Certainly we did not see the level of prosecution seen under Bush/Ashcroft.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So you stand to benefit while the middle class gets fucked in the ass. Again.

You sit there and say "I am the one creating jobs" but at the same time the people that work for you are working harder for less.

I have a friend of mine who has worked for the same company for fifteen years. For the past ten years her raises have failed to match the increase in cost of her health insurance. Each year she's making less and less.

Your driving around in exotic sport cars while the people who work for you nearly lost their houses. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem. You want to tax the middle class more and lower your taxes so you can what - afford another exotic car or another exotic vacation while the guy who sweeps your floor just lost his house?

You have a lot of friends. It seems you also base most of your arguements from things that happen to them. It's a bigger world than the street you live on.

For everyone of your friends that have been beaten down by society I can show you someone that has done well. They went to school. They served the military, then went to school. They followed a path and didn't change direction everytime the wind did.

Your flair for the dramatic is impressive.

No one that works in our organization has lost their home or suffered much at all during this downturn. Every year, we have given raises and bonuses. And we have fired people too. People that have problems getting to work on time. People that tell managers to GFY,people who have not mastered the skills to do even simple work.

When people fail in life, odds are high it's self-inflicted. Choose better friends.

suesheboy · 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

My business has enough cash on hand to double the amount of equipment and employees. I won't invest a thing for at least a year after this election if Obama is reelected. I have heard from him all I need to hear.

God you must have the smallest cock on GFY.

There is ego, then there is EGO, and then there is Hopelessly Insecure people with Massive Egos that are Dead Inside and that is the category you fall within.

If impressing a few teenage webmasters on GFY is your thing, go ahead, but your non stop drivel about what you have and how important it must be yours to keep shows what a lost soul you are. I would be embarrassed if you were my friend.

I have seen your type for most of my life as I grew up in "old money" and I can smell the gauche nouveau riche (and poser wanabes) a mile away. You reek.

If your assets dwindle, so will your self worth and all of your friends as well - just like a coke head.

Barefootsies · 11-05-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

No one that works in our organization has lost their home or suffered much at all during this downturn. Every year, we have given raises and bonuses. And we have fired people too. People that have problems getting to work on time. People that tell managers to GFY,people who have not mastered the skills to do even simple work.

Ah ha! So your ignorance of the real world is based on your own small scope of reality based on your friends.

Thank you.

Barefootsies · 11-05-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

If impressing a few teenage webmasters on GFY is your thing, go ahead, but your non stop drivel about what you have and how important it must be yours to keep shows what a lost soul you are. I would be embarrassed if you were my friend.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

God you must have the smallest cock on GFY.

There is ego, then there is EGO, and then there is Hopelessly Insecure people with Massive Egos that are Dead Inside and that is the category you fall within.

If impressing a few teenage webmasters on GFY is your thing, go ahead, but your non stop drivel about what you have and how important it must be yours to keep shows what a lost soul you are. I would be embarrassed if you were my friend.

I have seen your type for most of my life as I grew up in "old money" and I can smell the gauche nouveau riche (and poser wanabes) a mile away. You reek.

If your assets dwindle, so will your self worth and all of your friends as well - just like a coke head.

You feel better now? I remember you from the PornCity days and don't recall you being so bitter. If your idea of discussion is immediately going into the attack mode, you should simply put me on ignore.

There are plenty of people here at GFY that aren't 15 year old webmasters that appreciate debating with the other side. If they didn't..the thread would quickly fade to page 2.

Relentless · 11-05-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

There is ego, then there is EGO, and then there is Hopelessly Insecure people with Massive Egos that are Dead Inside and that is the category you fall within.

That is the category nearly every honest intelligent person falls within... And there is nothing wrong with that. People with no ego who are not dead inside choose to become employees. People with an ego who are not dead inside become entrepreneurs. People with a massive ego who are dead inside become very successful entrepreneurs. That is the way it has been for thousands of years. The Egyptian pyramids were not built by casual people with low self-esteem issues.

The key is getting the people with egos to accept a stewardship of the people without them (rather than abusing smaller people for sport). Unions had a role in that, civics did as well. Making people feel a connection to the people who work for them and live near them is essential.

Minte does well and takes good care of those who work for him. His Achilles blind spot is that he thinks if others were left to their own devices they would do the same. In fact most people need to be regulated and encouraged to do what's right for the greater good.

Once the 90% of wealthy people who are good natured and self made understand its the 10% of the wealthy who aren't that are making our problems (and not poor people who cost much less than that small group of trust fund oligarchs) the Mintes of the world will find themselves siding with prudent regulation rather than the trumps and other asshats of the world.

Minte · 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Ah ha! So your ignorance of the real world is based on your own small scope of reality based on your friends.

Thank you.

If you are going to throw an insult...at least try and make it original.

suesheboy · 11-05-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You feel better now? I remember you from the PornCity days and don't recall you being so bitter. If your idea of discussion is immediately going into the attack mode, you should simply put me on ignore.

There are plenty of people here at GFY that aren't 15 year old webmasters that appreciate debating with the other side. If they didn't..the thread would quickly fade to page 2.

I am not bitter at all.

I have chosen to avoid most of these types of "discussions" as you call it, but have put up with years and years of your self inflated, narrow minded, self absorbed egotistical barrages that show no compassion or responsibility to others or the world in general and are just a way of you showing off irresponsible and juvenile toys.

I actually felt bad for you even with your delusions of grandeur but enough is enough.

beemk · 11-05-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And what makes you think I don't own a business? I don't discuss my mainstream businesses here; I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations.

jimmy-3-way · 11-05-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

I am not bitter at all.

I have chosen to avoid most of these types of "discussions" as you call it, but have put up with years and years of your self inflated, narrow minded, self absorbed egotistical barrages that show no compassion or responsibility to others or the world in general and are just a way of you showing off irresponsible and juvenile toys.

I actually felt bad for you even with your delusions of grandeur but enough is enough.

Who the FUCK are you talking about?

None of the insults you hurled stick to Minte at all. I fucking hate Republicans and I'd be honored to sit down for a beer with him.

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Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,697	Minte, I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress. The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures.

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