List of things that would destroy our industry and when did they happen? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

notinmybackyard · 11-09-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Should differentiate between things that everyone THOUGHT would destroy the industry and complained about, and things that actually did hurt us, and weren't really discussed until it happened.

If you have ever been in Pompeii you will see there was pornographie. That was over 2,000 years ago so I do not think this industry is going to die.

Unfortunately what is happening today was similarly done in ancient Pompeii's porn industry.

There would have been thousands of people giving away porn to try and get others to pay for looking at porn. Millions would make copies of the porn and ask other business for money to put advertising next to the porn. In the end the volcano would have been a mercy killing and the real pornographers would have just found another place to start over.

Porn will never die but today's web kiddies are more efficient at *adapting* themselves into death than any volcano that ever existed.

Pornhub · 11-09-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

www.************************* - the only thing hat destroyed was by bank account

This web page at www.************************* has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Just letting you know..

epitome · 11-09-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

That name is familiar, but I can't place it.

He would mention COPPA every chance he got whenever someone would bring up Republicans and porn. Also owner of strongbox but he appears to have gone MIA here.

epitome · 11-09-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

Rcn?...https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=992770

I think so. I do remember Brad offering any help he could and maybe even sent people to help get them back online.

If I recall they did have backups but restoration took forever and may have not been complete.

adultmobile · 11-09-2012, 10:41 AM

Myfreecams (2008 and later)

Online since 2004, was not relevant until 2008 when they de facto allowed sex toy shows in free rooms (but still today, official rules not enforced say do not touch any pussy, only allowed it is naked).
Why listed: Made to cam sites what tubes made to tgp/mgp->pay sites. Which is, adapt by giving some free shows, or die, by getting customer email: "you crazy to ask money for cams, I can see this without pay in myfreecams, they are smart you should learn from them" (got many of these mails before I had opened tubecamgirl to adapt).
Not saying this affected cams sales same % of pay sites affected by tubes, not at all, but simply most cam sites had to adapt or die i.e. streamate added Gold = tips and allows now naked in free rooms, Streamray launched stripshow.com, and all the new cam sites launched after 2010-2011 are mfc clones and no more livejasmin clones.

xxxjay · 11-09-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Myfreecams (2008 and later)

Online since 2004, was not relevant until 2008 when they de facto allowed sex toy shows in free rooms (but still today, official rules not enforced say do not touch any pussy, only allowed it is naked).
Why listed: Made to cam sites what tubes made to tgp/mgp->pay sites. Which is, adapt by giving some free shows, or die, by getting customer email: "you crazy to ask money for cams, I can see this without pay in myfreecams, they are smart you should learn from them" (got many of these mails before I had opened tubecamgirl to adapt).
Not saying this affected cams sales same % of pay sites affected by tubes, not at all, but simply most cam sites had to adapt or die i.e. streamate added Gold = tips and allows now naked in free rooms, Streamray launched stripshow.com, and all the new cam sites launched after 2010-2011 are mfc clones and no more livejasmin clones.

Yeah, having the live shows on www.pornstarplatinum.com has really helped us a lot.

GonZo · 11-09-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

www.************************* - the only thing hat destroyed was by bank account

Where did you think the money was going to come from if you gave it away?
Did someone convince you guys that you were going to make it up in volume?

xxxjay · 11-09-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Where did you think the money was going to come from if you gave it away?
Did someone convince you guys that you were going to make it up in volume?

It was an experiment.

I'd rather be the first person to a bad idea, than the last person to a good one.

seeandsee · 11-09-2012, 11:53 AM

Don't tango with zango - They redirected mass of traffic, beside all stuff listed

kane · 11-09-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

He would mention COPPA every chance he got whenever someone would bring up Republicans and porn. Also owner of strongbox but he appears to have gone MIA here.

I do remember him to some degree, but hadn't heard that name in a while. Now that you mention it though I do seem to remember him being one of the big COPA people.

xxxjay · 11-09-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I do remember him to some degree, but hadn't heard that name in a while. Now that you mention it though I do seem to remember him being one of the big COPA people.

Re-reading that now, I kinda wish it had passed. We wouldn't have the tube mess we have today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_O...Protection_Act

brassmonkey · 11-09-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornhub

This web page at www.************************* has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Just letting you know..

xxxjay · 11-09-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornhub

This web page at www.************************* has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Just letting you know..

There are no viruses on it, I just haven't had the time to go through the webmaster tools and get that warning removed

Penny24Seven · 11-09-2012, 03:53 PM

I started in 2000 and did better every single year until 2009 and have done worse every year since then also. Most can figure that one out no problem

RegUser · 11-09-2012, 04:20 PM

Tube Sites are the biggest culprit followed by Cyber Lockers

kane · 11-09-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Re-reading that now, I kinda wish it had passed. We wouldn't have the tube mess we have today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_O...Protection_Act

Looking back on it that may well have been case. My worry was that there are a ton of sites that are not in the US that may not have had to follow the law, but still that would have cut the amount of free porn down drastically.

notinmybackyard · 11-09-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Tube Sites are the biggest culprit followed by Cyber Lockers

As for the tube sites
All it will take is
1) sitting down for a few hours with an old school pornographer that can spot an under age kiddie as fast as winking an eye and copying down the URLs of questionable content on the tube site.

2) Physically walking into a southern baptist church to show the congregation what is going on and passing around a petition.

3) Personally give a copy of that petition to a local media outlet and a local politician

4) Finally walk into a law enforcement office, give them a copy of the petition and ask them if they can investigate the web site's documentation on the content.

All tube sites that allow user generated content have under age adolescents uploading content of themselves. Is they claim otherwise they are liars. Because afterall if they are incapable of policing copyright infringement they are equally incapable of policing kiddie porn on their sites. (They can not have it both ways)

dillonaire · 11-09-2012, 04:37 PM

I would say the "fiscal cliff"

BareBacked · 11-09-2012, 04:53 PM

I remember when 10% CB rate was going to crush the whole industry LOL

that and CAM SPAM

SpicyM · 11-09-2012, 05:06 PM

2008 - Global financial crisis

Cant believe no one mentioned this one. I started to see downfall after the big bank in USA collapsed (don't remember the name) and everyone was talking about crisis.

pornmasta · 11-09-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Random creditcard banging
Cross sales
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i second that too

BareBacked · 11-09-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

It was an experiment.

I'd rather be the first person to a bad idea, than the last person to a good one.

good one. I like that . .never heard it lol

RegUser · 11-09-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

As for the tube sites
All it will take is
1) sitting down for a few hours with an old school pornographer that can spot an under age kiddie as fast as winking an eye and copying down the URLs of questionable content on the tube site.

2) Physically walking into a southern baptist church to show the congregation what is going on and passing around a petition.

3) Personally give a copy of that petition to a local media outlet and a local politician

4) Finally walk into a law enforcement office, give them a copy of the petition and ask them if they can investigate the web site's documentation on the content.

All tube sites that allow user generated content have under age adolescents uploading content of themselves. Is they claim otherwise they are liars. Because afterall if they are incapable of policing copyright infringement they are equally incapable of policing kiddie porn on their sites. (They can not have it both ways)

Yes or a campaign similar to the one run against cyberlockers.
problem is who is going to pay for it?
Not tube sites for sure

xxxjay · 11-09-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

I started in 2000 and did better every single year until 2009 and have done worse every year since then also. Most can figure that one out no problem

There seems to be a mandate on tubes as being the #1 problem.

I would have to agree.

notinmybackyard · 11-10-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Yes or a campaign similar to the one run against cyberlockers.
problem is who is going to pay for it?
Not tube sites for sure

A campaign similar to the one run against cyberlockers would not work because they do not get their money from a single payment processing source. You would be chasing thousands of advertisers, etc. Plus as you said it would cost money to do.

What I detailed does not cost money but it does require someone with an gentle and nice personality willing to be a devote the time and energy into this.

Restu assured that every single tube site has under age porn on it... Every single tube site lacks the required by law documentation.

The laws are currently on the books to deal with porn tube sites and I am not refering to copyright laws. All you need to do is have them enforced. To do that all you need to do is create a public outcry against them. Because without the public to push the issue the police will not care because it is an out of sight crime with no property damage and no obvious vicitims.

Get a church group... or get the media.. or get a politician interested in the problem with porn tubes and all they will all be gone inside of 6 months.

Tube sites do not affect me at all. But if they did, I would be doing whatever I needed to do to stop them. It is your industry.. What you decide to do is your decision not mine.

xxxjay · 11-10-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Rest assured that every single tube site has under age porn on it... Every single tube site lacks the required by law documentation.

I agree with that. The fact that don't comply with 2257 is bullshit. This is coming from someone who has had the FBI at their office for an inspection. It was stressful at first, but once they saw we had everything in order we never heard from them again. At 5 years of possible time per violation Fabien would be doing multiple life sentences on Pornhub alone.

AdultEUhost · 11-10-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I think so. I do remember Brad offering any help he could and maybe even sent people to help get them back online.

If I recall they did have backups but restoration took forever and may have not been complete.

Reality Check Network had indeed a rogue ex employee who apparently hacked their master server according to them which had all the SSH keys to all client servers. I believe he then nuked the MBRs on all servers and restarted them. They did had backups but the system was not designed for retrieving so many backups at once. A lot of customers were down for days, including major tube and torrent sites.

I know Brad offered to help, but I don't believe it didn't come that far. ISPrime did help them a lot though as RCN is in their datacenter.

Another hosting company who went bankrupt and had a LOT of adult customers was Alphared. The owner was involved in malware and got sued by Microsoft. Bills couldn't get paid anymore and the entire company went under leaving many webmasters behind without backups or access to their data.

RegUser · 11-11-2012, 06:15 AM

Tube sites make most of their money from subscriptions and not from advertising which pays peanuts for adult traffic. After all who are you going to sell youe adult traffic to? Adult paysites LOL
If advertising were enough, cyber lockers would not have the problem they have today. Its the billers that need to walk away.
However this industry is not united and strong enough to run a capaign against pirates, it never was and probably will never be.

Triple-A · 11-11-2012, 06:27 AM

Globill in 2003 fucking a lot of people over...

riofromrio · 11-11-2012, 07:03 AM

Nearly nothing is destroying.landscape is just changing

Joe Obenberger · 11-11-2012, 12:23 PM

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/legal/156241

1. I've been around since the start and I can't recall anyone saying that Section 2257 would destroy this industry. Please cite chapter and verse.

2. The reason it's not being enforced is gamesmanship pure and simple. In October, 2007, DOJ cut off funding for inspections as the result of an adverse ruling that was later vacated by a higher panel of the 6th Circuit. After that wake-up call, DOJ decided to show a lower profile and avoid situations that could create evidence of the repressive and unconstitutional nature of this law.

3. They are fighting tooth and nail to defend this statute now in court.

4. Go ahead, ignore it. Call it a chimera. Three years from now you'll be putting new wings on the houses of the lawyers who know something about this law, and probably some lawyers who don't.

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RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Tube sites make most of their money from subscriptions and not from advertising which pays peanuts for adult traffic. After all who are you going to sell youe adult traffic to? Adult paysites LOL If advertising were enough, cyber lockers would not have the problem they have today. Its the billers that need to walk away. However this industry is not united and strong enough to run a capaign against pirates, it never was and probably will never be.

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Joe Obenberger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 466	http://www.xbiz.com/articles/legal/156241 1. I've been around since the start and I can't recall anyone saying that Section 2257 would destroy this industry. Please cite chapter and verse. 2. The reason it's not being enforced is gamesmanship pure and simple. In October, 2007, DOJ cut off funding for inspections as the result of an adverse ruling that was later vacated by a higher panel of the 6th Circuit. After that wake-up call, DOJ decided to show a lower profile and avoid situations that could create evidence of the repressive and unconstitutional nature of this law. 3. They are fighting tooth and nail to defend this statute now in court. 4. Go ahead, ignore it. Call it a chimera. Three years from now you'll be putting new wings on the houses of the lawyers who know something about this law, and probably some lawyers who don't. __________________ Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. . . Restraint in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Last edited by Joe Obenberger; 11-11-2012 at 12:25 PM..