Texas Petition to Secede Reaches Threshold - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 11-13-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 6South

Any state the size of Texas, with the tax base, population and economy Texas has could easily replace any Federal services. Do you think all the soldiers and other Federal employees would leave the state if something like this happened?

That's the logic equivalent of saying that small countries such as most of Europe and the rest of the World for that matter can not exist without the financial and personnel support of a population as large as the rest of the US. It's ridiculous.

The demand for Federal services would scale to the size of the population needing it and besides, Texas pays a hell of lot more into the Federal coffers than it gets back in direct services needed by the population. Having spent most of my adult life working on Government and Defense projects I can tell you with no doubt that most Federal budgets are used to create jobs performed by people who are incompetent and assisted by several other people just as incompetent.
Q. How many Feds does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Millions -
The EPA to make sure the light bulb can be changed safely and will be replaced by a safe bulb, The IRS to collect the money to pay for the new bulb and the salaries of all the Feds involved, the Congress, Senate and Executive branch to add the bulb and labor to the Federal budget, the Federal Reserve to print the money, the World Bank to loan the Reserve the money at 80 percent interest (and the rest of us to pay Taxes to cover their salaries and most excellent health benefits).

At some point the left and whoever else in this country revised history so they could teach liberals and minorities that the civil war wasn't fought over slavery. That's the exact equivalent of saying porn models don't fuck for money.

The official reason Lincoln called up volunteers and attacked the South (in response to Fort Sumter, a situation Lincoln and his staff made sure happen to provide justification, the same exact reason Davis allowed the attack to happen by the way) was in response to the first set of states leaving the Union.

What's missed is the reason why those states left and the fact that Lincoln had spent his entire campaign running on an abolitionist platform. The timing of the confederacy was just prior to Lincoln taking office. Hell, Lincoln even crossed over from being a Democrat to running as a Republican because the Democratic party of that time was the party of the pro-slavery movement.

No way is every fought for a single reason, there were financial reasons for both sides taking the actions they took. The other reason for the states seceding was the legislation that made the new states (Kansas, etc) either non slave states or states which would have to decide on their own. The wealthiest members of Southern Society were not the planters, they were the slavers and they had big plans for the expansion of their industry to the Western frontier.

So no, ending slavery was not an initial "War goal" for the North but it WAS planned all along and Lincoln only waited for the right moment to begin the ball rolling with the emancipation proclamation (which only affected the confederate states). He was smart enough to know the issue had to be given in small doses to prevent a reaction that might have torn the North apart.

Anyway, the point is the parallels to past history are very interesting. The original secession was in reaction to Lincoln's election - these online petitions (though useless in terms of accomplishing their stated goals) are a direct reaction to the re-election of Obama.

The left and Obama's big fans will call this racism, as usual. While there are probably a few people motivated by that anyone attributing it as the primary cause is fooling themselves. This is about people trying to make a statement about the fact that the system no longer represents their interests. Obama has been a continuation of a much larger and longer planned agenda, there's very little difference between the elected results no matter which party they come from.

Ignoring these voices is a big mistake. They are like an iceberg barely visible above water, for every person who signed one of these there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands more.

It's just too bad Americans are too lazy to actually create real change be it within the system or otherwise.

Excellent post. Actually we would all be better off if the 10th amendment was properly enforced. The fact is that the larger the population and area that a central government controls, the less representative it becomes. If you show up with 100,000 people to protest at the state government, you can really make a difference, if you show up with 1,000,000 people at the federal government, they hardly notice that you were there.

We would all be better off if this was just a loose confederation of states that each had soverenty and we could chose from the state that most matched our own wishes and viewpoints, a "free market" of states, if you will. This was the purpose of the 10th amendment, but it was eroded down to nothing at this point.

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tony286 · 11-13-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Excellent post. Actually we would all be better off if the 10th amendment was properly enforced. The fact is that the larger the population and area that a central government controls, the less representative it becomes. If you show up with 100,000 people to protest at the state government, you can really make a difference, if you show up with 1,000,000 people at the federal government, they hardly notice that you were there.

We would all be better off if this was just a loose confederation of states that each had soverenty and we could chose from the state that most matched our own wishes and viewpoints, a "free market" of states, if you will. This was the purpose of the 10th amendment, but it was eroded down to nothing at this point.

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Thats scary from a guy who is a banking expert lol

sperbonzo · 11-13-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Thats scary from a guy who is a banking expert lol

Why Tony? Don't you want to be able to have the government reflect the things that YOU believe in?

Do you somehow think that smaller states run by smaller government can't have a banking system that works?

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Tom_PM · 11-13-2012, 08:16 AM

Bye 45678

crockett · 11-13-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

20 states have submitted petitions. Not all just southern as NY, NJ and Oregon are in the mix as well.

People are fed up with the elite in this country making decisions without voting and when voting comes they are bought or rigged.

My friends outside US say it appears to them that our leadership is trying to create another China WITHOUT the communist BS.
NO welfare state system. You get what you make. - Imagine the chaos coming. LOL.

- A few elite at the top and the rest little more than a slave class. Something I have been saying for years. The new amnesty coming amounts to just another step in that direction.

Please don't confuse "States" with immature sore losers that go to a website & start a petition. Much less there is not even any way to make sure people whom sign the petition actually live in Texas or are legal US citizens.

This is nothing more than yet another temper tantrum from the far right.

crockett · 11-13-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultEUhost

why do you guys hate the texians?

I don't think anyone hates "Texans". Hell I almost moved to Austin a few years ago, I love that city. If "real" Texans wanted their own state then more power to them.

The problem here is this isn't about Texans whom very proud of their state & their country.. but rather this is just another ploy from the far right trying to once again divide the nation because they don't get a bottle every time they cry.

Wizzo · 11-13-2012, 09:10 AM

We are now up to 27 states with petitions...Edit looks like its going to 30...lol

Delaware
California
Ohio
Nevada
Pennsylvania
Arizona
Oklahoma
Arkansas
South Carolina
Georgia
Missouri
Tennessee
Michigan
New York
Colorado
Oregon
New Jersey
North Dakota
Montana
Indiana
Mississippi
Kentucky
Florida
North Carolina
Alabama
Texas
Louisiana

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/27-s...fter-election/

Rochard · 11-13-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Why Tony? Don't you want to be able to have the government reflect the things that YOU believe in?

Seriously, what kind of bullshit is that? Do I want my government to reflect the things I believe in? Why, yes, yes I do. But my neighbor wants the government to reflect the things he believes in, and those aren't the same things I believe in.

Texas can leave the US today and they still won't have the government they want - Because everyone believes in different things, wants different things, and has different needs from their governments.

sperbonzo · 11-13-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Seriously, what kind of bullshit is that? Do I want my government to reflect the things I believe in? Why, yes, yes I do. But my neighbor wants the government to reflect the things he believes in, and those aren't the same things I believe in.

Texas can leave the US today and they still won't have the government they want - Because everyone believes in different things, wants different things, and has different needs from their governments.

Of course. No government will accurately reflect a persons views on EVERY single issue. But there are two points to that.

One is that if the states would have the powers guaranteed by the 10th amendment, then you could "vote with your feet" much more effectively in moving to the state that most reflects your own world view without having an over-reaching federal government that removed the choices. I feel quite safe in saying that people in a given geographic area have much more similar priorities than across a whole continent. What is important to people in Montana is not the same as what is important to people in New York..... Or DC for that matter.

Also, your personal ability to create change in your own government is far higher on the state level than on the federal level, since a smaller number of people reflect a far higher percentage of the constituency for state legislators than they do for the feds. Like I said earlier, 100,000 people at the state level, protesting about an issue, cannot be ignored by the state government, but 1,000,000 or more at the federal level are routinely ignored by federal legislators.

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DAMNMAN · 11-13-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Not the first time. Will not be the last time.

FULL STORY

Of course they reached the number needed, there are so many freaking stupid christian right wing nut bags there it's a given. Republitards!!!

And yes Texas has this right. So if they wanna get a divorce thay can. Supposedly.

One thing though......... anyone who signed that thing should never speak of patriotism to the united states again. One little thing doesn't go their way and they are ready to kill the country over it. (Maybe they think it's a big thing... whatever....)

It's easy to destroy what we have in the US and it takes hard work to keep this experiment called democracy going. (Politicians are killing it slowly as money as it is)

I didn't want Florida to Seceed when Bush stole the election............ He was a serious cunt. (Worse than Obama........... Oh but he wasn't a black guy. NOW I GET IT!!!!)

halfpint · 11-13-2012, 11:17 AM

These are getting close too

Georgia has 20,931

Louisianna has 29.000

Tennesse has 19, 870

Recount the election has 39,338 lol

In all seriousness though what effect would this have on the US if states started to break away and become independent

Robbie · 11-13-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Osiris.10

Does anyone actually think this will happen? or is this just a PR stunt by Perry?

There is the answer...there is no way the U.S. govt. is going to allow any state to secede ever.

As for people saying that Texas uses more federal money than it brings in...on MotherJones (the liberal bible of the internet) it says that Texas is one of the LOWEST in that category. It puts in far more than it gets back.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps

And one other thing...talking about Texas having a military. They already have a state militia. And it will only ever be used for emergencies like hurricanes. Texas will never have to defend itself in a war. lol
Nobody is going to invade Texas. And if they did, the U.S. would defend it...just like we would if China attacked Mexico for some crazy ass reason.

Texas could definitely go out on it's own. It's oil rich, has a huge ocean front. Plenty of agriculture.

But again...they will not be allowed to leave the Union. Texas is far too valuable to the U.S.

Robbie · 11-13-2012, 11:47 AM

By the way liberals....
The NUMBER ONE STATE FOR LIVING ON THE "FEDERAL TEAT" is New Mexico. They use $2.63 for every dollar they pay in. And New Mexico is a "blue state"

That too, is directly from Mother Jones.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

(when I say "liberals" I mean Democrats. I'm way more socially liberal than a dozen Democrats put together. )

Yanks_Todd · 11-13-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 6South

This is about people trying to make a statement about the fact that the system no longer represents their interests. Obama has been a continuation of a much larger and longer planned agenda, there's very little difference between the elected results no matter which party they come from.

Ignoring these voices is a big mistake. They are like an iceberg barely visible above water, for every person who signed one of these there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands more.

It's just too bad Americans are too lazy to actually create real change be it within the system or otherwise.

Good points, but I would adjust a bit.

This is about a group of shrinking demographics trying to make statement that the system no longer represents them.

A system that also happens to be moving closer towards many of the viewpoints shared by the rest of the civilized world. While these voices are the tip of the iceberg, it is a melting iceberg with no cold weather in site.

Blue and Red states are just shockingly obvious to look at. Blue states are contact points with the world at large. Every person is different. But it's hard to argue that your average North Dakotan has the breadth or depth of the world that your average New Yorker does. That's ok, that is the world he or she cares about, but it is still a limited view in an increasingly global community.

I don't think Americans are lazy and change is happening. The GOP is mortally wounded right now and it will take the better part of a decade for them to pivot. The bigger chunk of America did vote, and they are changing. They are only lazy if they are changing in the way you and a minority of people want it to. If that is so, then you bitterness is clear.

crockett · 11-13-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

These are getting close too

Georgia has 20,931

Louisianna has 29.000

Tennesse has 19, 870

Recount the election has 39,338 lol

In all seriousness though what effect would this have on the US if states started to break away and become independent

Honestly 25 thousand people is not that many people when you look at the population of a state. The Reason it only requires 25k to be acknowledged is because the petition have "smaller" issues in mind as well and needs to be accessible for that.

Hell there was a school in Texas a few months back that was in the news because they had had just built a stadium for their high school football team that could seat 18k people (and cost 60 mil btw).

25k is a drop in the bucket.. Get 50-60% of a State's "confirmed" residents and not just some online signature then we talk.

Robbie · 11-13-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Good points, but I would adjust a bit.

This is about a group of shrinking demographics trying to make statement that the system no longer represents them.

A system that also happens to be moving closer towards many of the viewpoints shared by the rest of the civilized world. While these voices are the tip of the iceberg, it is a melting iceberg with no cold weather in site.

Blue and Red states are just shockingly obvious to look at. Blue states are contact points with the world at large. Every person is different. But it's hard to argue that your average North Dakotan has the breadth or depth of the world that your average New Yorker does. That's ok, that is the world he or she cares about, but it is still a limited view in an increasingly global community.

I don't think Americans are lazy and change is happening. The GOP is mortally wounded right now and it will take the better part of a decade for them to pivot. The bigger chunk of America did vote, and they are changing. They are only lazy if they are changing in the way you and a minority of people want it to. If that is so, then you bitterness is clear.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

BUT...I've been to New York many, many times. I'd say that the "average" New Yorker has less "world view" than the average North Dakotan! lol

Now the elite of New York have a very big world view. But once you leave the nice areas of New York City you are dealing with people who fight over a city block for God's sakes.

They are far, far from being jet setting, knowledgeable people in those areas. And even in the "safe" areas of New York City...I wouldn't say the guy selling me a hot dog or slinging a beer at the bar knows anything about what's going on in this world other than the Yankees, Giants, and Jets.

Yanks_Todd · 11-13-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

BUT...I've been to New York many, many times. I'd say that the "average" New Yorker has less "world view" than the average North Dakotan! lol

Now the elite of New York have a very big world view. But once you leave the nice areas of New York City you are dealing with people who fight over a city block for God's sakes.

They are far, far from being jet setting, knowledgeable people in those areas. And even in the "safe" areas of New York City...I wouldn't say the guy selling me a hot dog or slinging a beer at the bar knows anything about what's going on in this world other than the Yankees, Giants, and Jets.

I see your point, I think there are people with limited exposure everywhere. I still think though on average I am correct. I live in Seattle, close to the MS and Google campuses, the exposure to cultures of all kinds is awesome and once you get off the coasts, great lakes included, that exposure shrinks.

Even the hot dog guy in New York has experiences from people from all over the world. That is important. I had a relative in the mid-west tell me about the "Taliban" they saw at the grocery store, she was terrified. I know she isn't a complete idiot, however I also know that what she saw could have been anything ranging from a Buddist monk to a Hasidic Jew to a Indian Sikh. She wouldn't know the difference. I am ok for her to vote for her city council people, the people who will chose the order of the floats for the fourth of July parade, but to be honest I don't feel super comfortable with her voting for the president.

baryl · 11-13-2012, 12:47 PM

Texas would almost certainly be hit with very tough Iran-style trade sanctions with the US, EU and most of their allies. They would be essentially cut off from international trade and banking and would have to develop their own domestic industries from scratch and rely solely on their domestic Texas market and resources.

6South · 11-13-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Texas has no state income tax. Texas takes more than they give. I know your pundits say other wise but there are little stupid things your gov does that you dont think about. Like the food or medicine you take is pretty safe that's not magic. When you fly chances are you are going to not crash. This all costs money and just doesnt fall from heaven. Another one is texas banks would no longer be federally insured. That whole nasty liberal thing so you dont lose all your money if a bank goes under. I can go on and on. They want to go they should let go. Its a good time for this, puerto rico voted to become a state. So then the number stays the same and we dont have to change all the flags. Texas is saving us money already.

Texas doesn't have an income tax because sales, property and other use taxes generate more than enough revenue to cover services (police, fire, medicaid, CHIPS, etc).

Air traffic control is paid for by airports out of funds they receive from airlines. The airlines charge passengers to cover fuel, airplane costs, employee salaries and all the various fees they pay for things like air traffic control and people to load / unload baggage. Even the radar and other equipment used at each airport is paid for by that airport from local fund sources.

Where did you get the idea that State Income Taxes have anything to do with Federal budgets, anyway>? State income taxes remain within the budgets for those states and have no impact at all on any funding collected from the Federal government. The closest you can even get to Federal money going to states would be Defense spending. Even the favorite example of highway funding is complete BS. The huge amount of taxes you pay for gasoline is supposed to be earmarked to pay for roads / highways.

The Federal government is a business. It takes in far more money than it pays out despite all the song and dance BS they give you about the national debt. That debt is an artificial creation of a group of private banks who managed to take over the issuance of currency from the government. They don't do it as a charity, believe that shit.

I think you'd be really surprised how little money actually comes back from the Federal government to the public.

Most of your tax dollars go to mandatory entitlements (social security, welfare, etc). Even if you move to the UK and renounce your citizenship you can still collect your SSI, retirement, etc from the US govt. Check into it if you don't believe me.

The rest of the majority of taxes collected go to the Federal Reserve banks to service the interest on the national debt.

The truth is that some States in this country could actually become stand alone countries and the taxes paid by the public would still be less for the same or more benefits than they currently pay to the IRS.

Robbie · 11-13-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baryl

Texas would almost certainly be hit with very tough Iran-style trade sanctions with the US, EU and most of their allies. They would be essentially cut off from international trade and banking and would have to develop their own domestic industries from scratch and rely solely on their domestic Texas market and resources.

Why would the U.S. do that? LOL!

They are legally asking to secede (they won't be allowed to by the way). And if they did, they would be the closest ally in the world to the U.S.

They didn't say they were declaring war. lol

baryl · 11-13-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Why would the U.S. do that? LOL!

They are legally asking to secede (they won't be allowed to by the way). And if they did, they would be the closest ally in the world to the U.S.

They didn't say they were declaring war. lol

Well, you have to assume that the social conservatives would be given free reign to enact their fantasy theocracy in Texas, possibly even Apartheid type policies so they could expect similar sanctions on human rights grounds.

Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists.

The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess.

Robbie · 11-13-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baryl

Well, you have to assume that the social conservatives would be given free reign to enact their fantasy theocracy in Texas, possibly even Apartheid type policies so they could expect similar sanctions on human rights grounds.

Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists.

The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess.

That is assuming that social conservatives would run it. Which could definitely happen. But I don't think for one second there would be an Apartheid type govt. in any shape or form. I know plenty of people from Texas, and that just ain't gonna happen.

Even if it did, I would assume that people living there would still have dual citizenship. I don't even think there would be a national "border" between us.

As for what does Texas have to offer...OIL! And giant access to the Gulf Of Mexico, gas refineries, and ocean oil rigs.

Sly · 11-13-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baryl

Well, you have to assume that the social conservatives would be given free reign to enact their fantasy theocracy in Texas, possibly even Apartheid type policies so they could expect similar sanctions on human rights grounds.

Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists.

The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess.

What would the state government be able to do that they can't already do?

You are acting like with the snap of a finger's suddenly all of the people in Texas turn into lizards... I don't see Johnny in this thread yet, so let's try to keep the lizards out of it.

Plus, Texas has a lot of resources, has a great bit of control over the energy industry, and a massive connection to Mexico. Despite what people like to think about Mexico, a lot of money flows through that border every day in trade. Without the large border, trucks will be forced to go around, increasing shipping costs dramatically and causing quite the headache for New Mexico.

baddog · 11-13-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris.10

Does anyone actually think this will happen? or is this just a PR stunt by Perry?

Ironically, a petition to secede from the United States is not supported by the governor of Texas. Rick Perry said no to a secession petition from thousands of citizens who want the Obama administration to allow Texas to leave the Union peacefully and form their own government. Imagine that?

http://www.examiner.com/article/texa...ecede-petition

RKLover · 11-13-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

Many Texans would like to see the immigration papers for all those Californians moving here.

Too funny. I had three cash offers from Orange County Californians when I sold my house in Texas. Made a nice profit.

I didn't bother telling them the already high Property taxes had increased by over 410% in only 4 years time. Would hate to tell them the Texas "No State Income Tax" compares poorly with California's Old Prop 13 Fixed Property Value.

kane · 11-13-2012, 01:49 PM

Interestingly enough I was just looking it up and in 2000 after Bush won the election 20 different states filed the petition to secede. It looks like the same group of people petition after every election.

Rochard · 11-13-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Interestingly enough I was just looking it up and in 2000 after Bush won the election 20 different states filed the petition to secede. It looks like the same group of people petition after every election.

So it's basically the same bunch of idiots each time.

What does it take for one of the these petitions, twenty-five thousand? There's twenty-five fucking million people in Texas. It's safe to say that twenty-five thousand of them are legally mentally retarded.

kane · 11-13-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So it's basically the same bunch of idiots each time.

What does it take for one of the these petitions, twenty-five thousand? There's twenty-five fucking million people in Texas. It's safe to say that twenty-five thousand of them are legally mentally retarded.

You could likely find 25,000 in every state that are so pissed off at the government for one reason or another that they would sign a petition to secede. The reason Texas is getting the lion's share of the news is because their governor talked about it during a news conference.

RKLover · 11-13-2012, 03:04 PM

As for those questioning what would happen with the Soldiers and Federal employees.

Soldiers have an enlistment contract with the U.S. Government. Their contract would not be voided by their States secession. They could offer to resign and walk away from their accumulated pension and benefits, I suppose.

Would our government allow a low ranking Officer or Enlisted man to resign? Especially as fast as we are currently cycling troops through Combat tours? Probably not unless the person was close to hitting 20 years and making their pension.

Federal employees would be in a different conundrum. Their offices / facilities would be closed or relocated. They either seek a transfer and relocate, or are laid off.

As for the Mother Jones map. I have to think it must exclude the Defense budget, because there are way too many major military bases in Texas. Six major Air Force bases, four major Army Bases and three Naval Air Stations.

Every Airman in the Air Force goes through Lackland AFB for Basic Training. All Medical personnel go through Fort Sam Houston for advanced training for 3 months up to 2 years.
Every Artilleryman or Missile Tech goes through Fort Bliss. Plus Bliss and Fort Hood have full Divisions stationed there.

Then we have all the GS and Civilian contract jobs associated with all those military bases. I'm baffled how they came to these results?

Almost forgot to mention. The polling data showed the secession movement could not obtain a majority in Texas. But Oklahoma was still willing for us to give Texas back to Mexico.

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	Interestingly enough I was just looking it up and in 2000 after Bush won the election 20 different states filed the petition to secede. It looks like the same group of people petition after every election.

11-13-2012, 03:04 PM	#79
RKLover A B User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 256	As for those questioning what would happen with the Soldiers and Federal employees. Soldiers have an enlistment contract with the U.S. Government. Their contract would not be voided by their States secession. They could offer to resign and walk away from their accumulated pension and benefits, I suppose. Would our government allow a low ranking Officer or Enlisted man to resign? Especially as fast as we are currently cycling troops through Combat tours? Probably not unless the person was close to hitting 20 years and making their pension. Federal employees would be in a different conundrum. Their offices / facilities would be closed or relocated. They either seek a transfer and relocate, or are laid off. As for the Mother Jones map. I have to think it must exclude the Defense budget, because there are way too many major military bases in Texas. Six major Air Force bases, four major Army Bases and three Naval Air Stations. Every Airman in the Air Force goes through Lackland AFB for Basic Training. All Medical personnel go through Fort Sam Houston for advanced training for 3 months up to 2 years. Every Artilleryman or Missile Tech goes through Fort Bliss. Plus Bliss and Fort Hood have full Divisions stationed there. Then we have all the GS and Civilian contract jobs associated with all those military bases. I'm baffled how they came to these results? Almost forgot to mention. The polling data showed the secession movement could not obtain a majority in Texas. But Oklahoma was still willing for us to give Texas back to Mexico. __________________ There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force. Last edited by RKLover; 11-13-2012 at 03:17 PM..