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Maybe they can join forces with Quebec and add even more humour to modern life.
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yea id move lol
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Before they go doing that they should get off the government teet and stop taking more federal money than they contribute.
I hope that is what Obama replies with and then wishes them good luck. Maybe they can merge with Mexico. |
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They should verify every single email...
Should allowing online petitions be valid? Chances are they're all from Mexico and are using proxys..
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haha ... i guess some states would be better off w/out the gov ... maybe they can raise some democracy? ... the US has proven to be a big fail ... torture, war crime ... all they wanted to fight - is THEM ... fuck the USA ... SERIOUS - you lost track ... democracy - gone ... freedom? a joke ... land of the brave? ONLY IF YOU STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!! ... but all those couch potatoes will keep on cheering "hail, hail ... USA" -- losers!
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I would imagine a huge influx of people moving to Texas if this were to go through.
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![]() It is my considered opinion that all the D-9 Caterpillars in the nation should be lined up at the Northern border of Texas, pointed South, the blades should be dropped and they should stop pushing when they reach the Gulf of Mexico!
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Good luck with her Mexico, she's all yours.
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why do you guys hate the texians?
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If it means getting rid of the Bush's I'm all for it.
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Yeah if that's what you want to call them.
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BING fuckin O!
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First, we take the Houston Texans and Cowboy cheerleaders.
Then build a fortified fence, place machine gun bunkers and mines to keep them in their new nation. If they ask for anything, tell them to fuck off. If they try to ship oil anywhere, we hijack and steal it.
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Many Texans would like to see the immigration papers for all those Californians moving here.
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All that will come of this is some canned response from the White House stating something of this nature would have to be addressed in the State legislature. Most states have already passed resolutions in the recent years reaffirming their sovereign rights.
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And this will all amount to a bunch of nothing. Enjoy.
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Anyone remember this?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state
Secession The Constitution is silent on the issue of the secession of a state from the union. However, its predecessor document, the Articles of Confederation, stated that the United States of America "shall be perpetual." The question of whether or not individual states held the right to unilateral secession remained a difficult and divisive one until the American Civil War. In 1860 and 1861, eleven southern states seceded, but following their defeat in the American Civil War were brought back into the Union during the Reconstruction Era. The federal government never recognized the secession of any of the rebellious states. Following the Civil War, the United States Supreme Court, in Texas v. White, held that states did not have the right to secede and that any act of secession was legally void. Drawing on the Preamble to the Constitution, which states that the Constitution was intended to "form a more perfect union" and speaks of the people of the United States of America in effect as a single body politic, as well as the language of the Articles of Confederation, the Supreme Court maintained that states did not have a right to secede. However, the court's reference in the same decision to the possibility of such changes occurring "through revolution, or through consent of the States," essentially means that this decision holds that no state has a right to unilaterally decide to leave the Union.
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Any idiot can post a petition on there. It doesn't mean anything.
If those White House petitions on that site were meaningful, the #1 priority of our government would be pot and aliens. Also, less than .05% of the population of those states are "signing" the internet petitions. The Internet is just collectively bored and needs to whip itself up into a frenzy over something every couple of days. |
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I am a little bit confused at the point of this. If this was to happen, the state of Texas would loose the border patrol, FBI, the US military (and all of it's unlimited funds), and everything else.
This might not sound too bad but think about it for just a moment.
I'm just making this shit up off the top of my head. These are expenses that Texas will have to cover when the Federal governement pulls out. What will they loose?
Am I right here or totally off base?
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One thing that jumped out at me was your point about the military bases.
The US has bases in just about every damn country they want. Why would they pull out of Texas?
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You would only think this is a bad idea and the petitions comprised of 'idiots' if your state has already sold it's soul to the federal government.
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That's a good question. We wouldn't need a military base in Texas; Anything that needed US military attention in that area could be handled from neighboring states and their military bases.
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I think all the talk of leaving the union is from people that can't think past what their pastor tells them on Sunday morning. You raise some valid points. If the Soviet Union could do it though I don't see why Texas couldn't pull it off and be successful at it. Certainly it wouldn't be as warm an cozy as they have it now but it could be done I think.
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If this would happen, we'd have our own Britian/Us Colonies situation. Let's look down the road, into the nation of Texas' future. They hold an election for the King of Texas, and some of them don't like who wins. They secede even further to create another sub-nation. That's when we could make up some shit about weapons of mass destruction being hidden there, and give them some military industrial complex up the ass.
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Sure, but only after giving back their water pipes and electric wiring.
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There is the equally valid and binding:
Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America. petition. |
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I'd be extremely surprised if Texas received more in Federal funds than is paid to the Fed in income tax, cig tax, gas taxes, etc by the people who live there. It's pretty standard for the larger population states to be pulling the weight for all the lesser populated / poor economically developed areas of the country.
Little demonstrations like this petition (20 something other states have identical petitions active on the same site, by the way so it's not just a "Texas" thing, some of you might want to check and see how many people from your own state have signed their own) represent nothing in terms of an actual secession taking place. They do a decent job of displaying the amount of frustration people have with the Federal govt, however.
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My guess is that a lot of that money that everyone says that Texas is on the "federal teat" for is being spent on federally mandated stuff.
I don't think that Texas really needs the federal govt. to survive (though liberals dearly wish it to be so). Having said that...there is no way in hell the feds will allow any state to secede ever for any reason. If it came down to it, the U.S. army would move in and kill all the "terrorists" who are obviously behind this. lol |
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20 states have submitted petitions. Not all just southern as NY, NJ and Oregon are in the mix as well.
People are fed up with the elite in this country making decisions without voting and when voting comes they are bought or rigged. My friends outside US say it appears to them that our leadership is trying to create another China WITHOUT the communist BS. NO welfare state system. You get what you make. - Imagine the chaos coming. LOL. ![]() |
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I would also assume that a lot of companies might leave. If you have any kind of a company that gets any kind of government money or subsides you might move for fear you might lose them. Also, depending on how difficult they make it to deal with them nationwide companies like Walmart and McDonalds might pull out. Texas would now be forced to protect itself from the world and provide everything for itself. they might be able to pull it off after some time, but I have a feeling the quality of life in Texas would drop dramatically. |
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Any state the size of Texas, with the tax base, population and economy Texas has could easily replace any Federal services. Do you think all the soldiers and other Federal employees would leave the state if something like this happened?
That's the logic equivalent of saying that small countries such as most of Europe and the rest of the World for that matter can not exist without the financial and personnel support of a population as large as the rest of the US. It's ridiculous. The demand for Federal services would scale to the size of the population needing it and besides, Texas pays a hell of lot more into the Federal coffers than it gets back in direct services needed by the population. Having spent most of my adult life working on Government and Defense projects I can tell you with no doubt that most Federal budgets are used to create jobs performed by people who are incompetent and assisted by several other people just as incompetent. Q. How many Feds does it take to change a light bulb? A. Millions - The EPA to make sure the light bulb can be changed safely and will be replaced by a safe bulb, The IRS to collect the money to pay for the new bulb and the salaries of all the Feds involved, the Congress, Senate and Executive branch to add the bulb and labor to the Federal budget, the Federal Reserve to print the money, the World Bank to loan the Reserve the money at 80 percent interest (and the rest of us to pay Taxes to cover their salaries and most excellent health benefits). At some point the left and whoever else in this country revised history so they could teach liberals and minorities that the civil war wasn't fought over slavery. That's the exact equivalent of saying porn models don't fuck for money. The official reason Lincoln called up volunteers and attacked the South (in response to Fort Sumter, a situation Lincoln and his staff made sure happen to provide justification, the same exact reason Davis allowed the attack to happen by the way) was in response to the first set of states leaving the Union. What's missed is the reason why those states left and the fact that Lincoln had spent his entire campaign running on an abolitionist platform. The timing of the confederacy was just prior to Lincoln taking office. Hell, Lincoln even crossed over from being a Democrat to running as a Republican because the Democratic party of that time was the party of the pro-slavery movement. No way is every fought for a single reason, there were financial reasons for both sides taking the actions they took. The other reason for the states seceding was the legislation that made the new states (Kansas, etc) either non slave states or states which would have to decide on their own. The wealthiest members of Southern Society were not the planters, they were the slavers and they had big plans for the expansion of their industry to the Western frontier. So no, ending slavery was not an initial "War goal" for the North but it WAS planned all along and Lincoln only waited for the right moment to begin the ball rolling with the emancipation proclamation (which only affected the confederate states). He was smart enough to know the issue had to be given in small doses to prevent a reaction that might have torn the North apart. Anyway, the point is the parallels to past history are very interesting. The original secession was in reaction to Lincoln's election - these online petitions (though useless in terms of accomplishing their stated goals) are a direct reaction to the re-election of Obama. The left and Obama's big fans will call this racism, as usual. While there are probably a few people motivated by that anyone attributing it as the primary cause is fooling themselves. This is about people trying to make a statement about the fact that the system no longer represents their interests. Obama has been a continuation of a much larger and longer planned agenda, there's very little difference between the elected results no matter which party they come from. Ignoring these voices is a big mistake. They are like an iceberg barely visible above water, for every person who signed one of these there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands more. It's just too bad Americans are too lazy to actually create real change be it within the system or otherwise.
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Texas, the new Iran that is closer then Cuba
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I wish Texas would Secede, that would be a lock for Democrats with Texas out of the picture.
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The only three states that could secede and prosper are New York, California and Texas.
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Does anyone actually think this will happen? or is this just a PR stunt by Perry?
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