Is Tor Dead Now?

[AdultPornMasta]

Tor sites are still working but I'm dubious about using it in future. Who know whom is watching for what? Seems like just using the browser has a potential to get you tagged for something you're not doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20554788

[Mutt]

Marion you're 70 years old, what are you using Tor for? Illegal prescription drugs?

Go write angry letters to corporations and the newspaper like Grandpa Simpson does.

[Dirty F]

Hosting exit nodes on Tor is just retarded. It's just asking for trouble.

[pamon]

Only people using tor and onion are pedos, people looking for illegal drugs and privacy freaks.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by pamon

Only people using tor and onion are pedos, people looking for illegal drugs and privacy freaks.

Pedophiles should be casturated
Anyone that needs to buy illegal drugs from some webkiddie in a 3rd world nation deserves what they get

But what is wrong with being a privacy freak?

Unless I have a good reason, I refuse normally to carry identification. And if I am stopped by I police officer, I refuse to talk to him. So I am certainly not going to be stupid enough to post that information en ligne.

[crockett]

You guys don't think people in places like Iran, China or the many other countries of the world that govt heavily monitors the web usage might also use it?

[AutumnBH]

Originally Posted by crockett

You guys don't think people in places like Iran, China or the many other countries of the world that govt heavily monitors the web usage might also use it?

That's right... And the powers at that be in the authoritarian states (and that includes the US, UK etc.) don't like that people can communicate securely, so they're going after tor the only way they can - by making it so legally and financially onerous to host an exit node that no one will do it.

Tor is also an extremely useful blackhat tool for some situations... It supports https and is generally reliable, even if it is dog slow. I would be sorry to see it go.

[epitome]

Love when Marion posts as different nicks in the same thread.

[Zeiss]

Hope not. ;)

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Pedophiles should be casturated
Anyone that needs to buy illegal drugs from some webkiddie in a 3rd world nation deserves what they get

But what is wrong with being a privacy freak?

Unless I have a good reason, I refuse normally to carry identification. And if I am stopped by I police officer, I refuse to talk to him. So I am certainly not going to be stupid enough to post that information en ligne.

God, you're one of those people. Some of the most annoying types i can think of.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by pamon

Only people using tor and onion are pedos, people looking for illegal drugs and privacy freaks.

wrong ... not just p*do but people using tor and onion are doing or supporting any kind of crime or illegal activity. still the best way to hide your ass ...

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by lucas131

wrong ... not just p*do but people using tor and onion are doing or supporting any kind of crime or illegal activity. still the best way to hide your ass ...

There are better ways to hide your ass... .

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Zealotry

There are better ways to hide your ass... .

yeah, switch offline. or wear a boxers

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by lucas131

yeah, switch offline. or wear a boxers

No, put some PANTS on.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Zealotry

No, put some PANTS on.

hehe

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

God, you're one of those people. Some of the most annoying types i can think of.

I am a very old biker and a classically trade pornographer. I was breaking skulls and filming porn probably long before you were even in your father's testicules. One thing I have learned is never tell your best friend anything you do not want your worst enemy to know.

I have never stopped anyone from putting on line their life history along with all their identification, etc as well. IN FACT I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO POST THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION. Because it keeps whoever is collecting the information too busy to worry about someone like me...

Besides I like watching Darwin's theory of evolution at work.

[V_RocKs]

I like that you guys know real names...

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I am a very old biker and a classically trade pornographer. I was breaking skulls and filming porn probably long before you were even in your father's testicules. One thing I have learned is never tell your best friend anything you do not want your worst enemy to know.

I have never stopped anyone from putting on line their life history along with all their identification, etc as well. IN FACT I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO POST THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION. Because it keeps whoever is collecting the information too busy to worry about someone like me...

Besides I like watching Darwin's theory of evolution at work.

I assume you will never ever call the police if something got stolen from you or for ANY other reason right? You aren't a hypocrite like that right?

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

I assume you will never ever call the police if something got stolen from you or for ANY other reason right? You aren't a hypocrite like that right?

It has happen and no I did not call the police.

And what would they do anyway?? Fill out a report for the insurance company?

I do not chase status symbols, my cell phone is 10 years old and the only apples in my home are the kind you can eat. So if someone wants to steal my couch and kitchen table, I will personally help them load it on their truck. (I will give them a set of dishes as a gift too)

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Pedophiles should be casturated
Anyone that needs to buy illegal drugs from some webkiddie in a 3rd world nation deserves what they get

But what is wrong with being a privacy freak?

Unless I have a good reason, I refuse normally to carry identification. And if I am stopped by I police officer, I refuse to talk to him. So I am certainly not going to be stupid enough to post that information en ligne.

What you wrote!

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by AutumnBH

That's right... And the powers at that be in the authoritarian states (and that includes the US, UK etc.) don't like that people can communicate securely, so they're going after tor the only way they can - by making it so legally and financially onerous to host an exit node that no one will do it.

Tor is also an extremely useful blackhat tool for some situations... It supports https and is generally reliable, even if it is dog slow. I would be sorry to see it go.

100% correct!

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by lucas131

wrong ... not just p*do but people using tor and onion are doing or supporting any kind of crime or illegal activity. still the best way to hide your ass ...

100% correct!

[rowan]

Originally Posted by AutumnBH

Tor is also an extremely useful blackhat tool for some situations... It supports https and is generally reliable, even if it is dog slow. I would be sorry to see it go.

This. Tor is great for scrapers and content spammers. But I think the criminal argument is stupid, it's like saying that 10% of the cars driving down roads are used by criminals, therefore we should consider banning roads.

I use Tor myself for accessing sites which track my movements and activity, such as Google.

[malcarada]

The US Government funded and developed tor for the rest of the world with US taxpayer money, they have also given grants to developers for contributing to the project, if anyone is not happy that tor is being misused maybe they should write to the White House and let them know.

[mce]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Hosting exit nodes on Tor is just retarded. It's just asking for trouble.

This man speaks truth

[epitome]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I am a very old biker and a classically trade pornographer. I was breaking skulls and filming porn probably long before you were even in your father's testicules. One thing I have learned is never tell your best friend anything you do not want your worst enemy to know.

I have never stopped anyone from putting on line their life history along with all their identification, etc as well. IN FACT I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO POST THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION. Because it keeps whoever is collecting the information too busy to worry about someone like me...

Besides I like watching Darwin's theory of evolution at work.

Tell us more Marion.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I am a very old biker and a classically trade pornographer. I was breaking skulls and filming porn probably long before you were even in your father's testicules. One thing I have learned is never tell your best friend anything you do not want your worst enemy to know.

I have never stopped anyone from putting on line their life history along with all their identification, etc as well. IN FACT I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO POST THEIR PRIVATE INFORMATION. Because it keeps whoever is collecting the information too busy to worry about someone like me...

Besides I like watching Darwin's theory of evolution at work.

TESTIFY, BROTHER!

Can I have an "AMEN!"?

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by rowan

This. Tor is great for scrapers and content spammers. But I think the criminal argument is stupid, it's like saying that 10% of the cars driving down roads are used by criminals, therefore we should consider banning roads.

I use Tor myself for accessing sites which track my movements and activity, such as Google.

You should stop trying to reason with these people. It's like trying to teach pigs to fly. Won't work, wears you out and annoys the pig.

[Aidoru]

There are other networks such as i2p

[Diomed]

I for one am tired of watching myself get tracked by every website out there, because that is what it has come down to. Google, Yahoo, Bing.

I'm not logged into any of them, but any site that I visit on my own accord.. if it sells anything, 5 minutes later I'll be on a completely different website and see ads for that site running. Now, I know google used to do this when you were logged in.. but now I see it everywhere.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

I assume you will never ever call the police if something got stolen from you or for ANY other reason right? You aren't a hypocrite like that right?

Out police doesn't help to find the stolen things anyways. Thus I also don't see any reason to call it

[AdultPornMasta]

A damned good reason for TOR and services like it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20575844

" 2 December 2012 Last updated at 20:43 ET
UN internet regulation treaty talks begin in Dubai
Comments (127)
By Leo Kelion Technology reporter


A UN agency is trying to calm fears that the internet could be damaged by a conference it is hosting.

Government regulators from 193 countries are in Dubai to revise a wide-ranging communications treaty.

Google has warned the event threatened the "open internet", while the EU said the current system worked, adding: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

But the agency said action was needed to ensure investment in infrastructure to help more people access the net.

"The brutal truth is that the internet remains largely [the] rich world's privilege, " said Dr Hamadoun Toure, secretary-general of the UN's International Telecommunications Union, ahead of the meeting.

"ITU wants to change that."

Internet governance

The ITU traces its roots back to 1865, pre-dating the United Nations. Back then the focus was on telegrams, but over ensuing decades governments have extended its remit to other communications technologies.

It helped develop the standards that made sure different countries' telephone networks could talk to each other, and continues to allocate global radio spectrum and communication satellite orbits.

The current event - the World Conference on International Telecommunications (Wcit) - marks the first time it has overseen a major overhaul of telecommunication regulations since 1988.

The ITU says there is a need to reflect the "dramatically different" technologies that have become commonplace over the past 24 years.

But the US has said some of the proposals being put forward by other countries are "alarming".

"There have been proposals that have suggested that the ITU should enter the internet governance business," said Terry Kramer, the US's ambassador to Wcit, last week.

"There have been active recommendations that there be an invasive approach of governments in managing the internet, in managing the content that goes via the internet, what people are looking at, what they're saying.

"These fundamentally violate everything that we believe in in terms of democracy and opportunities for individuals, and we're going to vigorously oppose any proposals of that nature."

He added that he was specifically concerned by a proposal by Russia which said member states should have "equal rights to manage the internet" - a move he suggested would open the door to more censorship.

However - as a recent editorial in the Moscow Times pointed out - Russia has already been able to introduce a "black list" of banned sites without needing an international treaty.

The ITU's leader is also playing down suggestions that Russian demands will see him gain powers currently wielded by US-based bodies such as the internet name regulator Icann.

"There is no need for the ITU to take over the internet governance," said Dr Toure following Mr Kramer's comments.
Pay to stream

One of the other concerns raised is that the conference could result in popular websites having to pay a fee to send data along telecom operators' networks.

The European Telecommunications Network Operators' Association (Etno) - which represents companies such as Orange, Telefonica and Deutsche Telekom - has been lobbying governments to introduce what it calls a "quality based" model.

This would see firms face charges if they wanted to ensure streamed video and other quality-critical content download without the risk of problems such as jerky images.

Etno says a new business model is needed to provide service providers with the "incentive to invest in network infrastructure".

A leaked proposal by Cameroon which talks of network operators deserving "full payment" has been interpreted by some as evidence that it is sympathetic to the idea.

Mr Kramer has suggested that "a variety of nations in the Arab states" also supported the idea.

However, the US and EU are against it which should theoretically stop the proposal in its tracks.

The ITU has repeatedly said that there must be common ground, rather than just a majority view, before changes are introduced to the treaty.

"Voting in our jargon means winners and losers, and we cannot afford that," Dr Toure told the BBC.
Rejecting regulation

Such assurances have failed to satisfy everyone.

The EU's digital agenda commissioner, Neelie Kroes, has called into question why the treaty needs to refer to the net.

"The internet works, it doesn't need to be regulated by ITR treaty," she tweeted.

Vint Cerf - the computer scientist who co-designed some of the internet's core underlying protocols and who now acts as Google's chief internet evangelist - has been even more vocal, penning a series of op-ed columns.

"A state-controlled system of regulation is not only unnecessary, it would almost invariably raise costs and prices and interfere with the rapid and organic growth of the internet we have seen since its commercial emergence in the 1990s," he wrote for CNN.

Google itself has also run an "open internet" petition alongside the claim: "Only governments have a voice at the ITU... engineers, companies, and people that build and use the web have no vote."

However, the ITU has pointed out that Google has a chance to put its views forward as part of the US's delegation to the conference.

"They are here, and they're telling everyone that it's a closed society," said Dr Toure when asked about the firm's campaign.

"We will challenge them here again to bring their points on the table. The point that they are bringing - which is internet governance - it's not really a place for discussion [of that] here.

"Therefore we believe they will find themselves in an environment completely different from what they were expecting."

Fuck the United Nations!

[Bat_Man]

Nope Tor is not dead yet , But its service quality dropped significantly

[GFED]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Out police doesn't help to find the stolen things anyways. Thus I also don't see any reason to call it

True, the police will not help you, but you need the police report for the insurance company.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by Diomed

I for one am tired of watching myself get tracked by every website out there, because that is what it has come down to. Google, Yahoo, Bing.

I'm not logged into any of them, but any site that I visit on my own accord.. if it sells anything, 5 minutes later I'll be on a completely different website and see ads for that site running. Now, I know google used to do this when you were logged in.. but now I see it everywhere.

Yeppers!