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pornmasta · 12-03-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnBH

of course, he is proud, he drew it !

Overload · 12-03-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Never understood flags... was a bit suprised seeing all the flags on every corner on my USA trip... so I asked a guy... "what`s up with all the flags??? Is it so you guys know you`re still in America and not in Mexico or Canada? Just to be sure?"... The guy looked strange if i said something russian or something...

same here, there is only one nation dumb enuff to plaster their red/white/blue crap all over the country ... idiotic crap

proud to be a nation of torture, drone assassination and terror? go ahead and place a starspangled piece of toiletpaper in your window ...

Struggle4Bucks · 12-03-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.

Struggle4Bucks · 12-03-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.

We don't do that over here ANYMORE... let's say... since 1945...

dgraves · 12-03-2012, 08:00 PM

If you have to ask...

georgeyw · 12-03-2012, 08:00 PM

I love this.

Every argument on gfy goes like this.

I think this way therefore you are an idiot.

AutumnBH · 12-03-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.

In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.

dgraves · 12-03-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnBH

In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.

You can say that about any tradition.

crazydollars · 12-03-2012, 08:30 PM

Fronk is retard

Killswitch · 12-03-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

We don't do that over here ANYMORE... let's say... since 1945...

Shhhhh, people in 3rd world countries are still catching up with the times. Hey did you hear about that new awesome show airing over seas? Oh man, Hogan's Heroes you should watch it!

Wait until M.A.S.H. hits, their minds will be blown! Good ole Hawkeye!

Horatio Caine · 12-03-2012, 10:40 PM

I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

Makaveli · 12-04-2012, 12:03 AM

Easy to feel that way when you live in a country that doesn't stand for anything..

OneHungLo · 12-04-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

Emil · 12-04-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

You're saying you're proud of all the wars USA have started?

adult-help · 12-04-2012, 01:35 AM

i guess flags represent something. it's not literal . you dont burn flag, you burn what it stands for.

that said i dont give fuck about flags too.

Captain Kawaii · 12-04-2012, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

So tell us, Joe. Exactly why did the US sit on its hands for 2 years while the Nazi's and the Gestapo were going apeshit? Why did the US turn its back on Jewish immigrants that Hitler tried to expel when no one would accept them?

Why did the US sit by while American oil companies fueled Nazi submarines in the Bahamas, with gas, oil and food supplies then sent them on their way up the east coast to blow up supply ships headed for the allies in Europe.

According to Ken Burns 25% of American soldiers went into battle in ww2 with unloaded weapons. They did not want to be there. Interviews with them said as much.

My family has been in this land since 1701 fighting with and against Indians and in every war since then. Frankly, we are sick of war to profit the rich. Let's be honest Joe. The American Revolution was the rich against the rich. The common people had to be lied to and cajoled and fooled to get them to fight. They had no truck in it until a rich guy fooled him. That's historical fact, sir.

Nothing against your dad as my father served in Patton's 3rd Army. He received a bronze star from Patton himself.

C'mon Joe, drink some coffee and put down the koolaid.

These days the flag represents oppression and aggression against enemies of the free market.

Struggle4Bucks · 12-04-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

That`s right the dutch don`t wage wars... they became on of the most wealthy places on earth because of trade, not because of war. But for your history catch up: The dutch ruled the world before America even existed. And let me tell you the people in New York speaked dutch when it was still called New Amsterdam. But.... it would be very childish to be proud of that. As a mather of fact... you could might as well call America The United States of European Immigrants. So if you really want to be proud of something you should not forget where you all really came from

Struggle4Bucks · 12-04-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

Easy to feel that way when you live in a country that doesn't stand for anything..

The country i live in don`t force me to stand for what ever the country wants me to stand for... And they are damn right... because i would be out of there.

Struggle4Bucks · 12-04-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

So tell us, Joe. Exactly why did the US sit on its hands for 2 years while the Nazi's and the Gestapo were going apeshit? Why did the US turn its back on Jewish immigrants that Hitler tried to expel when no one would accept them?

Why did the US sit by while American oil companies fueled Nazi submarines in the Bahamas, with gas, oil and food supplies then sent them on their way up the east coast.

Correct... America helped Hitler into power as a counterpower for Communist Russia. Soon maddog Hitler turned out of control and the rest is history.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

According to Ken Burns 25% of American soldiers went into battle in ww2 with unloaded weapons. They did not want to be there. Interviews with them said as much.

Correct... there was absolutely no interest among the American public to go to WW2 after the devastations of WW1. They had the feeling they were tricked in with nice talk about freedom and democracy. Freedom and Democracy would not be enough for American public to go to war again. American Government wanted to go to WW2 so they looked the other way when the Japanese bomb the shit out of Pearl Harbor. Now that was enough for the American Public to go to war.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Nothing against your dad as my father served in Patton's 3rd Army. He received a bronze star from Patton himself.

Respect to your father's and the ones that fought and died in the wars. It's too bad that
people don't know about politics and the way they manipulate the public. Most recent example:
weapons of massdestruction in Irak. If anyone has family or friends lost there, you should all be
proud of them but be very mad at your government the same time.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

These days the flag represents oppression and aggression against enemies of the free market.

Speaking about the free market... We all do know about the reason why America entered WW2, or do we not? There is a history for the common people and a history off the record. Why did American government want to go to war? They signed a deal with England, saying that the US would help ONLY if Europe would open their markets for American products after the war. If you want to tell me America fought for their own business... fine! Why not! Just don`t come with the ideals like defending liberty and democracy. Because it was nothing like that.

Dirty F · 12-04-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by adult-help

i guess flags represent something. it's not literal . you dont burn flag, you burn what it stands for.

that said i dont give fuck about flags too.

Funny how all these idiots think i don't understand that a flag stNds for something. You have to be close to retardation if you seriously think i don't understand something as basic as that.
Goddamn morons on this forum. They keep amazing me with their stupidity every single day.

grumpy · 12-04-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Funny how all these idiots think i don't understand that a flag stNds for something. You have to be close to retardation if you seriously think i don't understand something as basic as that.
Goddamn morons on this forum. They keep amazing me with their stupidity every single day.

thats funny coming from you. Your a funny guy.

nico-t · 12-04-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AutumnBH

In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.

absolutely, it isn't mind-controlish, it's blatant mind control/brainwashing.

Makaveli · 12-04-2012, 09:44 AM

Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.

Struggle4Bucks · 12-04-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.

Probably chocolate and cigarets

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...

sperbonzo · 12-04-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Probably chocolate and cigarets

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...

You've solved it! FLAGS CAUSED WWII!!!

Get rid of them, and wars go away.

There's THAT problem solved. Next?

.

.

DamianJ · 12-04-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.

Bacon, maple syrup and ice hockey.

Makaveli · 12-04-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Probably chocolate and cigarets

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...

Ya sure, moron.

Struggle4Bucks · 12-04-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli

Ya sure, moron.

oh... you're calling me moron... what an aggression... you're probably the first in line to fight in a war for your collours. Please do that!

you know what... i'm stepping out of this war...
I didn't quit my study history/minor filosophy for nothing...
I was more interested in business... and this shit is keeping me off that!

Unbelievable how one can be sucked into a discussion which will lead to nothing...
same as all these wars that lead to nothing.... learned something again today.

The only thing that i was trying to say that nationalism is a dangerous thing
and also pretty stupid if you consider yourself as being an individual.

Everyone needs to think what he wants or not... and i respect that, because i'm not
"hacked by Johnny" but it seems to me that the more nationalistic people are... the more they tend to disrespect other peoples worldviews and believes. Sieg Heil! (sarcasm)

_Richard_ · 12-04-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

That`s right the dutch don`t wage wars... they became on of the most wealthy places on earth because of trade, not because of war. But for your history catch up: The dutch ruled the world before America even existed. And let me tell you the people in New York speaked dutch when it was still called New Amsterdam. But.... it would be very childish to be proud of that. As a mather of fact... you could might as well call America The United States of European Immigrants. So if you really want to be proud of something you should not forget where you all really came from

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dutch+and+privateering

Joe Obenberger · 12-04-2012, 11:30 AM

I do disagree that World War II led to "nothing". You should ask the people of China, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong, France, Holland, Denmark, the Scandanavian countires, Greece. etc. I think that rather a lot was accomplished by the Allies. We all worked together in concert and achieved something most remarkable. Many wars accomplish significant results for the good. Ask anyone living in Seoul today. And when some wars are lost, significant tragedy results. Though you really won't be able to ask the people living in Ho Chi Minh city, you can check with the Vietnamese immigrant community and ask them just a few questions about how tough it was to leave Vietnam, why they did so, and the many tragic stories they know of the people who didn't make it out. I'm proud that troops carrying the United States flag suffered and died for the freedom of France and many millions all throughout the World, and just as proud that when Charles DeGaul asked us to pick up our troop and depart, we did so without delay. We came as Liberators, not as conquerers, and when the French thought our presence was no longer needed to assure their freedom, the Liberators left. The French may have left the military component of NATO, but of course they remained part of the alliance; I recall a change of command ceremony at First Infantry in Goeppingen at which all the allies attended; and most remarkably, I remember the French Flag, the French Commander, and standing at attention for the playing of the French National Anthem, too. They were, with us, the Brits, and the Canadians, maintaining watch in Germany for the security of Western Europe. Whatever trash anyone wants to say about this country and its flag, let them say it. Our First Amendment means that it is no crime even to burn our flag. I am proud of that, too. This is a country that has gone to war to defend the freedom of other people in far distant lands, and there are only a few nations that can say the same, notably the Brits, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Indeed, it's tragic that the practicalities of defeating the Nazis left the Soviets masters of Eastern Europe. However, we never lost faith with those people and worked for decades to put pressure on the house that Stalin built until in ultimately collapsed. In Chicago, we have an enormous Polish population. Ask Poles why the Communist empire collapsed and what they think of the US role in that. It took many hands to accomplish it, from the people of the captive nations to the Pope, but the US hand was steady in its pressure over those many years,and it cannot fairly be said by anyone that when the end came, and when freedom came, it was not something that the Americans massively influenced. Indeed proud of that flag and what it stands for.

Dirty F · 12-04-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

I do disagree that World War II led to "nothing". You should ask the people of China, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong, France, Holland, Denmark, the Scandanavian countires, Greece. etc. I think that rather a lot was accomplished by the Allies. We all worked together in concert and achieved something most remarkable. Many wars accomplish significant results for the good. Ask anyone living in Seoul today. And when some wars are lost, significant tragedy results. Though you really won't be able to ask the people living in Ho Chi Minh city, you can check with the Vietnamese immigrant community and ask them just a few questions about how tough it was to leave Vietnam, why they did so, and the many tragic stories they know of the people who didn't make it out. I'm proud that troops carrying the United States flag suffered and died for the freedom of France and many millions all throughout the World, and just as proud that when Charles DeGaul asked us to pick up our troop and depart, we did so without delay. We came as Liberators, not as conquerers, and when the French thought our presence was no longer needed to assure their freedom, the Liberators left. The French may have left the military component of NATO, but of course they remained part of the alliance; I recall a change of command ceremony at First Infantry in Goeppingen at which all the allies attended; and most remarkably, I remember the French Flag, the French Commander, and standing at attention for the playing of the French National Anthem, too. They were, with us, the Brits, and the Canadians, maintaining watch in Germany for the security of Western Europe. Whatever trash anyone wants to say about this country and its flag, let them say it. Our First Amendment means that it is no crime even to burn our flag. I am proud of that, too. This is a country that has gone to war to defend the freedom of other people in far distant lands, and there are only a few nations that can say the same, notably the Brits, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Indeed, it's tragic that the practicalities of defeating the Nazis left the Soviets masters of Eastern Europe. However, we never lost faith with those people and worked for decades to put pressure on the house that Stalin built until in ultimately collapsed. In Chicago, we have an enormous Polish population. Ask Poles why the Communist empire collapsed and what they think of the US role in that. It took many hands to accomplish it, from the people of the captive nations to the Pope, but the US hand was steady in its pressure over those many years,and it cannot fairly be said by anyone that when the end came, and when freedom came, it was not something that the Americans massively influenced. Indeed proud of that flag and what it stands for.

Were you part of any of that or just so happen to live in a country where others took part in it? And it does involve you in any way whatsoever?
Nevermind, i know the answer already.

Joe Obenberger · 12-04-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Were you part of any of that or just so happen to live in a country where others took part in it? And it does involve you in any way whatsoever?
Nevermind, i know the answer already.

It's not about me, of course, and what you want is an opening for argument ad hominem. This really is hardly the place for me to set out my life story, or that of my family, but in every sense I am part of it. I have nothing to brag about personally, and I have not made the kind of sacrifices that heroes are made of. I merely gave my life over to the United States for eleven years, four of them on a full-time basis - under oath to do anything asked of me consistent with the Constitution, surrendering ultimate power to control my destiny and life to others who had taken the same oaths that I did. But I'll give you enough to see that I'm no hypocrite. I've lived a life devoted to principles: human Liberty is the center of my life - it always has been - and my professional career.

My German immigrant great-grandfather, at the age of 16 defied the wishes of his family and enlisted in the 47th Wisconsin Volunteers, ready to sacrifice his life to save the Union and end slavery, to end the enslavement of persons acquired by Dutch slave traders, transported here by Dutch ships so inhumanely packed with human cargo as to result in typical 20-30% mortality rates during the journey, and sold to agrarian Americans in the South. My grandfather was drafted in World War I but he was not called on to fight in the War to End All Wars. My father had a draft exemption but enlisted in 1942 in order to stop the Japanese assault on Asia and the German assault on Europe. During the Vietnam war, at the age of 18, I took an oath of enlistment and was a member of one military component or another for 11 years; I enlisted mainly to demonstrate that my beliefs were not just abstract parlor talk like that of so many of my friends in the Young Republicans, but that I would put my life where my mouth was - and that decision had huge consequences for the course of my life. Ready, willing, and able to travel to Vietnam and kill as many Communists as I could. What they did to the civilians at Hue awakened me as a kid and motivated me to fight this scourge of human dignity and freedom with my very person. Before I went on active duty, the war in Vietnam had ended due to apathy here at home and a lack of will to fight for American principles to benefit victims of Stalinist tyranny on distant Asian shores. During the whole course of the Cold War, when I was not part of it in person, or elected to modest public office, I was an activist for military spending, concentrated in Communism and Nationalism in Eastern Europe in school, and last, but not least, paid taxes, glad to be working for the Liberation of Europe. I continue to fight for the same values against every kind of repression of thought and expression here as a lawyer, and in having the honor of representing pornographers, I believe that I am fighting on the forward edge of the battle area in the struggle for Liberty. Copyright, trademark, 2257, and all that stuff keeps me going until I can snag an obscenity case to try before an American jury and win it by arguing from the tradition of Liberty in the history of this free people.

That's enough.

Phoenix · 12-04-2012, 12:53 PM

volumes being spoken by some here...and i dont mean length of post.

you all be posting in a troll thread

Killswitch · 12-04-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Were you part of any of that or just so happen to live in a country where others took part in it? And it does involve you in any way whatsoever?
Nevermind, i know the answer already.

Not trying to argue with you Franck, but many of us in the USA have a long line of family members who've been part of all these historic events in war, it's about honoring our family and their scarifies they made, whether I personally was in the war or not.

Dirty F · 12-04-2012, 12:59 PM

Tl;dr

....

_Richard_ · 12-04-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

volumes being spoken by some here...and i dont mean length of post.

you all be posting in a troll thread

it's art dammit

madko · 12-04-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

How much of your identity is a combination of your father and mother identities? Who are you if not a sum of all your ancestors(maybe a bit upgraded)?
It's funny how more than 90% of you don't give a shit about your country flag but if anything bad is said about your ipad(or preferred device/company), you jump UP.

It's useless to try to explain simple things, like patriotism, national symbols or to respect your ancestors, I won't get into that.
I'll try it another way.
Flags and other heraldic symbols of a country, used to be just as today logos are for companies(and much more). It's a bit exaggerated, but flags made(and still make some of us) proud of wearing as a ipod looser is to wearing his headphones.
Today's "cooler people" are just a community bond by Apple logo.
Patriots, are communities bond by flags, borders, blood lost by their grand parents, same suffering, same joy, same traditions, same language, same ancestors, same heroes same etc.
And in general we are all the same, we are just part of a different community.

(I also believe companies are the "new countries", but that's another thread)

madko · 12-04-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

ever heard of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years%27_War

pornmasta · 12-04-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

volumes being spoken by some here...and i dont mean length of post.

you all be posting in a troll thread

paul markham !

scarlettcontent · 12-04-2012, 02:07 PM

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Joe Obenberger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 466	I do disagree that World War II led to "nothing". You should ask the people of China, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong, France, Holland, Denmark, the Scandanavian countires, Greece. etc. I think that rather a lot was accomplished by the Allies. We all worked together in concert and achieved something most remarkable. Many wars accomplish significant results for the good. Ask anyone living in Seoul today. And when some wars are lost, significant tragedy results. Though you really won't be able to ask the people living in Ho Chi Minh city, you can check with the Vietnamese immigrant community and ask them just a few questions about how tough it was to leave Vietnam, why they did so, and the many tragic stories they know of the people who didn't make it out. I'm proud that troops carrying the United States flag suffered and died for the freedom of France and many millions all throughout the World, and just as proud that when Charles DeGaul asked us to pick up our troop and depart, we did so without delay. We came as Liberators, not as conquerers, and when the French thought our presence was no longer needed to assure their freedom, the Liberators left. The French may have left the military component of NATO, but of course they remained part of the alliance; I recall a change of command ceremony at First Infantry in Goeppingen at which all the allies attended; and most remarkably, I remember the French Flag, the French Commander, and standing at attention for the playing of the French National Anthem, too. They were, with us, the Brits, and the Canadians, maintaining watch in Germany for the security of Western Europe. Whatever trash anyone wants to say about this country and its flag, let them say it. Our First Amendment means that it is no crime even to burn our flag. I am proud of that, too. This is a country that has gone to war to defend the freedom of other people in far distant lands, and there are only a few nations that can say the same, notably the Brits, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Indeed, it's tragic that the practicalities of defeating the Nazis left the Soviets masters of Eastern Europe. However, we never lost faith with those people and worked for decades to put pressure on the house that Stalin built until in ultimately collapsed. In Chicago, we have an enormous Polish population. Ask Poles why the Communist empire collapsed and what they think of the US role in that. It took many hands to accomplish it, from the people of the captive nations to the Pope, but the US hand was steady in its pressure over those many years,and it cannot fairly be said by anyone that when the end came, and when freedom came, it was not something that the Americans massively influenced. Indeed proud of that flag and what it stands for. __________________ Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. . . Restraint in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Last edited by Joe Obenberger; 12-04-2012 at 11:39 AM..

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Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	volumes being spoken by some here...and i dont mean length of post. you all be posting in a troll thread __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

12-03-2012, 08:30 PM	#59
crazydollars So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 146	Fronk is retard

12-03-2012, 10:40 PM	#61
Horatio Caine full-time aspiring rapper Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 5,746	I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

12-04-2012, 12:03 AM	#62
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	Easy to feel that way when you live in a country that doesn't stand for anything..

12-04-2012, 09:44 AM	#73
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.

12-04-2012, 12:59 PM	#85
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Tl;dr ....

12-04-2012, 02:07 PM	#90
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