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EddyTheDog · 12-16-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we can absolutely agree on that - CZ has similar gun laws as the US and in Switzerland almost every grown male has a rifle at home - yet the deaths by gun crime in those countries is like 10 or 20 a year - not 30,000

Because in CZ they don't see the guns as weapons to use against each other - They are not seen immediately as something to kill other people.

DWB · 12-16-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

But then they would have to agree that it's god's will that there are homosexuals and everything else that they protest, after all it's god's will or it wouldn't exist.. See how that works.

Can't argue it's god's will for one thing while saying another is an abomination.

And that is the obvious error to their idea about God's will. But that will never make sense to them.

mikesinner · 12-16-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

But then they would have to agree that it's god's will that there are homosexuals and everything else that they protest, after all it's god's will or it wouldn't exist.. See how that works.

Can't argue it's god's will for one thing while saying another is an abomination.

There is no such thing as christian logic.

TheSquealer · 12-16-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we can absolutely agree on that - CZ has similar gun laws as the US and in Switzerland almost every grown male has a rifle at home - yet the deaths by gun crime in those countries is like 10 or 20 a year - not 30,000

This is also what bothers me about these discussions in the US, incidentally. No one asks "what the fuck is up with the parents" which should be the very first question. Instead, its "what music did he listen to", "what video games did he play", "why didn't the school spot this sooner", "it must be vaccines", "it must be additives in food" etc etc. all directing attention away from the real issue and turning it into idiotic gun debate or the need to censor video games... even though its quite obvious that stuff all applies to any developed country and they do not have the same issues.

It's a cultural thing. Everything in the USA is politically correct. There is this growing collective narcissism, where no ones to blame, no one can be called out and a firm belief that its no ones business. You can't demand more of anyone cause nothing is there fault and you're just the asshole.

The true tragedy is that people won't stop and take a look and who they were, who they are and where they are going as a society. It's just so much easier to lay blame and move on.

People make fun of religion but at least in the absence of nationalism, it gives some sort of framework for conduct and whats expected and a social contract. It's not without problems, but then again, neither is the absence of religion.

crockett · 12-16-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

There is no such thing as christian logic.

It's not just Christians..

SilentKnight · 12-16-2012, 03:06 PM

Whether you consider the vile hatred spewed by the WBC to be freedom of speech or unlawful hate-mongering...it comes down to the fact they are merely disgusting pissants devoid of human compassion or understanding.

Imagine a world where the energy spent arguing in this thread was re-directed at finding a solution to prevent similiar massacres of innocent children in the future.

kronic · 12-16-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

if you're a die hard christian who belives in god's will, then you have to believe that he in fact killed those kids. so in a sick way, they have a point. it's just a shame god has not shown these idiots his wrath.

Actually, the typical christian response would be along the lines of, "God created man and they act of their OWN free will". Essentially giving god a pass.

Of course, when a christian sees something they themselves deem miraculous, it's THEN "the will of god" and he should be thanked.

So basically, god has nothing to do with anything bad that happens and should NEVER be blamed, but should be thanked for everything good that exists or happens in the world, because THAT'S his plan. Ya know, like someone winning a Grammy or a Super Bowl MVP.

We try to teach our children to take responsibility for their actions, but god only wants to accept credit for the good things and pass on the blame for bad things? I wouldn't be friends with someone like this let alone spend my life WORSHIPING them.

crockett · 12-16-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is also what bothers me about these discussions in the US, incidentally. No one asks "what the fuck is up with the parents" which should be the very first question. Instead, its "what music did he listen to", "what video games did he play", "why didn't the school spot this sooner", "it must be vaccines", "it must be additives in food" etc etc. all directing attention away from the real issue and turning it into idiotic gun debate or the need to censor video games... even though its quite obvious that stuff all applies to any developed country and they do not have the same issues.

It's a cultural thing. Everything in the USA is politically correct. There is this growing collective narcissism, where no ones to blame, no one can be called out and a firm belief that its no ones business. You can't demand more of anyone cause nothing is there fault and you're just the asshole.

The true tragedy is that people won't stop and take a look and who they were, who they are and where they are going as a society. It's just so much easier to lay blame and move on.

People make fun of religion but at least in the absence of nationalism, it gives some sort of framework for conduct and whats expected and a social contract. It's not without problems, but then again, neither is the absence of religion.

Wanna know about his parents? Humm so far the media has said his mother had a very survivalist mentality and she pulled him out of school and "home schooled" him & his father wasn't very prevalent in his life. Not to mention the mother was very much into guns and took her sons to the gun range a lot.

Sooo.. what type of people are usually the types of people that home school their children, worry about the doomsday & have a bunch of guns lying around?

Humm my first guess isn't those dirty liberals that want free health care, but maybe I can get a second guess..

Does it not seem just a little bit odd to you that pretty much every one of the teenage shooters in these mass shootings always comes from a home where guns are common place and have usually had a very Conservative upbringing?

Now I'm not against guns as guns are just a tool, but I am for responsibility when it comes to them. However it sure seems to me that it isn't always society that has a problem with responsible gun usage, but usually certain groups with-in that society..

TheSquealer · 12-16-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I find it funny that you have gone off on a rant rampage because I said free speech & hate mongering are not the same thing.

But carry on.. you still seem mad enough to go another 2 or 3 pages.

Interesting that you have to keep saying i'm angry in the absence of anything of substance to say.

And still you have no clue that "freedom of speech" means as what they do falls within the bounds of protected speech, no matter how you try to characterize it. Something can't be "the same thing" as free speech. Either its protected speech, or its not. But keep calling me angry, since you have nothing of value - or even anything coherent and intelligible to say.

TheSquealer · 12-16-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

So you feel justified in blaming video games & music but not guns? That sounds awfully right wingish too me..

Hahaha wow dude. Thats what you got from what I wrote?

I gave you too much credit. Way too much credit.

I suppose its my fault, as I shouldn't be surprised.

GrantMercury · 12-17-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BladeZ

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http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/worl...gain-0031728-1
link to that info is in the article

Fucking awesome!

Tom_PM · 12-17-2012, 01:16 PM

Guns are not allowed to be an issue in mass shootings? That's a fascinating argument, please lie down on the couch and tell me more.

By the way, this organization has taught me one thing: God Loves Idiots

Phillipmcd1 · 12-17-2012, 01:18 PM

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JFK · 12-17-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Why are you so angry? Is your mom a Westboro Baptist church member?

GrantMercury · 12-17-2012, 01:36 PM

The impression is that they're just a bunch of dumb hicks, but many of them have law degrees, and the old codger that runs the show is an experienced lawyer. The fuckers make money when they're attacked for intentionally provoking the grieving. These pig twats aren't simply voicing their beliefs. They're working the system.

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The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.

"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."

When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/02/134198...baptist-church

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