27 reported killed in Newton, Conn., school shooting

[brassmonkey]

NEWTOWN, Conn. -- A lone gunman killed 27 people at an elementary school here, including 18 children, in a terrifying early Friday morning shooting spree.

The Associated Press and local media reported the shooter, an unidentified adult male, was also dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Two handguns were recovered at the scene. Mayor Mark Boughton said several victims had been taken to local hospitals.

Groups of students ? some crying, some holding hands ? were being escorted away from the school by their teachers. Some witnesses reported of up to 100 shots.

The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School is the latest in a series mass shootings in the U.S. this year, including Tuesday's assault by a lone gunman at a Portland, OR., shopping mall that left two dead and one wounded.

Sandy Hook is in a residential, wooded neighborhood about 90 minutes north of New York City. It has has 39 teachers and about 650 students. A reverse 911 call went out to parents warning of an incident. Parents were being reunited with children. But, NBC Connecticut reported, police were searching the area behind the school with guns drawn.

Terese Lestik was relieved to find her five year old daughter, Eva, unharmed.

"I heard a boom-boom,'' Eva said of the gunshots she heard earlier.

"I'm horrified,'' said Terese Lestik. "I just pray for whoever is hurt."

Alexis Wasik, a third-grader at the school, said police were checking everybody inside the school before they were escorted to the firehouse. She said she heard shots and saw her former nursery school teacher being taken out of the building on a stretcher, but didn't know if the woman had been shot.

"We had to walk with a partner," said Wasik, 8. One child leaving the school said that there was shattered glass everywhere. A police officer ran into the classroom and told them to run outside and keep going until the reach the firehouse, The Hartford Courant reported.

Dozens of state troopers are on the scene assisting local police. Heavily armed police gathered in front of the school around 10:45 a.m., and a number of stretchers were set up.

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[Yanks_Todd]

18 children killed as last reported.... After I read the story I looked on CNN for the stories of the 18 children saved last night because their parents had shot burglars with their after market AR-15s and for the tales of how the militias protected us from the government
thugs roaming around Kirkland, WA, but didn't find any.

I must have missed them. Maybe the NRA can start pointing those out. Grow up America

[digitaldivas]

Fuck that guy! Piece of fucking shit. So pissed right now. Children are innocent

[mamaliga]

wtf is wrong with these people

[JFK]

Originally Posted by mamaliga

wtf is wrong with these people

fucking retards are coming out of the woodwork

[RyuLion]

CNN says 20, another sources says 28..

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

18 children killed as last reported.... After I read the story I looked on CNN for the stories of the 18 children saved last night because their parents had shot burglars with their after market AR-15s and for the tales of how the militias protected us from the government
thugs roaming around Kirkland, WA, but didn't find any.

I must have missed them. Maybe the NRA can start pointing those out. Grow up America

Actually those stories happen almost every day, and the NRA does put them together....

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

However the national media ignores and buries those stories, since self defense doesnt fit the agenda....





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[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

Fuck that guy! Piece of fucking shit. So pissed right now. Children are innocent

i am with you, goddamit motherfucking fucking scumbag who did this.
people will never outlive this, the parents will suffer their losses for life.
goddamit i hope there is an afterlife where this prick will get his share.

[crazydollars]

If only the children were allowed to conceal carry, this would have only resulted in one casualty.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually those stories happen almost every day, and the NRA does put them together....

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

However the national media ignores and buries those stories, since self defense doesnt fit the agenda....

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BINGO!!!! "The News" ALWAYS has an agenda, for its sheeple..

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

If only the children were allowed to conceal carry, this would have only resulted in one casualty.

yes but the national media ignores that fact since self defense doesnt fit the agenda.

[brassmonkey]

it starts with family. now their saying he may have killed his mother. Ryan Lanza is his name no photo yet

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually those stories happen almost every day, and the NRA does put them together....

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

However the national media ignores and buries those stories, since self defense doesnt fit the agenda....

.

Interesting page. However if you go go back 28 posting (the deal toll as I saw it last reported) It takes you back to August 10, four months ago. Of those 28 listing, in 15 of them the intruder had a gun. I think most of the 15 would still have a gun if gun laws were changed, but some wouldn't. I will say 25% wouldn't. If so that would add another month equation.

So 5 months of "great news stories" that equate to 1, 1-hour incident.

Challenging ratio to defend don't you think? Actually it's impossible

Thanks for the page though, I am going to analyze a year and come up with other stats, such as.

In how many of these cases was the "bad guy" mitigated with no shots fired or less then a normal clip? Thus eliminating the need for the ridiculous amount of ammo some guns can hold.

In how many cases was the gun the home owner used a shotgun, a hunting rifle or a normal handgun?

Were hollow point bullets ever needed?

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

BINGO!!!! "The News" ALWAYS has an agenda, for its sheeple..

Actually I heard about this right away.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/T...182549741.html

Once again the problem is that the "good guy wins" story happens at a greater then 100-1 ration so the news doesn't have enough content.

[Si]

I just heard over 30 people killed on the news

[digitaldivas]

its 27 total, 20 of the children

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

This is what happens when you spank/abuse your children

yeah his mother is one of the teachers killed. don't cancel the world of warcraft account and dont turn off their cell phone.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually those stories happen almost every day, and the NRA does put them together....

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

However the national media ignores and buries those stories, since self defense doesnt fit the agenda....





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This page doesn't even have all of them.

[DWB]

Damn. That is beyond horrible. If you're going to go on a killing spree at least kill people who deserve it, such as war mongers, violent criminals, rapists, child molesters, the people at Cloud Flare, and so on.

[crockett]

Bet you it was one of these end of the world nut jobs..

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

the tales of how the militias protected us from the government
thugs roaming around Kirkland, WA, but didn't find any.

The thing about the 2nd Amendment is that it doesn't need to be used until it's taken away...

They have never tried to take it away yet, therefore you obviously won't see militias fighting the government anywhere.

The 2nd Amendment has to do with being able to protect a free state, and guess what? We are still a free state. It's ridiculous that you would even bring up militias fighting the government somewhere right now at this time when there is no tyranny.

Guns are not the problem. Do you realize how many people own guns? How many of them shoot up schools? Like 0.000001% of them... you just see the media blast an isolated incident on the front page of everything and you freak out about guns like you're supposed to....

"Oh my god! I'm so scared of guns! They're gonna get us all!" lol, quit buying into the media's fear that they push on you...

[bronco67]

Hmmmm...another AR-15 shooting.

We'll never ban guns -- but we could probably stand to have a lot less of them floating around the country. Especially something like a Bushmaster assault rifle with a 25 round clip.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Hmmmm...another AR-15 shooting.

We'll never ban guns -- but we could probably stand to have a lot less of them floating around the country. Especially something like a Bushmaster assault rifle with a 25 round clip.

The model of the gun is irrelevant...

What is relevant is the psychology of the person controlling the gun... what went wrong there? No one wants to talk about that, they just want to talk about the inanimate objects: guns.

It's like people think the guy was totally normal but then happened to see a gun one day and automatically got hypnotized by it's presence and was convinced he had to use it to go kill people. lol

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

The model of the gun is irrelevant...

What is relevant is the psychology of the person controlling the gun... what went wrong there? No one wants to talk about that, they just want to talk about the inanimate objects: guns.

It's like people think the guy was totally normal but then happened to see a gun one day and automatically got hypnotized by it's presence and was convinced he had to use it to go kill people. lol

the model of the gun is very relevant.

If he used a bolt action rifle(or something with a smaller clip size) because it was almost impossible to casually own a military assault rifle, then maybe a lot less children would have been killed today.

See what I'm saying?

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

The 2nd Amendment has to do with being able to protect a free state, and guess what? We are still a free state.

Protect our state from what? Are you talking about protecting us from China with AR-15s

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Guns are not the problem. Do you realize how many people own guns? How many of them shoot up schools? Like 0.000001% of them... you just see the media blast an isolated incident on the front page of everything and you freak out about guns like you're supposed to....

I am talking about the net benefit of a product on society. I just posted data from the NRA that shows less then 100 use cases of that product that showed the desired result. Compare that to 11k use cases with an undesirable. That is less then 1%

That is literally like a cancer treatment killing 99 people for every one it saves. That is logical to you?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by bronco67

the model of the gun is very relevant.

If he used a bolt action rifle(or something with a smaller clip size) because it was almost impossible to casually own a military assault rifle, then maybe a lot less children would have been killed today.

See what I'm saying?

"If" he did this and "If" he did that... pointless speculation.

The problem here is that he was fucked up in the head for some reason, not which type of gun he chose to use.

Everyone just wants to stay focused on inanimate objects instead of the real problem, which is the psychology of these people who want to kill. Guns didn't make them that way.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Protect our state from what? Are you talking about protecting us from China with AR-15s

Protect our state from what? What the fuck do you think? Tyranny... maybe you need to look up the definition of the word. And it's more likely to emerge from within our own government than to come in the form of "China." China doesn't write our laws.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

The thing about the 2nd Amendment is that it doesn't need to be used until it's taken away...

They have never tried to take it away yet, therefore you obviously won't see militias fighting the government anywhere.

The 2nd Amendment has to do with being able to protect a free state, and guess what? We are still a free state. It's ridiculous that you would even bring up militias fighting the government somewhere right now at this time when there is no tyranny.

Guns are not the problem. Do you realize how many people own guns? How many of them shoot up schools? Like 0.000001% of them... you just see the media blast an isolated incident on the front page of everything and you freak out about guns like you're supposed to....

"Oh my god! I'm so scared of guns! They're gonna get us all!" lol, quit buying into the media's fear that they push on you...

22 children stabbed in china today.. gun control seems to be a knee jerk reaction

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I am talking about the net benefit of a product on society. I just posted data from the NRA that shows less then 100 use cases of that product that showed the desired result. Compare that to 11k use cases with an undesirable. That is less then 1%

That is literally like a cancer treatment killing 99 people for every one it saves. That is logical to you?

Not sure what "desired result" you're talking about, but the 2nd Amendment says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state."

It only has to do with a last resort chance to protect our republic against tyranny, should it ever arise, it has nothing to do with hunting or sport or whatever else people think it's about.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

We already have all the guns in the world and our government still does what they want...

Maybe you don't know what true tyranny is...

The current state of the United States most definitely is not tyranny.

You ain't seen shit yet Johnny boy...

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

22 children stabbed in china today.. gun control seems to be a knee jerk reaction

Those damn knives, they should be outlawed world-wide...

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Protect our state from what? What the fuck do you think?

First my compliments on use of the eff bomb, it shows both poise and intelligence in a debate.

But now I get it, your saying we need the assault rifles to fight the tanks, drones, missiles, bombs, ATFs, assault helicopters, aircraft carriers, and special forces of the Tyrannical U.S. government.

Well of course, because we could win then. Everybody knows an AR-15 can sink a carrier and you just look silly with a shotgun.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

First my compliments on use of the eff bomb, it shows both poise and intelligence in a debate.

You're upset about the word "fuck" on a sleazy porn message board? lol, you are obviously way too corny to be taken seriously...

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

But now I get it, your saying we need the assault rifles to fight the tanks, drones, missiles, bombs, ATFs, assault helicopters, aircraft carriers, and special forces of the Tyrannical U.S. government.

Well of course, because we could win then. Everybody knows an AR-15 can sink a carrier and you just look silly with a shotgun.

Ah yes, another sad fool who would rather have ZERO chance against tyranny instead of at least some sort of small chance...

Most of the public can't wait to be completely defenseless, they love it...

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Not sure what "desired result" you're talking about, but the 2nd Amendment says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state."

It only has to do with a last resort chance to protect our republic against tyranny, should it ever arise, it has nothing to do with hunting or sport or whatever else people think it's about.

Good argument in 1789

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Ah yes, another sad fool who would rather have ZERO chance against tyranny instead of at least some sort of small chance...

Most of the public can't wait to be completely defenseless, they love it...

I compete and do well at whatever I do. I am beating you know and I would beat you in that state as well.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You're upset about the word "fuck" on a sleazy porn message board? lol, you are obviously way too corny to be taken seriously...

Being well spoken isn't corny and intelligence can be displayed anywhere.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Good argument in 1789

It's an argument that will always be relevant. The threat of tyranny will always exist, even though people like you have been taught to think otherwise.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Ah yes, another sad fool who would rather have ZERO chance against tyranny instead of at least some sort of small chance...

Most of the public can't wait to be completely defenseless, they love it...

So here is another direct question for you to avoid. An AR-15 against a fighter jet. Define your small chance.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

So here is another direct question for you to avoid. An AR-15 against a fighter jet. Define your small chance.

Fighter jet? What kind of scenario are you talking about? Genocide? lol

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Fighter jet? What kind of scenario are you talking about? Genocide? lol

You are saying we need weapons to fight tyranny. So is this tyranny an army from the past or one that exists now?

INSERT ANSWER HERE


I am just trying to understand the weapons the tyrannical people you are fighting have have that you need assault weapons vs. more conventional personal fire arms. That the key to your revolution is a 30 round clip vs a 10.

INSERT EXPLANATION HERE

[epitome]

I feel so horrible for the victims and their families.

I also feel horrible for Ryan Lanza. He spent the first half of his day confused and telling people it wasn't him and then the second half of his day is him dealing with the fact it was his brother and that his parents are also dead.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

You are saying we need weapons to fight tyranny. So is this tyranny an army from the past or one that exists now?

INSERT ANSWER HERE


I am just trying to understand the weapons the tyrannical people you are fighting have have that you need assault weapons vs. more conventional personal fire arms. That the key to your revolution is a 30 round clip vs a 10.

INSERT EXPLANATION HERE

There is a big difference between tyranny and all-out genocide.

It looks like you have your mind made up on this subject so my "explanations" will be useless to you.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Being well spoken isn't corny and intelligence can be displayed anywhere.

the ability to accept people of many different 'levels' and 'backgrounds is a sign of intelligence too

using what you feel has his intellectual failing as an 'argumentative club' doesn't put you in such a good light either.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

There is a big difference between tyranny and all-out genocide.

It looks like you have your mind made up on this subject so my "explanations" will be useless to you.

Yes, I agree. Tyranny and Genocide are completely unrelated concepts. I agree, your explanations are useless to me, because you can't provide them.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

the ability to accept people of many different 'levels' and 'backgrounds is a sign of intelligence too

using what you feel has his intellectual failing as an 'argumentative club' doesn't put you in such a good light either.

When someone uses "What the fuck do you think?" as an answer to a question it makes it harder to take any of there other points seriously. I was pointing that out and since a bit more shock value goes over well here I didn't do it in a coddling fashion.

Perhaps he should take that as some advice for the future.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

When someone uses "What the fuck do you think?" as an answer to a question it makes it harder to take any of there other points seriously. I was pointing that out and since a bit more shock value goes over well here I didn't do it in a coddling fashion.

Perhaps he should take that as some advice for the future.

StickyGreen?

he's actually being rather polite to you

if this was an argument with me.. lol

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

When someone uses "What the fuck do you think?" as an answer to a question it makes it harder to take any of there other points seriously.

Since you want to nitpick at everything I guess I'll point out that you don't even know the difference between "there" and "their."

And earlier in the thread you said "I am beating you know."

Yea, real genius you are...

[Mutt]

What a nightmare, one that happens all too frequently in America.

And there is no solution, it's the price society pays for the culture it creates(Hollywood, video games etc), freedom of speech, freedom period and yes, the gun culture America was founded on and the 2nd Amendment.

In a country of 330 million to identify and track these types of mentally disturbed people would mean a police state, guns will never go away and our celebration of violence in our entertainment won't go away - it sells.

so 100 people a year including children get massacred a year as the price.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

StickyGreen?

he's actually being rather polite to you

if this was an argument with me.. lol

yeah, but when you are logical it's different