Fabian Won't Be Granted Bail

[mikesouth]

From http://www.mikesouth.com

The article is from a german newspaper

?Der 34-Jährige sei einem Richter vorgeführt worden und bleibe nun erst einmal in Untersuchungshaft?
Which means he was before a judge and remains in remand custody. the systems in europe work quite differently from british/us law.

for Untersuchungshaft (remand custody) the conditions are: there needs to be a high probability of a sentence for the alleged crime.secondly, there needs to be a reason to actually imprison the perp, that can be: danger of flight, danger of conspiracy (influencing witnesses, fucking with evidence), danger of a repetition of the alleged crime.

[HushMoney]

[brassmonkey]

doesnt mean the company stops running. so what he's in jail.

[lbc213]

yawn

8char

[baddog]

I could see the prosecution suggesting he is a flight risk; too bad he can't just turn in his passport

[brassmonkey]

over 60 billion vistors a month on his network dayum

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

I could see the prosecution suggesting he is a flight risk; too bad he can't just turn in his passport

That doesn't work.

1) They could take your passport and you could easily get out of any country via an unauthorized border crossing.

2) You could vanish into the country you're in.

3) It is impossible for them to immediately know if you have a 2nd or even a 3rd passport / citizenship. If I had Fabian's money, I would have a few different passports from a few different countries. And considering he was arrested for suspicion of tax evasion, he is exactly the type of person who would have such a thing, and for exactly that reason.

Sure, they could probably hunt you down and track your ATM, bank, mobile movements, but if you were in deep shit and needed to go off the grid, you could make it very difficult for them to catch you.

[CyberHustler]

At least he got to live it up before all this

[baddog]

I think he has too much to lose to just disappear.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think he has too much to lose to just disappear.

yes I agree

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by DWB

That doesn't work.

1) They could take your passport and you could easily get out of any country via an unauthorized border crossing.

2) You could vanish into the country you're in.

3) It is impossible for them to immediately know if you have a 2nd or even a 3rd passport / citizenship. If I had Fabian's money, I would have a few different passports from a few different countries. And considering he was arrested for suspicion of tax evasion, he is exactly the type of person who would have such a thing, and for exactly that reason.

Sure, they could probably hunt you down and track your ATM, bank, mobile movements, but if you were in deep shit and needed to go off the grid, you could make it very difficult for them to catch you.

Is that right

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by baddog

I could see the prosecution suggesting he is a flight risk; too bad he can't just turn in his passport

Its not the same here - From Germany he can travel to dozens of other countries without showing any documentation.

Originally Posted by baddog

I think he has too much to lose to just disappear.

He has borrowed massive amounts - What has he really got to lose?

Perhaps it is a good time for him to walk (run) away...

Edit: That's the way a German judge may look at it anyway.

[brassmonkey]

drink up

[LouiseLloyd]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

drink up

Licking the fat mans ass won't get you a doughnut.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Is that right

hehe

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think he has too much to lose to just disappear.

Depends. People disappear all the time and relocate to countries without extradition treaties. Everyone has their own reasons why. That's how his two INTERPOL fugitive buddies have been able to avoid being arrested.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Its not the same here - From Germany he can travel to dozens of other countries without showing any documentation.

I know, that is why I said that.

He has borrowed massive amounts - What has he really got to lose?

Perhaps it is a good time for him to walk (run) away...

Edit: That's the way a German judge may look at it anyway.

His company has borrowed a lot; I highly doubt they gave him the loan. I suspect he is doing fine.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by baddog

I know, that is why I said that.




His company has borrowed a lot; I highly doubt they gave him the loan. I suspect he is doing fine.

You think that the German courts will separate Fabian from Manwin?

Maybe...

Remember they will be looking at the risk he will disappear, guilty or not - This is not a trial.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by baddog

I could see the prosecution suggesting he is a flight risk; too bad he can't just turn in his passport

You don't need a passport to leave Germany.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You think that the German courts will separate Fabian from Manwin?

Fabian kinda fucked himself on that (as I've been saying all along). He spent the last two years trying to convince everyone that HE somehow was able to get a giant hundred million dollar bank loan to buy out Mansef.

He documented it in a million ways (including video footage of his stupid keynote speech from last year Internext where he wasted everyone's time with his bragging) that HE is the owner and in control of everything.

So now that he has done that...his ego is going to come back and bite him on the ass. And the REAL owners will probably throw him under the bus as those of us with an ounce of brains knew all along.

The real question for me is if the courts decide to freeze up Manwin's assets.

The AEE show & XBiz show is gonna be pretty thin if that happens. Since Manwin helped cripple the biggest porn companies and then "acquired" them for pennies on the dollar...that could really hurt the trade shows in January if assets are frozen at that time.

There would be a big chunk of the industry out of the game.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by LouiseLloyd

Licking the fat mans ass won't get you a doughnut.

just keepin it real the company doesnt go away maybe the owner. ex. dave thomas died wendy's is still running.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You don't need a passport to leave Germany.

I think we cleared that up already.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

just keepin it real the company doesnt go away maybe the owner. ex. dave thomas died wendy's is still running.

Wendys wasn't the subject of money laundering, tax evasion, and/or a guy running around the world bragging that he (an ex-programer) was somehow able to get a 100 million dollar loan from a bank during the worst economy of our lifetime to buy a porn company.

Fabian's got some explaining to do.
And this time he won't be able to just bullshit his way out of it.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You think that the German courts will separate Fabian from Manwin?

Maybe...

Remember they will be looking at the risk he will disappear, guilty or not - This is not a trial.

I am clear on what is happening.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You don't need a passport to leave Germany.

No kidding?

[EddyTheDog]

I heard that Mr DotCom has a spare room.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Wendys wasn't the subject of money laundering, tax evasion, and/or a guy running around the world bragging that he (an ex-programer) was somehow able to get a 100 million dollar loan from a bank during the worst economy of our lifetime to buy a porn company.

Fabian's got some explaining to do.
And this time he won't be able to just bullshit his way out of it.

so he's gfy guilty? the case hasnt even been in court yet.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

so he's gfy guilty? the case hasnt even been in court yet.

The point is that if you have a brain in your head you and everyone else knew his whole story was bullshit from the beginning.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the authorities have been investigating him for a long time.

I was told 2 years ago that he was about to be arrested by InterPol. Of course that didn't happen. So at first I wondered if maybe nothing was ever going to happen.

Now I'm thinking that the authorities were biding their time and collecting as much evidence as they could.

Now that he is in custody, my opinion is that they are going to go through his shit with a fine tooth comb and find out where all that money really came from in the beginning.

Is Fabian "guilty"? Hell yes! He's guilty of being an obvious front man in what could turn out to be a major conspiracy.
Just speculation on my part.

But my speculation is based on the bullshit that we all watched happen over the last couple of years with Mansef/Manwin/Fabian

My speculation that there is more to this than just tax evasion is just as valid as your speculation that it's all just a lot of over-exaggeration about nothing.

Neither of us really knows. But we're all gonna find out in the upcoming months/years.

[RyuLion]

..he can escape, and disappear. nuf said.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The point is that if you have a brain in your head you and everyone else knew his whole story was bullshit from the beginning.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the authorities have been investigating him for a long time.

I was told 2 years ago that he was about to be arrested by InterPol. Of course that didn't happen. So at first I wondered if maybe nothing was ever going to happen.

Now I'm thinking that the authorities were biding their time and collecting as much evidence as they could.

Now that he is in custody, my opinion is that they are going to go through his shit with a fine tooth comb and find out where all that money really came from in the beginning.

Is Fabian "guilty"? Hell yes! He's guilty of being an obvious front man in what could turn out to be a major conspiracy.
Just speculation on my part.

But my speculation is based on the bullshit that we all watched happen over the last couple of years with Mansef/Manwin/Fabian

My speculation that there is more to this than just tax evasion is just as valid as your speculation that it's all just a lot of over-exaggeration about nothing.

Neither of us really knows. But we're all gonna find out in the upcoming months/years.

ok old man

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

ok old man

WTF??? Why are you trying to insult me? I thought we were discussing Fabian? Have I done something to insult you?

You keyboard warriors never cease to amaze me with the shit you'll type that you wouldn't dream of saying to people in real life.

[EddyTheDog]

....we're all gonna find out in the upcoming months/years......

At least we will have something to talk about.

[CT-Content]

Good, fuck him!

Welcome to reality mother fucker!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

At least we will have something to talk about.

Not only that, but since Manwin has bought so many companies...we may see a very big change in the landscape of the industry if all those other companies are drug down as well.

That's pure speculation on my part. But you just know that govt. prosecutors are salivating at the thought of the big promotion they would get for being the guy who took down the majority of the porn industry in one big swipe.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

WTF??? Why are you trying to insult me? I thought we were discussing Fabian? Have I done something to insult you?

You keyboard warriors never cease to amaze me with the shit you'll type that you wouldn't dream of saying to people in real life.

keyboard warrior? ok

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

keyboard warrior? ok

Yeah, if you're going to insult me like that on a message board for no reason...then you're just a keyboard warrior to me. Not hard to understand.

You certainly wouldn't call me an "old man" to my face. Unless you're just stupid.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, if you're going to insult me like that on a message board for no reason...then you're just a keyboard warrior to me. Not hard to understand.

You certainly wouldn't call me an "old man" to my face. Unless you're just stupid.

i put violence behind me had plenty of that. didnt think calling you a old man was a big deal damn. gramps? abuelo?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Not only that, but since Manwin has bought so many companies...we may see a very big change in the landscape of the industry if all those other companies are drug down as well.

That's pure speculation on my part. But you just know that govt. prosecutors are salivating at the thought of the big promotion they would get for being the guy who took down the majority of the porn industry in one big swipe.

The Germans are on a bit of an anti [internet] porn crusade - That and the anti tax evader crusade all over Europe and its not looking good - I am guessing he is not so happy about being a German about now.

Just don't mention the war....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i put violence behind me had plenty of that. didnt think calling you a old man was a big deal damn. gramps? abuelo?

I can live with "gramps"

Damn you...damn you to hell!!!

Seriously, I wasn't looking for an argument. I was just discussing the subject with you and it felt like I somehow pissed you off and you were attacking me. Sorry for any misunderstanding between us.

p.s.: Fabian is a dick.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I can live with "gramps"

Damn you...damn you to hell!!!

Seriously, I wasn't looking for an argument. I was just discussing the subject with you and it felt like I somehow pissed you off and you were attacking me. Sorry for any misunderstanding between us.

p.s.: Fabian is a dick.

ok Robbie the big tit magnet dont really know him.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

ok Robbie the big tit magnet

I'm more like a useless piece of iron...the big tits themselves are the actual magnet.

[V_RocKs]

I think that it is interesting that German newspaper is so chummy with the prosecution on the matter.

Nice to get updates from them... But it really makes you wonder.

[AutumnBH]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I heard that Mr DotCom has a spare room.

Kim lives just down the road from me and I can assure you that he's got plenty of spare rooms.

Another technically adept hacker and shrewd businessperson, with a net worth greater than most of GFY combined, that the sheep love to hate on.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm more like a useless piece of iron...the big tits themselves are the actual magnet.

Maybe he meant Big Tit Magnate?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I think that it is interesting that German newspaper is so chummy with the prosecution on the matter.

Nice to get updates from them... But it really makes you wonder.

What does it make you wonder?

I think the press have a very different relationship with the legal system here than in the US.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Maybe he meant Big Tit Magnate?

I think that would be YOU.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

drink up

I wonder which hater here from GFY bought out the German government to make them go after blameless Fabian like this? Poor guy. So many jealous people in the world.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

The article is from a german newspaper

?Der 34-Jährige sei einem Richter vorgeführt worden und bleibe nun erst einmal in Untersuchungshaft?
Which means he was before a judge and remains in remand custody. the systems in europe work quite differently from british/us law.

Does this require a new thread on its own?

This is not USA, do not compare with USA, it is normal for a simple Tax case that can be settled with a fine. No conspiracy needed really for this. In some euro countries the bail concept do not even exists at all, simply a judge decides if you should be in jail or not during investigations, and that's it. Other main issue: there's free border transit between European Union countries, he could take a car or train for any other Euro country even with no any id (includes boat for malta, cyprus, balearic or canary islands, Madeira) and no one checks him or will report where he gone. The only places he can't go without passport it is USA, Canada and such. It is like if an USA citizen on bail could go in Mexico but not in Brazil, would this be safe enough?
I still think that's just simple Tax (or specifically VAT) issue, solvable with a fine, but being in Germany that's handled this way, which may look a little soviet at USA eyes.

[MakingItPay]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think that would be YOU.

LOL. You are too kind my friend!

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by AutumnBH

Kim lives just down the road from me and I can assure you that he's got plenty of spare rooms.

Another technically adept hacker and shrewd businessperson, with a net worth greater than most of GFY combined, that the sheep love to hate on.

I am not going to comment on Mr DotCom - Not worth the drama - I love that part of the world though.

I wasn't a million miles away myself a few years ago....

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by HushMoney