SilentKnight

Over the years I've had no qualms about donating to the Salvation Army during the holiday season - quite often dropping handfuls of spare change in their red kettles at the mall.

This year I've decided against it after learning the Salvation Army discriminates against the gay community. And as well - the SA only supports abortion in extreme situations to save the life of the mother.

Yes, the Salvation Army does plenty of good around the world and they're a fine organization. But these two policies don't sit well with me personally - and I've made the decision to make my charitable donations elsewhere until such time as they review their policies and make changes to reflect a more contemporary, open-minded position.

BIGTYMER

It's a Christian group man. What did you expect?

WalkerTR

I made the same decision last year when someone started a similar thread. I don't think a lot of their supporters realize what they are all about.

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SilentKnight

Exactly. I've always been aware of their christian background - but wasn't aware of their intolerance towards gays and abortion.

AdultPornMasta

Good for you!

Maybe you can get enough people to do the same so that the Salvation Army will have to shut down its hundreds of homeless shelters, food kitchens, addiction help centers and social services nation wide.

Perhaps porn people will pick up the slack?

What say you?

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Grapesoda

wtf did you think it was... ? it's a Christian organization... get a clue bro... oh and one more thing before you blow them off and state taking shit... if you and your family are hungry the Salvation Army will feed you. just remember that... even if you are gay

mineistaken

You did not expect Christian group to be anti homo? Congrats.
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SilentKnight

I'm sure folks like yourself who have no problem with discrimination and pro-lifers will continue to donate (you DO donate I'm sure...rather than just dispense sarcasm, right?).

Perhaps your donation can go towards caring for the children born of sexual assault and unplanned/unwanted pregnancies too.

I'm not denying they do a lot of good around the world and I'll gladly resume making donations once again to the SA if they demonstrate a willingness to review and alter their policies with regards to these issues.

AdultPornMasta

You are trying to put words in my mouth that I did not speak. You have no idea of my opinions. I spoke only of the good works that the Salvation Army does and merely suggested that should you be successful in what is an obvious attempt to undermine those efforts that perhaps porn people such as you, might pick up the slack.

Yes, I do donate to the Salvation Army and although I disagree with certain postions that it maintains, just as I disagree with the positions maintained by most churches, I am not going to help you in any way to damage the Salvation Army and its good works.

It is what it is and if you did not know that the Salvation Army is and always has been a Christian based organization and have only now figured it out, you must have had your head in the sand or up someone's ass for years.

You would apparently have the good works of the Salvation Army come to an end because you disagree with certain of their policies and by doing so, you are willing to put thousands of homeless men, women and children in the street.

Should you be successful in your effort, will you open YOUR house to any of them?

I thought not.

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/...25784C006FE670

"Housing and Homeless Services

Akron

Group homes, emergency shelters, and transitional living centers provide housing on a temporary basis for varying amounts of time. They:

serve the homeless by providing food and overnight lodging.

provide educational, counseling and vocational services to homeless and destitute individuals and families for extended periods.

address long-term specific issues of youth for whom family care is undesirable or unavailable. Education, counseling, health care and specific training seek to meet the needs of such groups as pregnant teens, emancipated minors, and wards of the juvenile court.

address specific health or societal driven needs of particular populations.

Family service programs help families and needy individuals with emergency food, housing, utility assistance and other temporal needs."

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/...har set=utf-8

"INDIVIDUAL REHABILITATION

For over 100 years The Salvation Army has been providing assistance to people with a variety of social and spiritual afflictions through its 119 United States based Adult Rehabilitation Centers (ARC). The Adult Rehabilitation Center ministry began in 1881 when William Booth, founder of The Salvation Army, opened shelters for homeless people on the streets of England and this initiative quickly spread to the United States. Persons who have sought our ministry, nurture, and healing have come with issues of substance misuse, legal problems, relational conflicts, homelessness, unemployment, and most importantly, a need for spiritual awakening and restoration."

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/...local/Programs

"Programs That Help

In this new century, The Salvation Army is serving more people in the USA than ever before. We are already seeing large increases in the number of Americans seeking the basic necessities of life - food, shelter, and warmth. Approximately 30 million people received help from The Salvation Army in 2011, but the magnitude of the mission facing The Salvation Army in communities throughout the United States remains great."

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Oh. Forgot.

Go fuck yourself.

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SilentKnight

So by stating that I will no longer donate to the Salvation Army due to policies I can't morally agree with - you spin that to mean I would want their work to end?

Talk about putting words in one's mouth.

I stated *I* would no longer donate until they review their policies on these issues.

Obviously everyone is capable of making their own informed decisions. I fully understand there are those who have no problem overlooking their policies in favour of the collective good they do. That's fine. To each their own.

Dvae

How ironic that those who claim to be the most tolerant of others' views are usually the least tolerant. The SA is a good organization, one who actually does what they say they do and don't waste the money on themselves administration wise. Unlike you they respect your right to disagree with them, and as a previous poster said if you are hungry and need a place to stay even if you are gay or had 10 abortions they would still feed you or give you a place to stay.

I normally don't donate but because of your idiotic thread I think I will.

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Can anyone recommend a good non-religious based charity, preferably where the money makes it to those in need? I would feel better about supporting a group that doesn't have an ulterior motive.

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AdultPornMasta

My God, you are soooooooooooooooooooooooo PC!

Around here we call that sort of thing chickenshit.

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TCLGirls

Normally I would agree with you.

But in the case of the Salvation Army, they are not using any donated monies to fund anti-gay/anti-abortion campaigns or to fund any political causes. If they were actively using donation money to fight gay rights/abortion, then you would have a stronger argument. But they are simply making a statement at what they believe. Given all he other really good things they do for the community, I would say you should give them a pass on that one.

AdultPornMasta

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SilentKnight

The reason I've donated to the Salvation Army for the past few decades is - as you point out...they are one of the few charities that doesn't waste the money and spend comparatively little on administration. And as I've said above - there's no denying they do good work.

Although I've always known the SA were a Christian-based organization - I'll admit that up until recently I knew very little of their actual policies concerning issues I feel quite strongly about.

But how do I turn a blind eye to personal morality and continue to support an organization that is intolerant of others based on their sexual orientation and/or their views concerning abortion?

Dvae

Sounds like you have a personal dilemma then. BTW, they're also antiporn. Hopefully it doesn't come as a shock to you. If you want to get right down to it, no Christian-based organization worth its salt would accept money knowingly from a pornslinger such as you and me. Our money would be considered dirty money. If you don't think you can donate anymore because of what you call intolerance then don't donate they won't miss your handful of change. Donate to somebody who you agree with if that makes you feel better.

For example, I would never donate to Greenpeace or some other left-leaning organization but I could always donate to the SPCA or other such organizations that help animals. It's a politically neutral organization.

I would never donate to the Red Cross because the CEO does not need to make $1,000,000 a year in salary and benefits which is actually worse than what I thought it was, I was thinking more along the lines of $400,000 but according to Snopes it's $1,000,000+ and claim to be 92% efficient which I find hard to believe. SA administrator gets $126,000 and are 82% efficient.

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SilentKnight

That's just...no, wait - stop, no...really...my sides hurt.

Your existence provides a case-in-point for pro-abortion.

brassmonkey

yeah well its in the name.

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SilentKnight

Appreciate the thoughtful comments and insight.

I thought of the Humane Society - but our local chapter has major issues lately...namely their outrageously high euthanasia rate despite the ton of funding they receive annually. Their CEO is approaching the six-figure salary range and there's been a huge public outcry about the dismal mismanagement of the organization lately.

The wife and I talked this year of canceling our entire gift exchange between us next year in favour of spending what we normally would on a local needy family. She's suggested an abused women's shelter...or I might talk with a few co-workers at City Hall and see if they know of a local family that could genuinely use the help.

AdultPornMasta

Yes, turning a blind eye to all the good works of the Salvation Army must be quite a struggle.

Like shit.

Oh!

You didn't know 'til now?





If you get them shut down are you and "like" (sic) "thinkers" (sic) prepared to pick up the slack?

Well, are ya punk?

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DTK

Fixed that for ya, Marion

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SilentKnight

Turning a blind eye to you is relatively easy.

There, done.

Dvae

I don't mean to pick on you but again the irony is just too great. If this is too graphic I'm sorry but you are pro-abortion, killing unborn babies in effect but you're worried about the Humane Society's euthanasia rate.

At the end of the Snopes article is a list compiled by Forbes magazine of Americas Most Efficient Charities

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AdultPornMasta

You are trying to REASON with someone who is thinking EMOTIONALLY and therefore IRRATIONALLY. Won't work but kudos for the effort!

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SilentKnight

To me there's no irony.

I don't consider the termination of an early trimester pregnancy as "killing an unborn baby" as I don't consider the fetus at that stage to be sentient. I've always believed a woman has the inalienable right to choose whether she carries her pregnancy to term.

Whereas, I regard animal euthanasia as the taking of an existing life - with the exception of mercifully ending sufferance (which I also support for humans if they choose).

Obviously there are two sides to the coin - and those who would disagree...but that's always been my personal view.

SilentKnight

You lost me at "Besides..." (blah, blah)