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gothweb · 02-19-2003, 11:08 AM

What do people think about shooting models who are just turned 18? Specifically, I am wondering about talking with someone who is under 18, about a shoot to happen soon after she is 18. Obviously, the barely-18 thing is cool, but what about the ethics of talking to a 17 year old about shooting them naked.

Any thoughts?

Dawgy · 02-19-2003, 11:11 AM

ive been approached a lot lately by 17 year olds... guess im just a sexy bitch.

but i just tell them i cant talk to them about it until theyre 18, and sure enough, they call me on their 18th birthday.

lagwagon · 02-19-2003, 11:11 AM

ethics/porn

hmmm, 18 is 18 man. just dont shoot a pic until she gets of age.

OneHungLo · 02-19-2003, 11:12 AM

Would you shott a girl if she was 18 but still in highschool?

wethoney · 02-19-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo
Would you shott a girl if she was 18 but still in highschool?

If she's 18 what's it matter hell shoot a pic of her in class

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo
Would you shott a girl if she was 18 but still in highschool?

Yes, I think I would. I am okay with shooting anyone 18 and up, since I only do nudes anyhow. (Not sure I'd feel right paying someone that young to cram things in intimate places...)

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy
ive been approached a lot lately by 17 year olds... guess im just a sexy bitch. but i just tell them i cant talk to them about it until theyre 18, and sure enough, they call me on their 18th birthday.

That's what I am wondering about... The talking to them part. I got an email from a girl who is 17, interested in shooting when she turns 18. Made me wonder how much potential trouble could come of answering her questions, talking about a shoot, etc.

jimmy3way · 02-19-2003, 11:21 AM

Well this is porn, ethics and morals are pretty useless as a compass. The only thing we need to guide us is the LAW.

The LAW says 18 years old, and nudity and voting for all.

Ethically, morally, there are plenty of girls who are mature enough at 16 or 17 to make the decision to pose nude and it would be moral and ethical to shoot them, fuck them, bukkake all over them, what have you.

Conversely there are probably more girls who are 18, 19, even 25 who aren't mature enough to make the decision to pose nude. It would be immoral and unethical to shoot these girls. Yet we do, everyone here who has done any shooting has met a few of these girls so....

The LAW is the LAW and it's enforced by attorneys general and cops. Moral and ethics are philosophy and are enforced by college profs and priests.

Take your pick of who you want to cross.

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 11:23 AM

I think, for the most part, I have the moral side down... Since I agree that maturity is more important than age. I am okay shooting a girl who is barely 18, nude. I think I am okay with talking to her about it, when she is 17.

So, I guess that does just leave the law. The law is okay with me shooting her, after she turns 18. I wonder if there is any room for trouble with the law, in talking with her about the shoot beforehand. You know, asking someone underage their cup size is a little creepy, right?

Dawgy · 02-19-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by gothweb
That's what I am wondering about... The talking to them part. I got an email from a girl who is 17, interested in shooting when she turns 18. Made me wonder how much potential trouble could come of answering her questions, talking about a shoot, etc.

yah... generally i just dont answer any questions. my printed ads tell the basics, and i just refer them to that...

as for the high school ones... i dont care... 18 is 18

OneHungLo · 02-19-2003, 11:25 AM

Gothweb you in the UK? Do you know of any talent agencys out there? Im looking for mature women and im going to be booking a trip there in March.

Mutt · 02-19-2003, 11:37 AM

nothing illegal or immoral about talking to a 17 year old girl about shooting for you when she turns legal age.

Actively going out and recruiting underage girls, in the way professional sports team scouts will stalk basketball players at 13 and 14, is sleazy, might also be illegal though not sure what the crime would be. The danger would be that if say this girl's parents found out, ya know went through her emails or notebook, the waiting for 18 thing would be lost, all anybody would hear is that you were soliciting an underage girl to work nude for you.

BVF · 02-19-2003, 11:43 AM

I regularly recruit girls down to 16 years old. Of course you can't shoot pics of them until they are 18 but you can spend that time getting to know a girl....

ONe girl I found when she was 16 and 1/2. She just turned 18 this month. I've been working on her all that time and now she's ready to do anything.

You're cool as long as you don't point that camera near them.

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo
Gothweb you in the UK? Do you know of any talent agencys out there? Im looking for mature women and im going to be booking a trip there in March.

I don't know much about finding mature models... You can always look on OMP. The only talent agency I know is Divisus. http://www.divisus.com/ If you contact them, they can probably help.

steffie · 02-19-2003, 12:33 PM

funny

but

18 year old are going to go to war soon
18 year old are held liable for a contract
18 year old can consume alcohol (where I live)
18 year old will go to prison and not juvi if they kill somebody

An 18 year old is considered an Adult

Now youre asking

Would I shoot an 18 year old girl nude or hardcore?

Yup I would, Yup I have, Yup I will again

They are adults, they want to be treated as such, they should be responsible for their action if it is buying a car, killing somebody, drinking alcohol or staring in a pornflick

AOLGuy · 02-19-2003, 12:42 PM

I have gotten a few calls from the near 18 set. Always makes me a tad iffy, because so many are ready to go ASAP.

They don't understand "the law" and most have no idea about the Traci Lords thing.

But once they hit 18 and a day, make it happen, right?

I just try to keep their interest yet patience until then. I have lost two to other sites and video companies who were willing to shoot them BEFORE their 18th birthday.

At least I know what precious info will get me out of a legal bind if ever arrested for any of the myriad crimes I consider committing... LOL.

The thing that most people forget is that girls talk, especially younger girls. Both near 18 year olds told me who they shot for, specifics, etc...

Why would a large company, or even a small one, take the risk of shooting an underage girl?

Yes, they can SAY they shot it after her 18th birthday, but when you take into account how people talk and if the girls parents were to find out... well, you could get yourself right out of business and into jail rather fast.

Rochard · 02-19-2003, 01:16 PM

We have rules about this in our office - No one under the age of eighteen at any time. We do not talk to them, and we never allow them in our office. Ever.

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 05:50 PM

It's interesting. I am seeing opposite ends of the spectrum, in terms of advice about talking to underage models about shooting once they are 18. Either I shouldn't say a word, or I should talk them into everything under the sun...

Mr.Fiction · 02-19-2003, 05:52 PM

Better to be safe when it comes to age issues. Just say no.

Phil21 · 02-19-2003, 06:10 PM

uh, poor responses here except for dawgy's and some others.

You'll get FUCKED if the shit hit the fan and law enforcements finds documents or whatever of you "setting up" shoots with a girl for her 18th birthday.

Basically you're recruiting minors before they are legal.

However, if you just do something like "hey, we'd love to shoot you, but you're not of age. Call us back when you're 18 and we can talk" then I think you should be fine. Discussing payment, dates, what she'll do, etc. is probably extremely risky ground.

All a lawyer would have to do is go to the jury and paint you as some cradle robbing pervert guy who hangs around high schools trying to "sign girls up" for when they actually turn 18.

Am I the only one who sees this? heh.

Shrug

-Phil

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 07:47 PM

One thing to note... Topless photos are legal in the UK for models 16 and up. I am in the UK, so are the models. So talking about modelling may have a bit more of a buffer on it.

SleazyDream · 02-19-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo
Would you shott a girl if she was 18 but still in highschool?

would you shoot a girl if she was 35 and still in highschool?

what's highschool got to do with it? 18 is 18 - that's the limit. don't even talk to minors.

SleazyDream · 02-19-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
We have rules about this in our office - No one under the age of eighteen at any time. We do not talk to them, and we never allow them in our office. Ever.

exactly

gothweb · 02-19-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

would you shoot a girl if she was 35 and still in highschool?

That's so fucking hot!

02-19-2003, 11:08 AM	#1
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	barely 18 What do people think about shooting models who are just turned 18? Specifically, I am wondering about talking with someone who is under 18, about a shoot to happen soon after she is 18. Obviously, the barely-18 thing is cool, but what about the ethics of talking to a 17 year old about shooting them naked. Any thoughts? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-19-2003, 11:11 AM	#2
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	ive been approached a lot lately by 17 year olds... guess im just a sexy bitch. but i just tell them i cant talk to them about it until theyre 18, and sure enough, they call me on their 18th birthday. __________________ the revolution is coming.

02-19-2003, 11:11 AM	#3
lagwagon Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: az Posts: 8,464	ethics/porn hmmm, 18 is 18 man. just dont shoot a pic until she gets of age. __________________ FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

02-19-2003, 11:21 AM	#8
jimmy3way Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Top Secret Hideout Posts: 2,508	Well this is porn, ethics and morals are pretty useless as a compass. The only thing we need to guide us is the LAW. The LAW says 18 years old, and nudity and voting for all. Ethically, morally, there are plenty of girls who are mature enough at 16 or 17 to make the decision to pose nude and it would be moral and ethical to shoot them, fuck them, bukkake all over them, what have you. Conversely there are probably more girls who are 18, 19, even 25 who aren't mature enough to make the decision to pose nude. It would be immoral and unethical to shoot these girls. Yet we do, everyone here who has done any shooting has met a few of these girls so.... The LAW is the LAW and it's enforced by attorneys general and cops. Moral and ethics are philosophy and are enforced by college profs and priests. Take your pick of who you want to cross. __________________ One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

02-19-2003, 11:23 AM	#9
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I think, for the most part, I have the moral side down... Since I agree that maturity is more important than age. I am okay shooting a girl who is barely 18, nude. I think I am okay with talking to her about it, when she is 17. So, I guess that does just leave the law. The law is okay with me shooting her, after she turns 18. I wonder if there is any room for trouble with the law, in talking with her about the shoot beforehand. You know, asking someone underage their cup size is a little creepy, right? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

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OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Would you shott a girl if she was 18 but still in highschool?

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OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Gothweb you in the UK? Do you know of any talent agencys out there? Im looking for mature women and im going to be booking a trip there in March.

02-19-2003, 11:37 AM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	nothing illegal or immoral about talking to a 17 year old girl about shooting for you when she turns legal age. Actively going out and recruiting underage girls, in the way professional sports team scouts will stalk basketball players at 13 and 14, is sleazy, might also be illegal though not sure what the crime would be. The danger would be that if say this girl's parents found out, ya know went through her emails or notebook, the waiting for 18 thing would be lost, all anybody would hear is that you were soliciting an underage girl to work nude for you. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-19-2003, 11:43 AM	#13
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I regularly recruit girls down to 16 years old. Of course you can't shoot pics of them until they are 18 but you can spend that time getting to know a girl.... ONe girl I found when she was 16 and 1/2. She just turned 18 this month. I've been working on her all that time and now she's ready to do anything. You're cool as long as you don't point that camera near them. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

02-19-2003, 12:33 PM	#15
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	funny but 18 year old are going to go to war soon 18 year old are held liable for a contract 18 year old can consume alcohol (where I live) 18 year old will go to prison and not juvi if they kill somebody An 18 year old is considered an Adult Now youre asking Would I shoot an 18 year old girl nude or hardcore? Yup I would, Yup I have, Yup I will again They are adults, they want to be treated as such, they should be responsible for their action if it is buying a car, killing somebody, drinking alcohol or staring in a pornflick __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

02-19-2003, 12:42 PM	#16
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	I have gotten a few calls from the near 18 set. Always makes me a tad iffy, because so many are ready to go ASAP. They don't understand "the law" and most have no idea about the Traci Lords thing. But once they hit 18 and a day, make it happen, right? I just try to keep their interest yet patience until then. I have lost two to other sites and video companies who were willing to shoot them BEFORE their 18th birthday. At least I know what precious info will get me out of a legal bind if ever arrested for any of the myriad crimes I consider committing... LOL. The thing that most people forget is that girls talk, especially younger girls. Both near 18 year olds told me who they shot for, specifics, etc... Why would a large company, or even a small one, take the risk of shooting an underage girl? Yes, they can SAY they shot it after her 18th birthday, but when you take into account how people talk and if the girls parents were to find out... well, you could get yourself right out of business and into jail rather fast.

02-19-2003, 01:16 PM	#17
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,132	We have rules about this in our office - No one under the age of eighteen at any time. We do not talk to them, and we never allow them in our office. Ever. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

02-19-2003, 05:50 PM	#18
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	It's interesting. I am seeing opposite ends of the spectrum, in terms of advice about talking to underage models about shooting once they are 18. Either I shouldn't say a word, or I should talk them into everything under the sun... __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-19-2003, 05:52 PM	#19
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Better to be safe when it comes to age issues. Just say no.

02-19-2003, 06:10 PM	#20
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	uh, poor responses here except for dawgy's and some others. You'll get FUCKED if the shit hit the fan and law enforcements finds documents or whatever of you "setting up" shoots with a girl for her 18th birthday. Basically you're recruiting minors before they are legal. However, if you just do something like "hey, we'd love to shoot you, but you're not of age. Call us back when you're 18 and we can talk" then I think you should be fine. Discussing payment, dates, what she'll do, etc. is probably extremely risky ground. All a lawyer would have to do is go to the jury and paint you as some cradle robbing pervert guy who hangs around high schools trying to "sign girls up" for when they actually turn 18. Am I the only one who sees this? heh. Shrug -Phil

02-19-2003, 07:47 PM	#21
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	One thing to note... Topless photos are legal in the UK for models 16 and up. I am in the UK, so are the models. So talking about modelling may have a bit more of a buffer on it. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.