Stone Oak Man Stops Would-Be Car Burglars With 13 Shots, One Dead

[AdultPornMasta]

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/main...ticle=10698919

"A San Antonio man used a legally registered firearm to stop car burglars from stealing his property this morning, as Texas lawmakers rally to block any efforts to restrict individuals from owning the weapons of their choice for self protection, 1200 WOAI news reports.

Shortly before 2AM, the man who lives in the 700 block of Lightstone Drive in Stone Oak spotted two men breaking into a vehicle. He opened fire with a semi automatic pistol, firing a total of 13 shots at the would be bandits.

Both suspects were hit by gunfire. Police found one of the robbers behind the wheel of a car that crashed about a block away, and the second suspect was found in the street.

The man who was found in the street was rushed to the hospital in critical but stable condition. The man found behind the wheel of what was supposed to be his getaway car was pronounced dead.

Police were questioning the homeowner this morning.

Against the backdrop of the drama in Stone Oak, Texas lawmakers of both parties are fighting to prevent any new restrictions from being imposed on law abiding homeowners, and to make sure homeowners can continue doing what the Stone Oak man did this morning.

State Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands) says he plans to introduce the 'Firearms Protection Act' which would prohibit any new restrictions on the legal ownership of weapons by law abiding adults from taking effect in Texas.

"We want to make sure that this legislation protects the Second Amendment gun rights, plus the Tenth Amendment, which is the state sovereignty rights of Texas, Toth told 1200 WOAI news.

He says his bill will mandate that any new restrictions on the possession of firearms or high capacity magazines will not be the law in Texas.

Toth's bill will call for criminal prosecution, and prison time on felony charges, for any federal officials who attempt to enforce any new federal firearms restrictions in Texas."

[bronco67]

So did someone need to die for trying to steal a car? Among the many problems with you gun nuts, is you have an unbalanced sense of justice. Will you shoot someone if they look at you crossways?

[BaliPimp]

I wish some one would stop "cut and paste" trannies from ruining an adult webmaster forum with worthless bullshit.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

So did someone need to die for trying to steal a car? Among the many problems with you gun nuts, is you have an unbalanced sense of justice. Will you shoot someone if they look at you crossways?

that's great ... how about we swing by tonight and take all your shit?

seriously though... dying over a car is very crappy and defiantly a tragedy in some ways...

BUT it's symptomatic of a life style that has no regard for laws or personal property AND a man or woman should be able to defend their 'homestead' which is how I think the Texas law lays it out...

just curious... what is worth dying/killing over in your opinion? rape? child molestation? armed robbery? blackmail? kidnapping?

a black lady here in Hollywood stabbed a guy with a knife and killed him because he had suggested they she could park her car a bit better at a local restaurant...

BTW I took a beating once with a gun in my boot because I didn't see the need to kill over that, just like I didn't see the need kill when I caught a guy wondering around my apartment in the middle of the night... not so sure how I would feel about a bunch of assholes stealing my car though... and I betcha their friends will think twice about hitting that 'hood' to steal more shit...

one issue I see in your post is labeling people with derogatory terms to satisfy your need to dehumanize a person so you can disregard them and their opinion... and that my friend is the first step on the road to a 'concentration camp'

[DWB]

If everyone was armed assholes like that would think twice about trying to steal anything.

But let me back up for a second and say OMFG he killed someone with a pistol!!!! We need to ban pistols!

[BlackCrayon]

people like this guy have little regard for human life. there are some people just itching for a justified reason to kill/shoot someone. they might of just been trying to steal car stereos or something, who knows but hey, once you violate a law you've given up your right to live...really? is this what we've been reduced to?

and no, obviously no laws stop people from committing crimes, the death penalty doesn't stop murders from happening so i don't see why people thinking someone might have a gun would stop anything either.

[grumpy]

Stealing a car radio is equal to instant death, the guy was in no danger, he just executed them on the spot. Dont think i wanna live there.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by DWB

If everyone was armed assholes like that would think twice about trying to steal anything.

But let me back up for a second and say OMFG he killed someone with a pistol!!!! We need to ban pistols!

No they would know they have to come in shooting thats all. In the wild west everyone had guns. Where there no criminals?

[pornguy]

He used deadly force to protect property? Wow thats honestly fucked up. and I am for people having weapons.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

just curious... what is worth dying/killing over in your opinion? rape? child molestation? armed robbery? blackmail? kidnapping?

maybe if it's in progress at that moment, but mostly I feel that deadly force should only be justified in the case of your own personal safety -- and that doesn't mean a perception of your imminent death.

[scottybuzz]

adultpornmasta,

please you are falling for the media's trap. instead of looking at statistics. You look at the most entertaining story to prove your point.

Try doing a little research instead of copying and pasting.

thx

[robwod]

AdultPornMasta: just curious, do you have any involvement whatsoever in the adult industry? Serious question, not trolling. It seems all you do is spend the day finding stuff to copy and paste to forward a specific political agenda. And it just made me wonder if you actually work in this industry at all or not.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

just curious... what is worth dying/killing over in your opinion? rape? child molestation? armed robbery? blackmail? kidnapping?

Holy shit - you do not get the death penalty for stealing a car.

The shooter in this case became judge, jury, and executioner without any thought to anyone's legal rights or due process.

The best part is the shooter failed to stop the crime in progress, and his car was crashed in the process. The shooter shot and killed a man, shot and wounded a second man, caused two cars to crash and god only knows what other damage.

Don't you get it? Grand theft auto gets a few years in prison, but shooting two men and killing one could get this man decades in prison. At the very least we'll be fighting legal battles for the next five years.

It's fucking insane that you are okay with shooting and killing people for petty crimes.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony286

In the wild west everyone had guns. Where there no criminals?

Let's just say there were no horse thief repeat offenders in the old west.

And don't forget criminals do have a choice so fuck them if they meet resistance while committing a felony.

.

[acrylix]

Originally Posted by grumpy

Stealing a car radio is equal to instant death, the guy was in no danger, he just executed them on the spot. Dont think i wanna live there.

Why not? You a car thief?

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by acrylix

Why not? You a car thief?

a car radio for a live, what world are you living in?

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by DWB

If everyone was armed assholes like that would think twice about trying to steal anything.

That is a terribly negative way to look at things.. that everyone is out to get you in some way, so you better arm yourself.

Life is what you make of it though, so either way.. you're right.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

maybe if it's in progress at that moment, but mostly I feel that deadly force should only be justified in the case of your own personal safety -- and that doesn't mean a perception of your imminent death.

perception of your imminent death is the same thing as justified in the case of your own personal safety -- you do realize that don't you?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Holy shit - you do not get the death penalty for stealing a car.

The shooter in this case became judge, jury, and executioner without any thought to anyone's legal rights or due process.

The best part is the shooter failed to stop the crime in progress, and his car was crashed in the process. The shooter shot and killed a man, shot and wounded a second man, caused two cars to crash and god only knows what other damage.

Don't you get it? Grand theft auto gets a few years in prison, but shooting two men and killing one could get this man decades in prison. At the very least we'll be fighting legal battles for the next five years.

It's fucking insane that you are okay with shooting and killing people for petty crimes.

Richard pls point out where I said it was okay to kill people for petty crimes and this was in TEXAS with different set of homestead laws than CALIFORNIA and I have no idea what will happen to the guy....... you're getting hysterical. the only insanity is your rambling post

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

perception of your imminent death is the same thing as justified in the case of your own personal safety -- you do realize that don't you?

I'm saying some people probably perceive a threat of imminent death more often than others. I'd go on even further and say they're the same people who carry a gun. There are some legitimate reasons for certain gun owners to carry on person, but mostly they're probably paranoid about phantom bullshit that only they worry about.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

people like this guy have little regard for human life. there are some people just itching for a justified reason to kill/shoot someone. they might of just been trying to steal car stereos or something, who knows but hey, once you violate a law you've given up your right to live...really? is this what we've been reduced to?

and no, obviously no laws stop people from committing crimes, the death penalty doesn't stop murders from happening so i don't see why people thinking someone might have a gun would stop anything either.

maybe the guy has worked hard his whole life, seen the government piss off his income and savings and he's fed up with supporting petty criminals thought the welfare system and babysitting them in the justice system and he wants to keep the shit that he has left... ever look at it that way?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm saying some people probably perceive a threat of imminent death more often than others. I'd go on even further and say those people are also people who carry a gun.

are you implying that people with guns have borderline personality disorders? and by inference saying that mentally healthy don't own guns?

AND if someone feels there life is in imminent danger of death is that your decision? i.e. if they get killed it's a big 'whoops! I guess I was wrong' on your end?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

are you implying that people with guns have borderline personality disorders? and by inference saying that mentally healthy don't own guns?

AND if someone feels there life is in imminent danger of death is that your decision? i.e. if they get killed it's a big 'whoops! I guess I was wrong' on your end?

I'm saying that paranoia is one thing that can make you want to carry a gun, and that paranoia could also make you pull and fire on some poor guy who freaks you out because he wanted directions. You'll say that's not likely, but I've known a couple of people who carry a pistol, and they fit that description perfectly. I always think its only a matter of time until I hear about one of them doing a George Zimmerman.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

perception of your imminent death is the same thing as justified in the case of your own personal safety -- you do realize that don't you?

not really. having a gun pointed at your face, knife or whatever, that is real. *thinking* that someone has a gun or a knife without seeing anything at all, that is perception.

regardless, this man's life was not in danger.

[inabon]

I thought carrying a gun was for personal defense I sense a case of personal offense here...

did the car thieves post a direct and imminent threat to the civilian that shot them?

don´t get me wrong I like guns but I thought the law was made so that I can shoot the guy if the guy is going to shoot at me.... otherwise just scream shout I have a fucking gun get away from the car.. NOt bang bang die motherfucker....

jeeeez things are really FUCKED UP in USA!!!

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Holy shit - you do not get the death penalty for stealing a car.

The shooter in this case became judge, jury, and executioner without any thought to anyone's legal rights or due process.

The best part is the shooter failed to stop the crime in progress, and his car was crashed in the process. The shooter shot and killed a man, shot and wounded a second man, caused two cars to crash and god only knows what other damage.

Don't you get it? Grand theft auto gets a few years in prison, but shooting two men and killing one could get this man decades in prison. At the very least we'll be fighting legal battles for the next five years.

It's fucking insane that you are okay with shooting and killing people for petty crimes.

Yeah Kinda sounds like the Police.

They mostly chase you, till you crash, then have shoot out. Oh wait, they are the police, so it is ok.

Now with that said, the last 2 articles I read about Texas I do not 100% agree with.
Protecting your property with deadly force after the fact is kinda extreme.

Then again this IS Texas, where you get awards for doing this. I also believe we need to take our country back from the criminals.
There was a point in my life, that if My Car was stolen, that was not only my Property, but was also my lively hood and Life of me and my family. I didn't have a penny to spare and would be fired if I didn't make it to work, with NO family or friends able to help.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

maybe the guy has worked hard his whole life, seen the government piss off his income and savings and he's fed up with supporting petty criminals thought the welfare system and babysitting them in the justice system and he wants to keep the shit that he has left... ever look at it that way?

boo fucking hoo. if you think that justifies killing people, i think you have problems.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

maybe the guy has worked hard his whole life, seen the government piss off his income and savings and he's fed up with supporting petty criminals thought the welfare system and babysitting them in the justice system and he wants to keep the shit that he has left... ever look at it that way?

Wow......

[Elli]

That's the kind of story you expect to read about in Somalia or some similarly messed-up region. I wonder if that guy also thinks cutting off the hands of thieves in the Middle East is barbaric.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by inabon

I thought carrying a gun was for personal defense I sense a case of personal offense here...

did the car thieves post a direct and imminent threat to the civilian that shot them?

don´t get me wrong I like guns but I thought the law was made so that I can shoot the guy if the guy is going to shoot at me.... otherwise just scream shout I have a fucking gun get away from the car.. NOt bang bang die motherfucker....

jeeeez things are really FUCKED UP in USA!!!

the thing is TEXAS has homestead laws dating fro the 1800's that are a bit different that some states. I'm not so sure killing someone for stealing a car is a great idea however if you're going to be a thief in Texas you should be aware of the situation and the area.

i.e. piss poor job skills on the part of the thief

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Wow......

well maybe your issue is you can only see your side of anything... ever consider that... fuck maybe you should be president of the world???

[Struggle4Bucks]

Anyone ever thought of the possibility that those two guys were just two very friendly fellow Americans trying to wash and clean the guy's carwindow????? huh??? well????

[Mr Pheer]

Texas has this thing, it's called "defense to prosecution" and it covers everything that is not covered as an offense in the Texas Penal Code.

Sec. 2.03. DEFENSE. (a) A defense to prosecution for an offense in this code is so labeled by the phrase: "It is a defense to prosecution . . . ."
(b) The prosecuting attorney is not required to negate the existence of a defense in the accusation charging commission of the offense.
(c) The issue of the existence of a defense is not submitted to the jury unless evidence is admitted supporting the defense.
(d) If the issue of the existence of a defense is submitted to the jury, the court shall charge that a reasonable doubt on the issue requires that the defendant be acquitted.
(e) A ground of defense in a penal law that is not plainly labeled in accordance with this chapter has the procedural and evidentiary consequences of a defense.

The thing the thieves did wrong, besides being thieves, was to come onto the man's property during the hours of darkness to commit a crime. It is considered a defense to prosecution to use deadly force during the hours of darkness against any crime happening on your property.

He was not judge, jury & executioner and this is not an open and shut case. It will be submitted to the District Attorney who will then decide to pursue criminal charges or not. If charges are filed then it goes through the regular legal proceedings that happen leading up to a trial by jury. Will it actually go that far? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. We dont know all of the details and it's not up to us to decide anything that may or may not happen next.

Just because an act is covered under defense to prosecution, does not mean it's the wild wild west and shoot to kill then get away with it. This is different and more complicated than if he shot two guys breaking into his home.

So relax, people. Some of you with you "That's Texas" remarks are making yourself look dumber than you guys try to make Texans look.

If the guys werent being thieves, none of this would have happened in the first place. So ban thieves.

And as always.... have a nice day.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by bronco67

So did someone need to die for trying to steal a car? Among the many problems with you gun nuts, is you have an unbalanced sense of justice. Will you shoot someone if they look at you crossways?

Yes. Deaths from guns went up dramatically when the macho-sounding "Stand Your Ground" laws came on the books. You can shoot anyone you feel threatened by. And since gun nuts are usually big, paranoid pussys, pretty much anyone would be a potential threat.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by inabon

jeeeez things are really FUCKED UP in USA!!!

QFT. How fucked up? This guy simply gave terrified children shelter - and now he's being attacked by gun nuts. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/1...ounting-money/

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

maybe the guy has worked hard his whole life, seen the government piss off his income and savings and he's fed up with supporting petty criminals thought the welfare system and babysitting them in the justice system and he wants to keep the shit that he has left... ever look at it that way?

You're such a fucktard. That's a story you've spun up in your head, and you believe it's reality.

You're the well-trained bitch of the corporate media. That garbage could have come right from the mouth of an AM radio bullshit artist. And it probably did.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Don't you get it? Grand theft auto gets a few years in prison, but shooting two men and killing one could get this man decades in prison.

I hope it does.

Originally Posted by Rochard

At the very least we'll be fighting legal battles for the next five years.

And if he's appointed a lawyer, how much will that cost taxpayers?

[EddyTheDog]

You wont be seeing those fuckers trying to steal my shit again....

[AdultPornMasta]

http://www.texasgunlaws.org/chap9.htm

"SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.

(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by robwod

AdultPornMasta: just curious, do you have any involvement whatsoever in the adult industry? Serious question, not trolling. It seems all you do is spend the day finding stuff to copy and paste to forward a specific political agenda. And it just made me wonder if you actually work in this industry at all or not.

GFY admins don't care if non-industry trolls paste shit here all day. Traffic is the bottom line. Trolling and controversy is good for business, they'd say.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

http://www.texasgunlaws.org/chap9.htm

"SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY.

(a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or

(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.


Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."

Apparently the law has changed since I studied this stuff in the late 90's. Or at least what you stated is different that what my instructor taught me, as the law you quoted says justified... my instructor taught us that it was defense to prosecution.

Either way, thieves shouldnt be thieves. Nobody should have to stand inside their home, staring out the window while someone else steals their property. They would have just gotten away and then continued being thieves. Kind of bad that one had to die over it but I cant say that I have more than little sympathy.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Apparently the law has changed since I studied this stuff in the late 90's. Or at least what you stated is different that what my instructor taught me, as the law you quoted says justified... my instructor taught us that it was defense to prosecution.

Either way, thieves shouldnt be thieves. Nobody should have to stand inside their home, staring out the window while someone else steals their property. They would have just gotten away and then continued being thieves. Kind of bad that one had to die over it but I cant say that I have more than little sympathy.

i kinda agree with you on this.

dont steal folks, and definitively dont steal in Texas.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Richard pls point out where I said it was okay to kill people for petty crimes and this was in TEXAS with different set of homestead laws than CALIFORNIA and I have no idea what will happen to the guy....... you're getting hysterical. the only insanity is your rambling post

Where did you point out it was okay to kill people for petty crimes?

...no regard for laws or personal property AND a man or woman should be able to defend their 'homestead' which is how I think the Texas law lays it out...

You said people do not have respect for laws or personal property and should be able to defend their "homestead".

I don't give a shit where it happened, be it California or Texas - and I am aware of the laws in Texas. If someone breaks into your house and attacks you with a knife you can shoot them as many times as you want. If someone is breaking into your car you don't go on a shooting spree killing people.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

are you implying that people with guns have borderline personality disorders? and by inference saying that mentally healthy don't own guns?

Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow.

I have a friend of mine who lives in the same home town here, and he goes shooting every weekend and has a dozen firearms because he's worried that his "house might be invaded" or someone will break in at night and threaten them. He owns a small glass cleaning, recently married, and recently became a father. Other than his firearms, he has little of value. He made some comments about Obama and potential gun laws that cracked me up - He told me he would go to war with the government if they tried to take away his AR15. Why is it that he lives in fear like this when he lives in the same town with a rather low crime rate?

[PornMD]

I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by PornMD

I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow.

I have a friend of mine who lives in the same home town here, and he goes shooting every weekend and has a dozen firearms because he's worried that his "house might be invaded" or someone will break in at night and threaten them. He owns a small glass cleaning, recently married, and recently became a father. Other than his firearms, he has little of value. He made some comments about Obama and potential gun laws that cracked me up - He told me he would go to war with the government if they tried to take away his AR15. Why is it that he lives in fear like this when he lives in the same town with a rather low crime rate?

"Most people who own firearms live in fear and are afraid of their own shadow."

That is the biggest pile of steaming horseshit I have ever read.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by PornMD

I don't own a firearm, but only one of my immediate family members has not had their home robbed, and my best friend has been robbed multiple times at gunpoint, so I can understand why some people might feel they need the protection. I personally don't - have had shit stolen from me but not as a robbery or burglary, just a box of Magic cards when in high school. My father has not only been burgled but had his house shot up, thankfully not while he was there.

It is no longer the 50s where you can trust everything/everyone will be safe.

You had some cards stolen in the 50's?

What the fuck....

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by grumpy

a car radio for a live, what world are you living in?

The best way to avoid getting shot by guys like that is to not steal their shit.

Sounds like a fair arrangement to me
.

[sandman!]