dyna mo

this isn't about me. I couldn't give a shit what the difference is when it comes down to it. but it's clear you did not read 1 word of the actual bill.

I simply came in here and posted a link to an article about some assault rifles that can double as hunting rifles, you are the one with the need to have everyone on your page using your jargon.

DBS.US

So people can't go to Walmart and buy a Ruger 10/22 with a factory ten round magazine?

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dyna mo

hey derpy,

N.Y. ADC. LAW § 10-301 : NY Code - Section 10-301: Control and regulation of the disposition, purchase and possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns and assault weapons

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ADC/10/3/10-301


an assault weapon is defined as "Any semiautomatic centerfire or rimfire rifle or semiautomatic shotgun which has one or more ... features, ..., Any shotgun with a revolving-cylinder magazine, ..., (or,) Any part, or combination of parts, designed or redesigned or intended to readily convert a rifle or shotgun into an assault weapon."
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as i said, you have a lot of work to do to get everybody on your page of definitions.

Gozarian

Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth ~ tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. - George Washington

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. - Thomas Jefferson

StickyGreen

People are being taught the opposite now, that they are powerless and all power should reside in the centralized government.

EonBlue

Most people don't know what they're talking about. But this guy sure seems to:

Mr Pheer

It's not MY page of definitions, as pointed out in the definition that you posted. It is clearly defined and says assault weapon, not assault rifle.

Whoever taught you reading comprehension, owes you an apology.

kyro

who is the resident gun nut? mr phere ?

dyna mo

you know, i could try and explain to you how assault rifle falls under the definition of assault weapon but I know that would zing right over ya head, so instead i'll point out the obvious-

i originally posted a comment that cleared up 1 of the OP's misconceptions about assault weapons and in so doing also provided a link and testimony showing the validity of assault rifles in hunting, in essence arguing FOR the right to be able to own that sort of weapon

and it was the gun nut in the thread who waxed right over that point in favor of smugly pointing out he is the only one who understands the lingo.


if any of you gun nuts want to understand what your problem is in arguing your position, you only need to look at this.

kyro

that was in 1776 250 years ago. The US wont let you own a cannon today, but people could have them back then. you do get to bear arms, its called hand guns but you can't have machine guns or rocket launchers right? the assault rifle is no different it is military and has no purpose with private citizens you can't deny that either.

kyro

why you need sks, you a bad shot and need 100 rounds to hit it ? why not just throw sticks of dynomite at it hahahaha

you could kill a boar with a slug and shot gun.

StickyGreen

And nothing has changed concerning the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. The threat of tyranny and oppression will always exist.

StickyGreen

Yes assault rifles do have a purpose... the purpose which is explained in the 2nd Amendment.

StickyGreen

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting so it's pretty pointless to even bring it up.

Mr Pheer

You did not post to an article about assault rifles.

This is what I've been trying to point out. Assault rifle and assault weapon have two different legal definitions.

And you keep going on about the two as if they are the same.

An assault weapon is legal for most people to own and does not have to be registered in most states. But an assault rifle does have to be registered with the federal government, and some states do not allow their possession at all. Get caught with an unregistered assault rifle and you'll be spending 5 to 10 years in federal prison.

They are clearly very different.

dyna mo

it's like shooting fish in a barrel with an assault rifle! lolz.


keep on fighting yourself mr. pheer. you can keep up with the "cleary very different" all day and while you are standing on your soap box about that, anti-assault weapons bills are passing.

classic.

JP-pornshooter

well there is a practical purpose to a car, it is a means of transportation.
the speed limit is not absolute, some places you can safely go faster so some flexibility is in order.
some cars have speed chips, and i am pretty sure more of this technology is coming.
this is a different debate though, but if your objective is to save lives then it should be looked upon.
however it should not detract from the gun control debate.

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Mr Pheer

Ok.

and then...

^^ not a single assault rifle in all 21 pages of that article.

Classic.

kyro

you guys are a lone ways from flint lock rifle and revolver pistol.

kyro

then why cant you have a canon, automatic gun, gernade ???

StickyGreen

So what? The principle remains the same regardless of the type of gun.

StickyGreen

We can't have Cuban cigars or cocaine either... no one said it's a completely free country...

Mr Pheer

Watch the video I posted.

And actually, those weapons are allowed as NFA items in most states. Except for cannons... I'm not sure about that one.

Automatic guns, grenades, silencers, etc are allowed with background checks, a $200 tax stamp, and about 2 - 4 months to process the paperwork.

StickyGreen

I think most people can agree that "arms" refers to firearms, not grenades, canons, etc.

dyna mo

cannons for sale

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...=1293&bih=1078

dyna mo

it's cannon, not canon. how can we have a legitimate gfy discussion about the matter if you do not use proper lingo/jargon/terminology? we can't. And there are legal issues with your only including firearms in your definition of arms.






















I keed. i keed. !!11

Gozarian

Keep your chin up, kyro, you will go through puberty SOME DAY.

AdultPornMasta

You are quite wrong and thank you for demonstrating the ignorance of the (below) average anti-gunner.

Properly registered (National Firearms Act) machine guns are quite legal. Certain kinds of cannons, specifically muzzle loading cannons are completely legal. Breechloading cannons are controlled by the National Firearms Act (NFA) as "Destructive Devices" and upon application and payment of the tax are completely legal under federal law.

I think that you would not know an assault rifle if you dropped one on your foot but your misguided effort was cute.

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Rochard

I own multiple assault rifles.

I am the sort of person who likes to be prepared for everything. I live through an earthquake where we didn't have power for a week, and now we stock extra food "just in case". Not a big deal, just make sure we always have a few extra cases of water on hand and extra canned goods. More recently most of my hometown had to evacuate on very short notice due to a propane train fire, and while I didn't have to evacuate most of my neighbors did and they had horror stories about how they had to live away from home with such short notice. We keep little escape bags in the garage so if we ever have to leave, we'll have a few days of clothes on hand when we leave.

Over the past few years the economy has been rough, and in the back my mind I had some "quiet concerns" that if anything was to happen - riots, society breaking down, end of the world stuff - it would be nice to be prepared.

For me, firearms are tools. They were a tool we used to hunt deer with, and off season we did some target practice. Today the NRA has turned it into a huge industry, and has a large percentage of the population living in fear and making us feel the need to "protect ourselves" while over all crime is dropping. While I understand this is a hobby for some people - a lot of people - assault rifles is not something the general public needs. Fun, yes, sure, but not something you should need to defend your house with. An AR15 is the weapon I trained with in boot camp, the M16. Unless you plan on going up against a dozen people, you don't need an assault rifle.

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kyro

according to mr pheer you do not own any assault rifles. only the military does.

kyro

rocket launchers and granades ? what about them ?

AdultPornMasta

Grenades and certain kinds of rocket launchers are also classified as "Destructive Devices" and can be owned if properly registered.

My M-16 and yes, I wrote M-16, with "Safe", "Fire", "Three Shot Burst" and my personal favorite, "Full Auto", otherwise known as "Group Therapy" would probably give you projectile running at both ends if you even saw it. I have several uppers and a properly registered suppressor which fit it just fine.

I also own several other properly registered NFA weapons including a couple of short barelled shotguns and fabricate my own suppressors via a properly filled out Form and payment of tax. I file the Form with the check for the tax and upon approval from ATF go out to the shop and get busy. I have a .22 LR pistol that you can actually hear the firing pin click when it is fired, it is that quiet.

You may now go shit yourself.

Ted Kennedy killed more people than I or my guns have.

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Mr Pheer

Here are a couple of my rifles.




Is either of them an assault rifle?

It's a trick question... as I know the answer. But does Rochard?

Mr Pheer

I've never said that.

DWB

They have to be given the chance to break a law, otherwise they would be enslaved humans doing only what they were instructed to do. Part of being a free or somewhat free human is the freedom to make the wrong choices.

I live in an area of the world where there are more bicycles and mopeds than cars. China alone has 1/3 of the world's population and the majority of them do not own cars. You only think you need a car. Cars are nothing more than a convenience. Guns existed long before cars and people got around just fine. And while guns may be less useful than a car, it is still the operator who decides what it is used for.

As far as I know the top speed limit is only 85mph. When speed limits reach 140 - 160mph in the USA we'll have that debate. Though, a speed chip is a brilliant invention if they put them on every car on the road.

There is no such thing as real gun control. I honestly don't understand how so many of you refuse to acknowledge the elephant sitting in the room, which is criminals and violent crazy people do not follow the law, ever. People who are gung-ho on killing others obviously throw the concept of law out of the window the moment they decide to go on a killing spree. You can pass 10000000000 gun laws and it doesn't matter to those who are actually going to use them for killing someone. Gun laws penalize honest and responsible citizens, that's it.

You can never legislate your way out of a problem that is created by violent people. NEVER. Won't work. Can't work. But I'll play along and lets say they ban assault weapons totally. OK, pats on the back for everyone. Now what is going to happen when the next crazy uses an existing assault weapon and kills a bunch more kids? A 2nd ban on them? "This time we really mean it." OK, so somehow they magically round them all up and destroy them. Criminals and crazy will then choose the next weapon of choice, which will be a semi-automatic or just a handgun. 7 bullets from a good shot can kill 7 kids. And with a speed loader, you can kill 7 more probably before someone *might* take you down. This is assuming you only have one 7 shot pistol. Ban them too? I could fuck up a small room full of people with a shotgun if I wanted to. Ban them? Good luck with all that.

These whack jobs are going to use whatever tools are at their disposal. So unless they confiscate and destroy every gun in the world (which would be great), not a single law is going to change anything.

Evil1

1. you can, some dipshit in my state blew a hole in a wall last year. They couldn't even figure out what to charge him with. telegram.com/article/20120708/NEWS/107089726/0
2. wtf? you can, just not cheap. gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325452980 Where the hell do people get this idea that no one can get a full auto gun?
3. probably a violation of the 2nd that you can't. But they're pretty easy to make if the reason the second is there becomes necessary.

thanks for playing.

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ok, so lock em up and don't use them until the 'revolution' happens.

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JP-pornshooter

I disagree, look at many European countries where guns for the most part are off limits.
There are very few mass shootings.
How are the rules in Singapore? I think that place is one of the safest places on the planet.

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Gozarian

Off limits in Europe lol. I purchased, legally, last week 2 Glock's and a Baikal 12 ga double barrel along with a carry permit.