Question to the US peeps who own assault rifles

[kyro]

What is your case that you should be able to own them. you have a right to bear arms but that is rifles and guns, what makes you need an assault rifle? a hand gun is used for protection. you don't hunt with assault rifle. i dont understand how assault riffle is not just for military. can a gun nut explain this to me ?

[Mr Pheer]

I seriously doubt two things here.

1. That anyone here actually owns an assault rifle.
2. That you even know the definition of assault rifle.

[Roald]

Here we go again.....

[kyro]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I seriously doubt two things here.

1. That anyone here actually owns an assault rifle.
2. That you even know the definition of assault rifle.

Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages.

In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms. Semi-automatic firearms fire one bullet (round) each time the trigger is pulled; the spent cartridge case is ejected and another cartridge is loaded into the chamber, without the manual operation of a bolt handle, a lever, or a sliding handgrip. An assault weapon has a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.[1] Most assault weapons are rifles, but some are pistols or shotguns. Proposed legislation formerly under consideration attempted to define the term even more broadly to mean any semi-automatic firearm, any firearm with a detachable magazine, or handguns holding more than 10 rounds which includes the majority of all firearms,[2] but died in committee before even coming to a vote.[3] The exact definition of the term in this context thus varies among each of the various jurisdictions that limit or prohibit assault weapon manufacture, importation, sale, or possession, and legislative attempts are often made to change the definitions. Governing and defining laws include the now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban, as well as state and local laws. Whether or not assault weapons should be legally restricted more than other firearms, how they should be defined, and even whether or not the term "assault weapon" should be used at all, are questions subject to considerable debate.[4][5]

In more casual usage, the term "assault weapon" is sometimes conflated with the term "assault rifle". An assault rifle is a military rifle that utilizes an intermediate-power cartridge, and that generally is capable of full-automatic fire, where multiple rounds are fired continuously when the trigger is pulled one time — that is, a machine gun — or burst capable, where a burst of several rounds is fired when the trigger is pulled one time.[6] In the United States, full-automatic firearms are heavily restricted, and regulated by federal laws such as the National Firearms Act of 1934, as well as some state and local laws.

The use of the term "assault weapon" is also highly controversial, as critics assert that the term is a media invention,[7] or a term that is intended to cause confusion among the public by intentionally misleading the public to believe that assault weapons (as defined in legislation) are full automatic firearms when they are not.[8]

[DWB]

Originally Posted by kyro

What is your case that you should be able to own them. you have a right to bear arms but that is rifles and guns, what makes you need an assault rifle? a hand gun is used for protection. you don't hunt with assault rifle. i dont understand how assault riffle is not just for military. can a gun nut explain this to me ?

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

There are street classes for driving...regardless anyone who is a "professional" doesnt drive in full street trim anyway.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by kyro

An assault rifle is a military rifle that utilizes an intermediate-power cartridge, and that generally is capable of full-automatic fire, where multiple rounds are fired continuously when the trigger is pulled one time ? that is, a machine gun ? or burst capable, where a burst of several rounds is fired when the trigger is pulled one time.[6] In the United States, full-automatic firearms are heavily restricted, and regulated by federal laws such as the National Firearms Act of 1934, as well as some state and local laws.

That is the only part of everything that you posted that defines an assault rifle, or in other words, a machine gun. And you probably didnt know it yourself before you went on a search to cut and paste.

Which goes right along with what I said... I doubt anyone here owns one. And if anyone actually does, it will be very few.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

Exactly, if I hold up a liquor store, I want to be able to blow away the nursery school next store too.

Admitting that there is no practical use for an assault rifle is not a help to the gun nut side.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

There are street classes for driving...regardless anyone who is a "professional" doesnt drive in full street trim anyway.

I think you may have missed my point.

This is essentially the same argument anti-gun nutters are using. Why does the public need assault rifles? For the same reason they need cars that can double the speed limit. Because you can speed doesn't mean you will, just as you can flip out and gun down a school, but that doesn't mean you will either. But the cars go to 140+ and the guns can shoot rapidly. It's up to the person controlling the machine to decide what he or she is going to do with it.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by slapass

Exactly, if I hold up a liquor store, I want to be able to blow away the nursery school next store too.

Admitting that there is no practical use for an assault rifle is not a help to the gun nut side.

Of course there is no "practical use" for an assault rifle. It has one job, fire bullets rapidly. Hardly practical or needed. It simply does what it was created to do should the person operating it want to use it for such. There is also no practical use for your car being able to double the speed limit either. But you probably own a car, are not a professional drivers, yet speed often.

Many things don't have practical uses. But we want them and should have the right to own them if we are responsible. Maybe gun owners who want assault weapons should have to take the same sort of training and test as everyone does when they first get their drivers license. That still won't stop a criminal or a crazy person, but at least it will show they are trying to be responsible with their machine.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by DWB

I think you may have missed my point.

This is essentially the same argument anti-gun nutters are using. Why does the public need assault rifles? For the same reason they need cars that can double the speed limit. Because you can speed doesn't mean you will, just as you can flip out and gun down a school, but that doesn't mean you will either. But the cars go to 140+ and the guns can shoot rapidly. It's up to the person controlling the machine to decide what he or she is going to do with it.

I know I was being facetious. That rule can be applicable to many situations. I agree there is no need for 800-1000HP cars, but we make them because we want them. Same like anything else. This gun stuff is getting way out of hand.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

I know I was being facetious. That rule can be applicable to many situations

Got ya. Yea, indeed it can.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kyro

you don't hunt with assault rifle.

Here's a list of 20 assault rifles ideal for hunting.

also, target shooting is a very popular sport and uses assault rifles.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/ga...g-game-hunting

not me:

Living in southeast Alaska, I can tell you the semi autos have their place. I do alpine hikes and other hunts over very rugged terrain and being able to have something with a more tactical design is very useful. Glacier rivers, steep mountains and thick brsuh demand a more versatile hunting weapon than can be used in the worst weather conditions possbile. But the biggest reason for a semi auto would be protection, I need something that will stop bears, and fast. I usually lug around my big revolver but it would be nice to have the combination of my hunting rifle and protection gun in one. Though they may not be the pratical gun everywhere, Semi autos in the big game caliber are useful in the islands of Southeast Alaska.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Here's a list of 20 assault rifles ideal for hunting.

also, target shooting is a very popular sport and uses assault rifles.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/ga...g-game-hunting

Welcome back homeboy !!!

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[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Here's a list of 20 assault rifles ideal for hunting.

also, target shooting is a very popular sport and uses assault rifles.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/ga...g-game-hunting

not me:

1. Assault rifles are not popular for hunting or even target practice, unless you go to one of those ranges such as in Las Vegas where you can shoot a machine gun.

2. An AR15 is not an assault rifle. It is a semi-automatic rifle.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Welcome back homeboy !!!

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hey man!

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

1. Assault rifles are not popular for hunting or even target practice, unless you go to one of those ranges such as in Las Vegas where you can shoot a machine gun.

2. An AR15 is not an assault rifle. It is a semi-automatic rifle.

relax. I've owned 2 bushmaster ar-15s, hell, iv'e given them away to employees as bonuses.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hey man!


relax. I've owned 2 bushmaster ar-15s, hell, iv'e given them away to employees as bonuses.

I've owned many. But they were not assault rifles.

The M16A2 I carried in the Army, that was an assault rifle.

There is a difference.

[96ukssob]

The answer is BECAUSE WE CAN!

No reason other than that

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I've owned many. But they were not assault rifles.

The M16A2 I carried in the Army, that was an assault rifle.

There is a difference.

so what.

i typed "auto" in my haste, instead of "semi-auto", bfd. i changed the original post so you will feel like you made a difference.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

so what.

i typed "auto" in my haste, instead of "semi-auto", bfd. i changed the original post so you will feel like you made a difference.

An AR15 is not an assault rifle. A semi-automatic rifle is not an assault rifle.

But you guys keep saying assault rifles. I'm starting to wonder if anyone here can read.

Hey, lets start referring to teen porn as child porn. It's the same shit right... since a teen can be either a child or an adult. Whats the difference, other than one term is correct and the other is not... why worry about the small technical details.

Understand now?

[kyro]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

i agree

[kyro]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

That is the only part of everything that you posted that defines an assault rifle, or in other words, a machine gun. And you probably didnt know it yourself before you went on a search to cut and paste.

Which goes right along with what I said... I doubt anyone here owns one. And if anyone actually does, it will be very few.

you are wrong, there is likely people here who owns the assault rifle like the one used in sandy hook or the movie theater shooting. you can go to store in every us city and buy those guns off the rack.

[kyro]

Originally Posted by DWB

It's up to the person controlling the machine to decide what he or she is going to do with it.

this part is wrong. people should not be given a choice to break the law when it can easily be prevented. make assualt rifle illegal and dont sell them, then you don't need to leave it up to the person if they want to break the law. easy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

An AR15 is not an assault rifle. A semi-automatic rifle is not an assault rifle.

But you guys keep saying assault rifles. I'm starting to wonder if anyone here can read.

Hey, lets start referring to teen porn as child porn. It's the same shit right... since a teen can be either a child or an adult. Whats the difference, other than one term is correct and the other is not... why worry about the small technical details.

Understand now?

hey brainiac, it's clear to anybody who takes the time to try and figure it out that the op was referring to the weapon used at sandy hook. i figured that out in about .223 seconds. you just want to feel superior, that's why you get hung up on jargon.

to wit:

Originally Posted by kyro

you are wrong, there is likely people here who owns the assault rifle like the one used in sandy hook or the movie theater shooting. you can go to store in every us city and buy those guns off the rack.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by kyro

you are wrong, there is likely people here who owns the assault rifle like the one used in sandy hook or the movie theater shooting. you can go to store in every us city and buy those guns off the rack.

He did not use an assault rifle.

This is like talking to Special Ed kids.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hey brainiac, it's clear to anybody who takes the time to try and figure it out that the op was referring to the weapon used at sandy hook. i figured that out in about .223 seconds. you just want to feel superior, that's why you get hung up on jargon.

to wit:

See my above statement, rinse and repeat.

[kyro]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

He did not use an assault rifle.

This is like talking to Special Ed kids.

what did he use then? i know it was semi automatic but it was still assualt style, shoots high velocity and holds about 50 bullets in a clip. now tell me what the fuck purpose you need a weapon like that for special ed ????????????????????

[kyro]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

See my above statement, rinse and repeat.

see my above statement, gun nut.



WHAT IS PURPOSE OF THOSE GUNS?? IS THJAT YOU>????

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by kyro

see my above statement, gun nut.



WHAT IS PURPOSE OF THOSE GUNS?? IS THJAT YOU>????

No, I have blue eyes.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

See my above statement, rinse and repeat.

settle down. no one in this thread is coming for your guns so chill.

[mineistaken]

too many gun threads in general and too many by the same member

[dyna mo]

this thread reminds me of when i went to the doctor last time and he asked me to describe my symptoms then got snooty when i didn't use the *correct* medical terminology.

i then sneezed on him and said, "i'm sick, see?".

i got my message across that way.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

I think it's ridiculous how people label anyone who owns a gun a "nut." We should start adding "nut" to the end of everything. Porn nut. Dog nut. Phone nut. Golf club nut.

[CurrentlySober]

i cant even a4d to get a 'semi'...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I think it's ridiculous how people label anyone who owns a gun a "nut." We should start adding "nut" to the end of everything. Porn nut. Dog nut. Phone nut. Golf club nut.

poonut

i like poonuts...

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

settle down. no one in this thread is coming for your guns so chill.

I'm not concerned about anybody coming for anything.

I'm just trying to explain that the term ASSAULT RIFLE means a select-fire weapon capable of fully-automatic fire or "burst" with each pull of the trigger.

An AR15 is not capable of this, and therefor it is not an assault rifle.

And then you guys keep going with this assault rifle crap.

Incorrect use of the term by the media has you guys calling rifles by the wrong terms, and you guys seem to have great difficulty accepting this.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by kyro

see my above statement, gun nut.



WHAT IS PURPOSE OF THOSE GUNS?? IS THJAT YOU>????

Study the 2nd Amendment and why it was written and you will understand what the purpose of guns is in the USA. The founding fathers explained it in detail, it shouldn't be so difficult to understand.

The Bill of Rights are something that are meant to last for as long as possible, they are always relevant regardless of how much people are led to believe that "times have changed" or that we're living "in the future" now.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I'm not concerned about anybody coming for anything.

I'm just trying to explain that the term ASSAULT RIFLE means a select-fire weapon capable of fully-automatic fire or "burst" with each pull of the trigger.

An AR15 is not capable of this, and therefor it is not an assault rifle.

And then you guys keep going with this assault rifle crap.

Incorrect use of the term by the media has you guys calling rifles by the wrong terms, and you guys seem to have great difficulty accepting this.

again, as i stated previously, in my haste to complete my post linking the op to SEMI-auto rifles, i wrote "assault" instead of "semi-auto" introducing a link to SEMI-auto weapons.

but more importantly, if the general populace is not knowledgeable about guns (many of whom have never even held a gun), as a gun nut, the onus is on you to get people on your page, lest you end up losing your guns to anti-gun nuts who lump them in with automatic weapons, not getting uppity about it. that only makes you look like a gun nut.

[Mr Pheer]

An attorney educates a reporter on the air about the 2nd amendment and gun ownership.

[suesheboy]

I boar hunt with my SKS and yes I have an extended clip, folding stock and the original issue bayonet still mounted. Never took it up to NY though.

No limit on wild boar. Kill as many as fast as you can....

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

Can't compare cars and guns, because cars are infinitely more useful to civilian society than guns. We can lose guns, but not cars -- unless you want to put wheels on a rifle and load people into it.

[dyna mo]

New York passes major gun control law -- registration of all ASSAULT weapons required, as per the bill.

government must have fubar'ed the jargon.

[dyna mo]

mr. phere, you have your work cut out for you......

the new york bill:

Beginning in 1 year:

An assault weapon is any firearm with a detachable magazine, period
All assault weapons will be registered
7 rounds maximum is the new magic number
Any magazine larger than 10 rounds will be confiscated
No new 10 round magazines allowed after this new ban, preban 10-rounders are grandfathered (7rounds max)
NICS background check to buy 1 bullet, which can only be sold by authorized retailers



derp eh.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

New York passes major gun control law -- registration of all ASSAULT weapons required, as per the bill.

government must have fubar'ed the jargon.

How are laws like that going to stop things from happening like what happened in Connecticut? The kid supposedly stole the guns from his mother, it wouldn't have made any difference if the guns were "registered" or not.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

How are laws like that going to stop things from happening like what happened in Connecticut? The kid supposedly stole the guns from his mother, it wouldn't have made any difference if the guns were "registered" or not.

i couldn't care less.


i posted that to point out to dude that his definition of assault is not getting very far with the no-gun nuts and in the general populace.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

mr. phere, you have your work cut out for you......

the new york bill:

Beginning in 1 year:

An assault weapon is any firearm with a detachable magazine, period
All assault weapons will be registered
7 rounds maximum is the new magic number
Any magazine larger than 10 rounds will be confiscated
No new 10 round magazines allowed after this new ban, preban 10-rounders are grandfathered (7rounds max)
NICS background check to buy 1 bullet, which can only be sold by authorized retailers



derp eh.

Why can you not understand the difference between assault rifle and assault weapon?

"derp" indeed.

[Smut]

Originally Posted by kyro

What is your case that you should be able to own them. you have a right to bear arms but that is rifles and guns, what makes you need an assault rifle? a hand gun is used for protection. you don't hunt with assault rifle. i dont understand how assault riffle is not just for military. can a gun nut explain this to me ?

Where does it say rifles and guns only?

If the Russians and Jews had assault rifles, the Holocaust would have gone a lot differently.

[Elli]

Technically, aren't all firearms made with the purpose of "assaulting" enemies or targets? Surely that's what you would call throwing high speed projectiles at someone with intent to do harm.

Sure, I have a car, but it's a non-driving car. It's the kind that wasn't made to actually go anywhere. I plant flower in it and use it for a lawn ornament. It sure was expensive, though.

Assaulting is what firearms are FOR. It's the definition of their function, their raison d'etre. Discussing which firearm is for assaulting what target and in what particular fashion may be beside the point.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do you have a car that can do 140mph+ when the speed limit is only 55 - 75mph?

Cars that can reach those speeds are made for speeding only. Over 10,000 deaths occur per year in the USA due to excessive speed. I don't understand why anyone other that professional car racers would need a car that could go that fast. Can a car nut please explain this to me?

it's fun?????

[MakingItPay]

Our right to have guns was not put into our constitution for hunting. That is a common misconception perpetrated by the media. It is to fight against government tyranny. As long as everything is cool, you don't need a semi automatic rifle with a big clip. But ask the Korean Grocers on top of their store during the South Central riots if they needed assault rifles when mobs of looters were roaming the streets looking for places to loot and people to beat up. When the infrastructure breaks down due to a natural disaster, or man made disaster, and the police can't handle the level of chaos, then we need the power to protect ourselves from mayhem. I know you probably believe the government always has your personal interests in mind and they just want to make sure you and your family is safe with everything they do, but there are those of us who like the check and balance of an armed population.