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L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 01:02 PM

Anyone here ever file for "patent pending" status ... "Provisional Application for Patent"

How was your experience?

Did you file electronically, by mail?

Thanks in advance, Lee

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Cystomatic · 01-31-2013, 01:05 PM

Innovation on GFY?

CAN'T BE TRUE!!!

seeandsee · 01-31-2013, 01:07 PM

Only in my second life, if i make something :D

baddog · 01-31-2013, 01:07 PM

We started the process via Legal Zoom

stinkyfingers · 01-31-2013, 01:08 PM

you need an attorney or you're going to get fucked ( real not internets ) ... warning error

epitome · 01-31-2013, 01:16 PM

Yup, get a patent attorney. Even if you get one granted, it's still got to be strong enough to protect you. Now trademarks... I've filed many on my own, hard to screw that up if you understand the process. Would never touch a patent though.

bean-aid · 01-31-2013, 01:55 PM

Yes, costs about 1k for a real attorney to do it. That gives you a year to file the actual patent.

The patent then usually costs 10K plus.

Those are pa prices.

bushwacker · 01-31-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anyone here ever file for "patent pending" status ... "Provisional Application for Patent"

How was your experience?

Did you file electronically, by mail?

Thanks in advance, Lee

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Yes i filed it myself by mail, the provisional application is relatively easy. Filing the actual patent is the difficult part. When I did it you had a year to file, after your provisional application is accepted.

epitome · 01-31-2013, 02:03 PM

Totally missed the pending part... Whoops

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 02:05 PM

Are there any negatives to filing the provisional application? All I really see are the positives, quickly having an idea "dated" as well marketed while allowing more time for the detailed non provisional design to be approved. Am I missing something.

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L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Totally missed the pending part... Whoops

Yea, from what I've researched the "pending" part allows a quick dating of your idea with the ability to market it while working on the more detailed aspects of a traditional patent.

bushwacker · 01-31-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Are there any negatives to filing the provisional application? All I really see are the positives, quickly having an idea "dated" as well marketed while allowing more time for the detailed non provisional design to be approved. Am I missing something.

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None that I can think of. You are exactly right the provisional give you "first rights" to the product. Good luck.

epitome · 01-31-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Yea, from what I've researched the "pending" part allows a quick dating of your idea with the ability to market it while working on the more detailed aspects of a traditional patent.

Yeah, if you can do that on your own just don't short yourself on the actual patent filing by not retaining a patent attorney. He/she is the expert that will get you make sure you're fully protected the best you can be.

johnnyloadproductions · 01-31-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Yes, costs about 1k for a real attorney to do it. That gives you a year to file the actual patent.

The patent then usually costs 10K plus.

Those are pa prices.

That's what I thought, pricey. My dad has had 10+ patents put under his name for his EE work.

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

We started the process via Legal Zoom

You didn't see any negatives in a provisional application then?

AdultPornMasta · 01-31-2013, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anyone here ever file for "patent pending" status ... "Provisional Application for Patent"

How was your experience?

Did you file electronically, by mail?

Thanks in advance, Lee

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I hold several patents which are not really worth anything now but you need to have a patent attorney conduct the patent search and file your docs or you could get fucked hard.

I spent a couple K a few years back when I did it and it could cost more now. Well worth it though as you never know when something will really take off.

SDSimon · 01-31-2013, 03:40 PM

Hi Lee
I have experience in that area.
I had great results but had an attorney.

>>>Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!<<<

Bill8 · 01-31-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Yes, costs about 1k for a real attorney to do it. That gives you a year to file the actual patent.

The patent then usually costs 10K plus.

Those are pa prices.

I can confirm that, altho it's more like $1200 now.

ilnjscb · 01-31-2013, 04:57 PM

It depends on the nature of the patent. In civil cases, it is 51% to win. Even a provisional patent is stronger than nothing. A full patent and you can tie opposing party up for as long as you need regardless of what they have.

Yes, file yourself electronically, and call the USTPO (use the number on your application) and they'll help you.

I'm assuming this is not at engineering, chemical, process, or other complex patent.

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I'm assuming this is not at engineering, chemical, process, or other complex patent.

Based on my posts? lol

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Far-L · 01-31-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anyone here ever file for "patent pending" status ... "Provisional Application for Patent"

How was your experience?

Did you file electronically, by mail?

Thanks in advance, Lee

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We have. I suggest you get a good patent firm to help you because if it is something you are serious about then it is worth the investment.

Fish and Richardson is a good one that has offices around the country.

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 05:18 PM

Thanks everyone. I'm going to file for a provisional patent on Monday. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Getting it "reserved" and marketed while filing for a traditional patent is the way I think I should go.

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keysync · 01-31-2013, 08:25 PM

what does it cost to file a provisional?

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keysync

what does it cost to file a provisional?

Minimal, little over a hundred dollars.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't compromising anything long term by going this route.

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shake · 01-31-2013, 08:59 PM

You'll probably have some kind of time limit for filing a real patent nationally and internationally, and I believe the clock starts ticking when you file the paperwork, but I think they are pretty fair.

bean-aid · 01-31-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Minimal, little over a hundred dollars.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't compromising anything long term by going this route.

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I think you are compromising something if you don't go with a patent attorney. There is always certain "legal" language that should be followed. And I think doing it yourself for a little over a hundred, you may be forgetting something. I'm not sure though. good luck either way.

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I think you are compromising something if you don't go with a patent attorney. There is always certain "legal" language that should be followed. And I think doing it yourself for a little over a hundred, you may be forgetting something. I'm not sure though. good luck either way.

But an advantage is the patent starts taking effect protection wise the day I file vs waiting X amount of time for normal patent approval. Unless I've misunderstood the procedure. That's why I'm asking.

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BFT3K · 01-31-2013, 10:08 PM

Design patent vs utility patent...

http://www.patent-ideas.com/Design-U...ty-Patent.aspx

A utility patent has more teeth, but costs much more.

bean-aid · 01-31-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

But an advantage is the patent starts taking effect protection wise the day I file vs waiting X amount of time for normal patent approval. Unless I've misunderstood the procedure. That's why I'm asking.

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I'm just saying spend the 1K (likely 1.2K as someone posted) to file the patent pending app. Use an attorney for it, don't do it yourself. There is always attorney language which you don't know, other forms you may not know about. It is pennies if you think the idea is good...

p.s. What is the idea? ;)

L-Pink · 01-31-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Design patent vs utility patent...

http://www.patent-ideas.com/Design-U...ty-Patent.aspx

A utility patent has more teeth, but costs much more.

Both of those take at least a year or two until you receive any type of patent protection. What do you do until then, pray?
The provisional patent instantly offenders protection, patent pending, until a regular patent is issued. Which is why I'm inclined to file for one. One thing I really hate is cold calling law firms.

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MrMaxwell · 02-01-2013, 12:38 AM

I always thought that leaving a patent in pending status made something better, I can't remember what though. Patents are slippery as HELL - I would say use a patent attorney. There's no reason they could not quickly file whatever you can. They'll just want to do a search to be sure that it doesn't conflict with any other patents (before they go forward with causing an actual patent) because there are so fucking many of them out there.

MrMaxwell · 02-01-2013, 12:39 AM

PS: Just don't ever call those inventor line things. God damned thieves. I did when I was maybe, what, thirteen? And my idea was on the shelves a year later. Cocksuckers.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	Yup, get a patent attorney. Even if you get one granted, it's still got to be strong enough to protect you. Now trademarks... I've filed many on my own, hard to screw that up if you understand the process. Would never touch a patent though.

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bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	Yes, costs about 1k for a real attorney to do it. That gives you a year to file the actual patent. The patent then usually costs 10K plus. Those are pa prices.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	Totally missed the pending part... Whoops

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Are there any negatives to filing the provisional application? All I really see are the positives, quickly having an idea "dated" as well marketed while allowing more time for the detailed non provisional design to be approved. Am I missing something. .

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SDSimon Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calif. USA Posts: 140	Hi Lee I have experience in that area. I had great results but had an attorney. >>>Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!<<<

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ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,788	It depends on the nature of the patent. In civil cases, it is 51% to win. Even a provisional patent is stronger than nothing. A full patent and you can tie opposing party up for as long as you need regardless of what they have. Yes, file yourself electronically, and call the USTPO (use the number on your application) and they'll help you. I'm assuming this is not at engineering, chemical, process, or other complex patent.

01-31-2013, 05:18 PM	#22
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Thanks everyone. I'm going to file for a provisional patent on Monday. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Getting it "reserved" and marketed while filing for a traditional patent is the way I think I should go. .

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Design patent vs utility patent... http://www.patent-ideas.com/Design-U...ty-Patent.aspx A utility patent has more teeth, but costs much more.

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MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	I always thought that leaving a patent in pending status made something better, I can't remember what though. Patents are slippery as HELL - I would say use a patent attorney. There's no reason they could not quickly file whatever you can. They'll just want to do a search to be sure that it doesn't conflict with any other patents (before they go forward with causing an actual patent) because there are so fucking many of them out there.

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MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	PS: Just don't ever call those inventor line things. God damned thieves. I did when I was maybe, what, thirteen? And my idea was on the shelves a year later. Cocksuckers.