hellboy78

Hi everyone

I'm trying to understand which affiliate system is better for me.

I normally use zombaio as payment processor.

but I'm looking for affiliate system, now:

NATS or MPA3
pro: I can manage a lot of different campaigns, revshare, PPS, ect.
I didn't understand how cross-sales works, I mean, I have also some sponsors with 1 day trial, may I use that offer as cross sales into my site?
if yes this can be a very huge profit.
contro: I have to implement the payout with webmasterchecks or other company

another option is
make my own affiliate system with "zombaio api"
I can pay my programmer to set the zombaio affiliate system into a new site,
-pro: very easy to setup, zombaio generate check and wire automatically, I can send emails to all affiliates and all active or inactive members
-contro: I cannot use PPS on trial, but only revshare or PPS without trials(I'm more interested into revshare, PPS on trials are too risky)
I cannot use cross-sales and make profit on it, I can use the cross-sale by zombaio only.
Maybe all affiliate will trust only nats or mpa3, and not my own zombaio.

well
if you can give me an advice I will appreciate that
and if you can explain me how cross-sales works on NATS and MPA3.....I cannot believe I can make that very huge profit.

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hellboy78

a lot of infos
thanks

I have to understand how works cross-sales

seeandsee

I recommend NATS 4.1, check all stuff they offer, there is no better affiliate system !!!

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hellboy78

also MPA3 looks very nice

Lace

Use your own so you can shave. Only count some post-backs, don't credit for secondary processors, redirect all mobile traffic to your own affiliate codes, and use a $200 min payout with checks only.

You'll be rich in no time. Then you can join Bob Rice in Panama and learn the big boy tips-and-tricks.

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hellboy78

I hope is a joke

first: I don't shave anything

second: my own affiliate system will be made with zombaio affiliate API, so, it's impossible to shave anything

TMM_Vlad

If you're looking for the best affiliate tracking software in the industry used by thousands of affiliates and program owners that is fully scalable and highly configurable then NATS is the right solution for you.

With NATS we make it easy to set up cross sells between 2 NATS programs or you can even set up cross sales with something other than NATS. You can see how they are setup by going here: http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.p...ng_Cross_Sells

Our latest version has been completely redesigned with a ton of affiliate feedback and is packed with many new features like campaign tracking with traffic tags, default adtools types such as IM pop-ups, page overlays and much more.

The NATS skins are easily customizable with our new CSS theme builder. Just upload a logo and change any color element you want with our CSS color picker and your good to go! You can even use your own design with NATS if you'd like.

With NATS you can also cascade multiple billers, we have over 90+ billing companies integrated into our system for you to choose from.

We also have an option for CCBill paid program integration where NATS does the tracking and CCBill does the payouts.

You will receive training by one of our in-house techs that will guide you through the entire admin interface, show you how to use every feature, and get you comfortable overall with using NATS.

Unlike most software providers our demo & pricing are 100% public, you can play with the demo all you would like to at www.democash.com and you can see full pricing at https://www.toomuchmedia.com/pp_nats-pricing.htm

Our tier 1 license only starts at $150 per month and has a one-time setup fee of $750, which includes installation, training, and unlimited support.

Please let me know if you have any questions at all.

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JamesM

If already available systems can do what you want , then there is no need to start from scratch.

NATS Is Best Piece of software for growing big.

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Take a look at Sliiing and do a search on this forum to see how our customers are satisfied.

Hit me up on ICQ or SKYPE. It is a decision that you will not regret. Our system is also allready integrated with Zombaio.

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Harmon

Jesus H. fucking Christ... I have read people calling you out for spamming... but really? I didn't believe it but man.... slow the fuck down

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Sliiing might be a good choice and the script writer is easy to work with.

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OY

Thank you :-)

I recommend getting a full one-on-one demo of both MPA3 and Nats to really see how they work in real life to make a truly educated decision. We can show you how to work the features you are interested in, on MPA3 v5, and at the same time you will be able to see how intuitive and technologically superb MPA3 is in comparison. We are fully integrated with Zombaio and a whole slew of other payment processors.

Let me know what timezone you are in, and we will make sure to find a suitable time to connect.

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hellboy78

Hi OY, you can add me at icq 627075487

Harmon

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bean-aid

When you said... "make my own affiliate system with "zombaio api" sliiing popped in my head.

It's already a fully functional tracking system and works with any biller, and it can be customized to suit your needs.

OY

Great. I'll add you when I get to my office :-)

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CarlosTheGaucho

Have better experience with MPA3 (with implementation and administration of the software) than NATS and the MPA3 crew has always been extremely knowledgeable, helpful and patient.

Now with all the new features including the possibility to compare billers in cascade - wouldn't hesitate to choose them again.

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signupdamnit

If you're looking for an affiliate system then I'd probably listen primarily to affiliates since that's the purpose for having the system, right?

I like CCBill or Verotel programs. Zombaio is one I tend not to mess with. I would consider it if there were no choice or the program were a great converter.

Nats with CCBill paid option is also good. I like being able to get paid by CCBill. There are no individual minimum payments and my check is always on time. There is also a bit more trust.

Nats only. I still have a positive feeling about Nats but it's more of a question of the program owner. My rule is if I don't think you'll be sending me a check at least every month then I won't bother signing up if it's a Nats program.

MPA3 only. In the past (around seven or eight years ago) there was a shave module built into the old version of the software, MPA2. Because of this many webmasters are distrustful though some aren't. I used to not mind it and joined MPA3 programs but then suddenly a program I used crashed with their conversions and rebills and I started looking into the past shave incident and Mansion's response more closely. I opened a thread here summarizing what happened and asked affiliates what they thought about MPA3 programs. Apparently Mansion Productions had GFY remove my thread from the main area for some reason despite there being nothing slanderous in the thread from me. That has really made me distrust MPA3 programs a bit more because I don't understand why Mansion Productions would want to silence me if they have moved on and truly learned from the mistake. I asked Mansion Productions to restore the topic but to my knowledge they have refused to do so.

Further on the MPA3 program I was referring to as I said conversions dropped. But here's the funny thing. I notice some stray hits going to a "pay-per-unique" program in the stats display. And coincidentally if you take the number of hits going to this "pay-per-unique" program (which doesn't actually exist as the program only has revshare officially) my conversions would be normal again. Now I can't say for sure what is going on there. Perhaps somewhere my link codes are wrong OR perhaps something sinister is going on. I am usually very careful with my link codes though. Just some input from me. I'm not saying I would never join another MPA3 program but I'm sharing my thoughts and opinions.

PS- Don't do the no commission for affiliates cross sales on revshare. This isn't 2002. It pisses those of us who are left off and makes us question your honesty. Conversions are bad enough in 2013. At least don't show the cross sales on your revshare affiliate links. We deserve a commission for the sales we send you. Run a fair deal and it'll show in the numbers and we'll push traffic to you. It used to be called a partnership program for a reason.

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He does get a bit overzealous with his links sometimes but he's still got some good information there in my opinion. Not my board, but at least his is useful.

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roganoli

If you want to be honest and pay people who work for you, just use CCBILL to attract more webmasters.

If you want to cheat just use those shits like NATS, MPA ...

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Great post!

hellboy78

thanks everyone

I saw NATS, and if you see the graphic, it very old, and the setup is very complicated

I saw MPA, and the graphic is more professional.

I'm going to test them both and see which is better.

what I'm looking for is:
-the cascade billing (so if something happen to zombaio in the future I can easly move to another biller)
- the automatic or semi-automatic payout
-must be easy to setup
-I have to implement with my wordpress plugin: yourmembers
-must be safe for all my affiliates

Kenny B!

As a program owner, I couldn't be happier with nats. Their support is fantastic, there's always someone available to answer questions and give a helping hand.

I don't understand webmasters that only work with ccbill programs claiming they are skeptical of 3rd party (nats, mpa, whatever) programs and that ccbill is safe. Never have all your eggs in one basket, work with reputable people and sleep easy. /rant

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hellboy78

yes, I think is important to use NATS or MPA if you are planning to have a big network of sites.

ruff

Nobody in this business shaves or cheats their affiliates. If you have heard otherwise it is a lie.

Forget Zombaio, if you want affiliates.

Use CCBill, get Woj to build you something and Bob's your uncle. Affiliates will love you.

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Struggle4Bucks

... yes but untill the time you have a big network of sites it's probably better to use your processor's programm, because you might strand broke on some beach if you have just started and burn your fingers on time and money consuming complicated stuff...

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hellboy78

you are right, but for start I will not use affiliates
I will do some good SEO, and buy some traffic

when I have a good income I can plan to make an affiliate program

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and btw check this out too http://www.signbucks.com/static/tips-for-sponsors

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hellboy78

I think I will use zombaio affiliate system to start.

they will handle affiliates payout.

I will create a wordpress blog with all banners, and I will use wordpress to send emails to all affiliates with news.

purecane

NATS.....we have several sites with multiple affiliates. our program runs fine, pays on time and is easy to understand. highly recommend you go with NATS.

Redfield

my vote goes to NATS + Webmasterchecks

it would be way to hard to code and debug your own system, and not even worth it

its funny that mainstream offers similar affiliate software but at a lower price point, for instance idevaffilite license is $200 one-time fee

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Great thread!

Always love to hear affiliates's opinions on such matters, since they're the backbone.

Thanks to the OP & contributors.

hellboy78

I'm trying to imagine to have 2 millions of affiliates,

how long it take generate a report with NATS, control everyone manually, send the report to webmasterchecks, control everycheck manually and send them out.

and this, every 2 weeks...

do you have a big company with 20 workers?
or you just have 100 affiliates?

my ideal is to make all automatic,
I'm a producer, director, writer,
I don't want to hire people only the manage payouts to affiliates

StinkyPink

Good luck then, there is more to running an affiliate program than just handling the payouts.

hellboy78

yes, of course there is a lot more.

but I tried to contact webmasterchecks, no answer
(a big NATS user told me about a bad experience with them)

I'm contacting other companies that make same service, no company address or fees explanation.

My idea was to make my own affiliate system with zombaio,
so zombaio will handle the payout automatically

I'm sure I will need some workers, to produce movies, convert videos, editing videos,
create new templates, new tours, new photos and ect.

but handling money is totally a different thing.

I just think is not possible if you don't have a big company with a good team of lawyers

hellboy78

I'm going to work with Marco from Sliiing to create my own affiliate system with zombaio,
full of features, and automatic payouts.

let's see if is possible

corvette

Hi hellboy78, I work for Webmasterchecks and am very sorry that you had not gotten a response from us. We had just hired more staff and that will help us make sure things don't slip through the cracks, like what apparently happened to you.

Ill review the leads that came in and make sure that we took care of them. On the second point, id like to hear about your friends concerns and see if anything can be done about them.

In the meantime, if youd like to talk, [email protected]

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hellboy78

well

you should turn on the ICQ, or just remove the ICQ number from your site.

you should add some infos about the service.
if I can use my account to generate checks and wire,
and the country requirement of the bank account.

about my friend and his bad experience? well, he just lost some money with you, and now he is using one of your competitor. that's all.

corvette

sorry, i just noticed this post.

We are going to change our websites around and will make those changes you mention, all very good points.

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hellboy78

after months waiting for a dedicated version of sliiing

I went for NATS,
if someone tell me that is easy to setup........

2 months of settings....
double tested everything myself...with a surprise everyday
now is "almost" done
almost
I hope it will work for long time

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hellboy78

I contacted them (cbtools)

no answer

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good luck man. Sliiing got his stuff hosted now... I think he made a thread about it 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Damn... 2 months of trouble shooting. It should be like this:

I need an affiliate tracking software... DAY 1

Ok... give me FTP and I will install it for you.

DAY 2... you are setup for affiliate tracking. Let me know if any issues.

This is not rocket science... yes I know what you went through. I did it before and my mind was blown...

hellboy78

I asked to Sliiing to setup automatic newsletter for ex-member

nothing....

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jimmycastor

dude, as a usual joe doe webmaster for you to know, i try dozens of new ccbill /epoch progs every month, but really think five times before joining another nats (only) program cause im allways in a risk that the stuff wont sell , the dude wont pay, or im left with a couple of unpaid sales on another burried program that didnt work for me and there hundreds out of it.

(its only a theory of mine), but im sure as a new starting program, you be able to get the biggest potential amount of affiliates with ccbill or even epoch , and thats whats the most intersting part when starting an affiliate program, getting affiliates for you to work

nats is great for big established big programs , ccbill is great for new smaller projects
nats and ccbill combined is awesome

hellboy78

I use NATS with ccbill payouts

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you don't need to promote sliiing to me

I spent months into chat with Marco,

I prefer not to give you more details,
but we are not happy about each other
Marco and me.

I joined judoporn......never received an answer to my email...

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