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Old 01-23-2013, 10:03 PM   #51
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50 Reasons Rand Paul will Never be President...

Obama and Romney addressed the Benghazi issue during the Presidential debates prior to the election:





As I recall, Obama won the election...

Not sure if anyone happened to read about the 29 proposals put forth by the independent task force that the State Department commissioned to report on how to better defend against other such future attacks:

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[Quoting Hillary Clinton's testimony today]:

So I immediately ordered a review of our security posture around the world, with particular scrutiny for high-threat posts. And I asked the Department of Defense to join Interagency Security Assessment Teams and to dispatch hundreds of additional Marine Security Guards.

I named the first Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for High Threat Posts so that missions in dangerous places get the attention they need. And we reached out to Congress to help address physical vulnerabilities, including risks from fire, and to hire additional Diplomatic Security Personnel and Marine Security Guards.

Second, even as I took these steps, I quickly moved to appoint the Accountability Review Board because I wanted them to come forward with their report before I left, because I felt the responsibility and I wanted to be sure that I was putting in motion the response to whatever they found; what was wrong, how do we fix it.

I have accepted every one of their recommendations. Our Deputy Secretary for Management and Resources, Deputy Tom Nides, who appeared before this committee last month, is leading a task force to ensure all 29 are implemented quickly and completely, as well as pursuing additional steps above and beyond the board.

I pledged in my letter to you last month that implementation has now begun on all 29 recommendations. We’ve translated them into 64 specific action items. They were all assigned to specific bureaus and offices with clear timelines for completion.

Fully 85 percent are on track to be completed by the end of March, with a number completed already. But we are also taking a top-to-bottom look to rethink how we make decisions on where, when and whether our people should operate in high-threat areas, and how we respond.

We are initiating an annual High Threat Post Review chaired for the first time in American history, I suppose, by the Secretary of State, and ongoing reviews by the Deputy Secretaries, to ensure that pivotal questions about security reach the highest level. And we will regularize protocols for sharing information with Congress.
Hillary Clinton has been the best Secretary of State in my lifetime, during one of the more difficult times in history, and she has done much to repair the damages done to international relations by the previous administration.

I know that I am not alone in hoping that Hillary Clinton will become the first female US President in 2016.



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She didn't enjoy being held to account there.
Lol! Rand Paul is such an asshole. As if he could ever be president. He has 0 credibility next to Hillary Clinton or just about anyone else in that matter.


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but it was obvious that Rand is grandstanding a bit there.
yeah, just a little...

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Also...
Someone is posing for a future prez run I thinks
Joe Biden vs. Rand Paul 2016
I would love to see that debate. Biden would wipe the floor with that little weasel.
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Having traveled through a tea party state there is no way in hell I would vote for anyone that vaguely resembled a TP supporter
That's funny because anyone with common sense (and money) is fleeing CA for a red state and lower taxes.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:00 PM   #54
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Yeah. What does a Nobel Prize winning economist know? You couldn't possibly read something thought provoking in any of his articles.

Hrumph. Krugman and his fancy book-learnin'.

They gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize and he's bombing several countries and assassinating innocents with drone strikes.

It means nothing.
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Lol! Rand Paul is such an asshole. As if he could ever be president. He has 0 credibility next to Hillary Clinton or just about anyone else in that matter.




yeah, just a little...



I would love to see that debate. Biden would wipe the floor with that little weasel.
Why is he an asshole? Rand is an eye doctor from Kentucky who's been in the U.S Senate for 2 years and is kicking serious ass. For once someone is holding corrupt politicians to account and they absolutely hate it.
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And here is what he ACTUALLY said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1571789.html

He wasn't arguing that women shouldn't be paid the same as men. He was arguing AGAINST allowing judges to decide wages paid instead of performance. I saw that picture you posted and decided to google it up for myself. As usual, these political pictures are full of lies on the part of the people who create them to fit their agenda.
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Clinton is a piece of work. She knows damn well what went down. She knows full well those people were there tracking weapons we sold to the "rebels" aka Al Qaeda. And she knows full well the reason for the attack was because they got pissed because of that. Once again our two-faced policies bit us in the ass. She's a piece of shit liar and a bad actor pounding her hands on the table claiming it doesn't matter now and we just need to figure out why. "Some guys walking down the street decided they were going to kill them" my ass.. That bitch makes me sick.. I hope she dies a slow painful death.. Too bad she didn't weeks ago. She probably knew the ambassador personally, allowed him to be killed with no remorse whatsoever. In her mind it was "doing his country a service." She should see the same fate. Yesterday wouldn't be soon enough.
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Great find and good job posting. We need to hold those in power accountable. Hillary Clinton got an earful there.
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Lol! Rand Paul is such an asshole. As if he could ever be president. He has 0 credibility next to Hillary Clinton or just about anyone else in that matter.

Why? Because she's "been around longer?" How does Obama have credibility as a president then if he was only senator for a couple years?

This is the same reason idiots keep on reelecting the same fucking senators who have been in office for decades. Some idiot in California gets their ballot and sees Diane Feinstein's name on there compared to a bunch of no-names and figures "Oh, Feinstein, I know that name... she's been there for years, she must be doing a good job.. I'll vote for her." lol
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I would love to see that debate. Biden would wipe the floor with that little weasel.
I don't think Biden would wipe the floor with anyone. Isn't it pretty much common knowledge that he's an idiot and gaffes everywhere he goes?
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Biden is probably more clueless than Bush was. At least Bush's dad was President and head of CIA and his grandfather was bankroller of Hitler.. Not to give that little fuckin weasel any credit. Biden.. A nobody. SO less than a weasel. Obama would be somewhere below less than a weasel. It seems we keep electing the lowest of the low. The biggest piece of shit you are the highest the rank.
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GOP the party of NO. Only way they will win next time is if they redraw districts and cheat. Oh wait....
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GOP the party of NO. Only way they will win next time is if they redraw districts and cheat. Oh wait....

The US is not a democracy, it's a Republic. State houses can give their college votes to however they want and also draw House boundaries
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Total douche move by Paul. Mentioning this event and 9/11 in the same sentence? Cracka please

There were eleven diplomatic attacks in the Bush years, a number of which included US fatalities. Where was the right-wing outrage at the Administration then? Wait, there wasn't any. From either side. Why? Because grownups know you can't prevent every attack. In other words, sometimes shit just happens.

But somehow, this was 'the worst security breach since 9/11'? Yeah okay, i guess those 11 'security breaches' under Bush don't count. I mean the willful amnesia and utter hypocrisy is just...wow.

Listen, grandstanding is a staple of political life, but this was fucking pathetic.
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Rand Paul thinks that civil rights were good for government based jobs ONLY and he would abolish them in the private sector. When asked what if a diner puts up a sign the next day saying "No Blacks Allowed" he answered that he would hope that the most important color to the business owner would be green and that they wouldn't do that because it would hurt their bottom line.

So yeah.. I take him VERY seriously.. as a threat. To intelligent discussion.
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Why is he an asshole? Rand is an eye doctor from Kentucky who's been in the U.S Senate for 2 years and is kicking serious ass. For once someone is holding corrupt politicians to account and they absolutely hate it.

He's against the Americans with Disabilities Act
He thinks Restaurants should be allowed to refuse service to black people
He thought Obama was un American for hitting BP for the oil spill.

but mostly he was out of line with his comment to Hillary Clinton. He didn't even come close to being nominated by the republicans to run for President, but he used the hearing with Clinton to say "If I were president I would have fired you", clearly to be quoted and used later when he tries to run for president again in 2016. It was pointless, weak grandstanding in my view.
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That's funny because anyone with common sense (and money) is fleeing CA for a red state and lower taxes.
Any stats or links to back this up?
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"he would hope that the most important color to the business owner would be green and that they wouldn't do that because it would hurt their bottom line."

How is that considered "restaurants should be allowed to refuse service to black people?"

I would hope that the most important color is green to for any business restaurant or not.

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He didn't even come close to being nominated by the republicans to run for President,

He didn't run for President. His dad did.
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He didn't run for President. His dad did.
True, but Rand was certainly auditioning for 2016, like a half dozen 'leading lights' of the party (including Rand Paul) did at the convention.

I watched most of the republican convention, and one of the key things i noticed was how fractured the party seemed. The support for Romney was tepid at best.

Like i said, there were like a half dozen leading lights of the party in prime-time speaking slots. I watched every single one basically say "here's why i'm so great, here's my vision, talk talk talk. oh and by the way, vote for mitt romney. thank you, good night"
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He didn't run for President. His dad did.
In terms of his dad, he and his delegates were fully fucked over by GOP leadership in terms of Any Real Presence at the convention.
IMO, it's because he's a totally honest man who'd do things like go after the big banks for the massive fraud they perpetrated, which caused the financial crisis.

But anyhow, here's Ron's own words on that:

Mr. Paul, in an interview, said convention planners had offered him an opportunity to speak under two conditions: that he deliver remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a full-fledged endorsement of Mr. Romney. He declined.
“It wouldn’t be my speech,” Mr. Paul said. “That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.”
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You know Rand Paul is pandering to the idiots of the nation when he calls Benghazi the biggest tragedy since 9/11.
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You know Rand Paul is pandering to the idiots of the nation when he calls Benghazi the biggest tragedy since 9/11.
that's what i been saying. the apple definitely fell far far far from the tree with this guy
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It's the coverup guys. THAT is the outrage.

Remember Pres. Nixon left office to avoid impeachment for trying to cover up a botched burglary that he didn't even know about at the time.

It's always the stupid coverups that undo people.

Since it was in the homestretch of the election, the Obama team decided to cover it up with the stupid "video" story.

If there's one thing I have learned it is to just go ahead and admit when you fuck up and move on. Covering it up always comes back to bite you in the ass.
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If you used msnbc as your example, i would have agreed 100%
True, that at night, the MSNBC hosts have a decidedly liberal bent. So in that sense, I understand the comparison. But they don't lie and obfuscate like the FAUX people. They wouldn't get away with it. Theirs is an educated demographic.
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the Obama team decided to cover it up with the stupid "video" story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Be..._the_Consulate
The area outside the compound before the assault was quiet; one Libyan guard who was wounded in the attack was quoted as saying ?there wasn?t a single ant outside.?[25] There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film."
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True, that at night, the MSNBC hosts have a decidedly liberal bent. So in that sense, I understand the comparison. But they don't lie and obfuscate like the FAUX people. They wouldn't get away with it. Theirs is an educated demographic.
2 things

1) msnbc has a liberal bent 24/7
As i've said a zillion times, see sig

2) in terms of your comparison w/Faux
As i've said a zillion times, see sig and then continue

As someone who believes both the Dem & Rep parties are utterly worthless and corrupt to their cores,,,,,

At this point in time, the dem talking heads etc have the luxury of being able to deal in facts far more than the reps.

That said, 98% (or more) of elected officials - regardless of party - are nothing more than whores to their big money paymasters.
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that's what i been saying. the apple definitely fell far far far from the tree with this guy
Yea, he endorsed Romney and has already been to Israel to kiss their wall and all that shit...
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It's the coverup guys. THAT is the outrage.

Remember Pres. Nixon left office to avoid impeachment for trying to cover up a botched burglary that he didn't even know about at the time.

It's always the stupid coverups that undo people.

Since it was in the homestretch of the election, the Obama team decided to cover it up with the stupid "video" story.

If there's one thing I have learned it is to just go ahead and admit when you fuck up and move on. Covering it up always comes back to bite you in the ass.
They also have been covering up Fast and Furious this whole time, a blatant false flag operation...
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Hilary has four years to prepare for her presidency. And you can believe she plans on doing even less to protect Americans when she "wins" that election....
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1. There was no consulate in Benghazi, it was a CIA base.

2. DTK is 100% right, there were 11 attacks under Bush and nobody cared that much.

3. Robbie is right about the cover up but this isn't even that bad compared to the attack in Jeddah that is still blamed on Al Queda when there are numerous reports it was done by groups linked to an influential Saudi Prince.

4. Rand Paul has no credibility at all, he claims to be a libertarian but sold out his dad, his "beliefs", and most of his supporters by backing Romney. He has no shot at being president because his "personal freedoms" message is in direct conflict with the Christian base of the republican party

Imagine if the US government had spent as much time on investigating the 9/11 attacks, but there were no political points to score off doing that.

They should be grilling Clinton about covering up the drone network and the civillian casulties caused from "targeted" bombings.
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I am not a fan of Hillary. I am really surprised to see her do well at all because I always thought so low of her, and at the same time I am really surprised to see a woman handle that position with all of the traveling in the Middle East.

With that said, in hindsight, it's very easy to say "they would attack that embassy" and "we should have done more". Right now we can say the same thing about hundreds of embassy compounds (keep in mind in most countries the US has multiple locations, main embassies plus off site housing). Some of these buildings are nothing more then residences in the suburbs - very difficult to protect. We can protect them all, but at what cost? Are you really going to drop $20 million on an estate in Librya and then spend another $100 million to protect it, with costs of $20 million a year to protect it?

This was a terrorist attack, plain and simple. A dozen armed men with small arms and a few rocket launchers can do a lot of damage in a hit and run.
you just had a war in the country.. not a year before, but months.. days..

she wasn't being grilled about preparation, she was being grilled about how the story was 'there was a huge protest, and the embassy got attacked'

there was no protest, the embassy was 'randomly' attacked by 'a large group of heavily armed' individuals, and during the 7 hour firefight at the capital of a nation those people just worked to create, they requested military assistance 3 times. All of which were denied.

Furthermore, this marks the first terrorist attack on september 11th, since september 11th, 2001. which is really just a little too rich.
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It's so obvious this is a Republican witch hunt. They're transparent.

Rand Paul is fucking nutcase and Hillary Clinton is one of the most well respected politicians in the last few decades. Do the math.
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Hilary has four years to prepare for her presidency. And you can believe she plans on doing even less to protect Americans when she "wins" that election....
She's done. She won't run and I'm grateful for that.
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It's so obvious this is a Republican witch hunt. They're transparent.

Rand Paul is fucking nutcase and Hillary Clinton is one of the most well respected politicians in the last few decades. Do the math.
Million to one this idiot confused Ron and Rand. Goes to show how some people who talk politics around here have no fucking clue what or who they are talking about.
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Million to one this idiot confused Ron and Rand. Goes to show how some people who talk politics around here have no fucking clue what or who they are talking about.
I know he's Ron Paul's son....and he's been guilty of saying some looney shit in the past few years, and has done nothing except expose what a giant prick he is.

If you're a fan of Rand Paul, then it speaks to your own values.
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I know he's Ron Paul's son....and he's been guilty of saying some looney shit in the past few years, and has done nothing except expose what a giant prick he is.
Looney as in? Do tell.
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Any stats or links to back this up?
I just happened to catch a report on the local news here in California that said the same thing - people are "leaving California" in droves because of the high taxes. I find this hard to believe; Anyone who makes any kind of decent money knows it's going to be a lot easier to hire an account and pay less taxes than it is to move.
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I just happened to catch a report on the local news here in California that said the same thing - people are "leaving California" in droves because of the high taxes. I find this hard to believe; Anyone who makes any kind of decent money knows it's going to be a lot easier to hire an account and pay less taxes than it is to move.
We have Californian's moving here in droves. All say the same thing the cost of living and taxes.
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It's so obvious this is a Republican witch hunt. They're transparent.

Rand Paul is fucking nutcase and Hillary Clinton is one of the most well respected politicians in the last few decades. Do the math.
I also think this is a witch hunt. This was a terrorist attack at one of dozens of Embassies has in hostile countries. We knew it was a target, but short of turning into a military facility with platoons of US Marines what exactly are we supposed to do?
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I mean, fucking seriously....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

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Between 125 and 150 gunmen, "some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants," are reported to have participated in the assault. Some had their faces covered and wore flak jackets.Weapons they used during the attack included rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, AK-47 and FN F2000 NATO assault rifles, diesel canisters, mortars, and heavy machine guns and artillery mounted on gun trucks.
This wasn't four guys with handguns. This was over 100 men with heavy machine guns mounted on trucks. Outside of Iraq and Afghanistan, can you name a US embassy that can stand up to this kind of an attack?

This is a fucking witch hunt, nothing more, nothing less.
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I mean, fucking seriously....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack



This wasn't four guys with handguns. This was over 100 men with heavy machine guns mounted on trucks. Outside of Iraq and Afghanistan, can you name a US embassy that can stand up to this kind of an attack?

This is a fucking witch hunt, nothing more, nothing less.
They are covering up what actually happened. Why is it so hard to understand that these politicians need to be held accountable for their actions? Why is it a which hunt to try and hold them accountable?

Why do you think 100-150 militants attacked this small little embassy? Especially militants we armed? That's the real problem here. They are covering up the fact that we armed these militants and they were pissed at this particular base of operations actions of meddling in their affairs. IE. one of the dead soldiers stated publicly he was there tracking the weapons we armed them with.


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I also think this is a witch hunt. This was a terrorist attack at one of dozens of Embassies has in hostile countries. We knew it was a target, but short of turning into a military facility with platoons of US Marines what exactly are we supposed to do?
See above.. It wasn't a terrorist attack. It was blowback.
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I just happened to catch a report on the local news here in California that said the same thing - people are "leaving California" in droves because of the high taxes. I find this hard to believe; Anyone who makes any kind of decent money knows it's going to be a lot easier to hire an account and pay less taxes than it is to move.
I guess the real question (in terms of stats) is: how many people = a 'drove'. lol

I saw an article that said (in 2011) 100,000 more people moved out of CA than moved in. In a state with 37,000,000 people, does that count as a drove? Droves?

The tax thing is a red herring. It's cost of living. The 3 states seeing the greatest number of CA transplants (TX, AZ, NV) all have dramatically lower costs of living. Check this out: http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/ example: Cost of living in Houston is nearly half that of San Francisco.

That's because of taxes? Yeah right. Try housing cost, for starts.
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did anyone take the time to listen to her responses? she slammed all of them. The State Dept's requests for allocation more funding for security at embassy's was granted by the senate but has been consistently help up by the house.

Leave it to Comedy Central to show the biased OP's little charade.
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did anyone take the time to listen to her responses? she slammed all of them. The State Dept's requests for allocation more funding for security at embassy's was granted by the senate but has been consistently help up by the house.

Leave it to Comedy Central to show the biased OP's little charade.


Not to mention the hypocritical Rand Paul wanted to cut the State Dept funding by 71%.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...ghazi-hearing/
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I listened to the Benghazi embassy attack investigation hearings for a few hours today, and Hillary appeared to be handling herself quite well. I guess the OP didn't want anyone to hear Clinton's response.
Right. Because she spanked them like the whiney little bitches they are. Hillary doesn't suffer fools. She's a very tough broad who for two decades has taken everything the GOP (AND other Dems) have thrown at her.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/...-her-cool.html
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