School shooting averted by armed guard.... But that would never work, would it? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

MK Ultra · 02-01-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Do people really believe the US government is a malevolent force that threatens them...and guns will keep them safe from it? WTF?

And do you really believe that government is a wise and benevolent organization made up of caring and altruistic men and women who truly only have the best interest of the citizens at heart?

puff-puff-pass...

Although I disagree with a lot that Rochard has to say he seems to be the only one who got it right: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19437846&postcount=12

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Ironically, I believe this was their intention. They wanted it's citizens armed for a number of reasons. I doubt they honestly wanted the population to over throw it's government but instead wanted to concept of open rebellion and revolt to be in the back of everyone's mind to ensure to ensure the government didn't get too far out of control.

Remember that the men who wrote the Constitution and The Bill of Rights had just overthrown a repressive and tyrannical government and beaten the best trained and equipped military in the world using an armed citizenry, and were maybe just a little bit paranoid on the subject of Government Power.
But then, they had good reason to be.

Another thing, I keep seeing the argument that "an AR15 would be useless against missiles and tanks" and I agree with that statement, as far as it goes.
But keep in mind the fact that any government that uses missiles and tanks against it's own citizens has already lost it's legitimacy and will inevitably fall, just look at Syria, it's been over for Assad for a long time now he just refuses to accept the inevitable and is going to continue the bloodbath until he is dead.

Sad

The American System was crafted to be an endless series of checks and balances, the Second Amendment included, I feel the Founders got it mostly right with the exceptions of term-limits and not banning political parties right off the bat, but hey overall they did a pretty good job.

Remove any one of those checks and balances at the peril of us all.

Now I managed to say my piece without once calling somebody a "sicko gun nut" or an "anti gun pussy" until the very end.

What's everyone else's excuse?

NaughtyVisions · 02-01-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Now I managed to say my piece without once calling somebody a "sicko gun nut" or an "anti gun pussy" until the very end.

What's everyone else's excuse?

Self-righteous assholes.

arock10 · 02-01-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Exactly..

We setup sub Stations in an Office / Room for the Beat officers to hang out, do paper work and so on. This is a place where the Officers can go inside the schools, and keep the presence of police on school grounds without having to pay them.

The schools also have security guards, not armed, since we have police on school grounds at all times. The school also from time to time, depending on the event and or what other school the sporting event might be, hire off duty police to help with security.

So again, this is already going on. The NRA's best idea has already been acted on and it was many many years ago. Time to move onto some new ideas, this one is old...

Rochard · 02-01-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Of course if the armed guard had not been there, and the shooter had killed a whole bunch of kids, it would be a very big story....

I think we might be giving the armed guard too much credit here.

This might be a matter of it being too early to get accurate information from news sources, but I read an article today that indicated the armed security guard disarmed and took the shooter into custody "minutes" after the shooting.

The shooter was disarmed and taken into custody minutes after the incident by an off-duty Atlanta police officer, Turner said. He said the off-duty police officer, who was armed, works at Price Middle School as a so-called resource officer, providing security.

From this report it seems the shooting was done and over with by the time the armed guard was able to figure out what happened, locate the suspect, and take him into custody. (source)

I think we watch a lot of TV and we just assume this armed guard came sailing into the situation with bullets still flying and did some magic panda kung fu shit and knocked the handgun out of his arm. I think what really happened is the shooter fired his shots, and then fled and hid.

But still kudos to the cop because he most likely has more balls than most of us - approaching an armed gunman after a shootout.

Also, what I found really interesting... Is that this school has metal detectors in place. While it seems the shooting took place outside, clearly the metal detectors didn't prevent anything.

CyberHustler · 02-01-2013, 04:24 PM

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And still, with all the guns we have, the vast majority of Americans will never experience a schoool shooting.

_Richard_ · 02-01-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why not? my kid went to school where the black kids were armed...

isn't everyone armed in Montana?

GrantMercury · 02-01-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

And do you really believe that government is a wise and benevolent organization made up of caring and altruistic men and women who truly only have the best interest of the citizens at heart?

Nope. I think the government is us. We The People. If D.C. is overrun with scumbags and lobbyists, it's because we haven't paid attention. Most people can't be bothered.

And why anyone thinks the government is going to kill them someday, or throw them in a concentration camp or some such shit is beyond me - my guess is too much fringe media. The idea that in that fantasy scenario a gun is going to protect them from the world's largest military is as ridiculous as it gets.

1. The government isn't coming for us.
2. If they do, an AK-47s won't stop them.
3. See #1

Rochard · 02-01-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Nope. I think the government is us. We The People. If D.C. is overrun with scumbags and lobbyists, it's because we haven't paid attention. Most people can't be bothered.

And why anyone thinks the government is going to kill them someday, or throw them in a concentration camp or some such shit is beyond me - my guess is too much fringe media. The idea that in that fantasy scenario a gun is going to protect them from the world's largest military is as ridiculous as it gets.

1. The government isn't coming for us.
2. If they do, an AK-47s won't stop them.
3. See #1

Wow. I couldn't agree more.

The government is made up of us. The people.

One of the things that kill me is the people that hate police officers. Someday these people will put on their big boy pants and discover that four of their friends are police officers, and that they care less about their fucking pot stash and are just trying to make it through the day. I used to fear the cops when I was younger - I got pulled over constantly. At some point you grow up and suddenly it hits you like a rock... You were getting pulled over because you were driving like a fucking douchebag.

purecane · 02-01-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If a shooter is taking out innocent people for no reason, then yes, the shooter is insane. Even if there is a reason behind it - jealousy, rage - it's fucking insane to kill another person even if you are mad at them for banging your wife or some perceived slight.

Military is a bit different. The case you mentioned is extreme, but in most cases military forces close with and fight the enemy - it's something they are trained to do, and there is a proper reason for it. But then afterwards the mental issues crop up....

so its ok to kill for oil, or religion or race,,, but dont kill out of jealousy or rage???? military doesnt make killing any less brutal buddy.

purecane · 02-01-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If a shooter is taking out innocent people for no reason, then yes, the shooter is insane. Even if there is a reason behind it - jealousy, rage - it's fucking insane to kill another person even if you are mad at them for banging your wife or some perceived slight.

Military is a bit different. The case you mentioned is extreme, but in most cases military forces close with and fight the enemy - it's something they are trained to do, and there is a proper reason for it. But then afterwards the mental issues crop up....

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Wow. I couldn't agree more.

The government is made up of us. The people.

One of the things that kill me is the people that hate police officers. Someday these people will put on their big boy pants and discover that four of their friends are police officers, and that they care less about their fucking pot stash and are just trying to make it through the day. I used to fear the cops when I was younger - I got pulled over constantly. At some point you grow up and suddenly it hits you like a rock... You were getting pulled over because you were driving like a fucking douchebag.

sorry rochard....the government hasnt been "we the people" since lincoln...cops are douche bag revenue collectors for the state...

Barry-xlovecam · 02-01-2013, 11:25 PM

It sounds to me like this was a case of two students settling some beef, one student with a "small handgun'' media accounts say, and is gang-related violence -- a poor event to make the case for the prevention of a mass-killing.

Has this been a case of a flack jacketed psycho with multiple weapons and some revenge motive; the outcome may or may not been affected by one armed guard.

I think there is a parallel to the "liberation movement suicide bomber" and the "psycho school house shooter" -- they are both intent on delivering a statement with the mass deaths of their "oppressors" even at the cost of their own life -- true desperadoes.

We seem to be heading for a version of TSA for our schools in the end ...

epitome · 02-02-2013, 12:38 AM

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sorry rochard....the government hasnt been "we the people" since lincoln...cops are douche bag revenue collectors for the state...

If you don't think DC is reflective of our overall society then you need to open your eyes more.

Politicians are crooked because half of America is crooked. Our society is about me me me so why wouldn't Washington be the same way?

I've never had an issue with cops because I am on the up and up. If you have a different experience then it's you that is the problem.

Dirty F · 02-02-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

If you don't think DC is reflective of our overall society then you need to open your eyes more.

Politicians are crooked because half of America is crooked. Our society is about me me me so why wouldn't Washington be the same way?

I've never had an issue with cops because I am on the up and up. If you have a different experience then it's you that is the problem.

It's always the same people who have problems with cops.
And it's ofcourse never their fault.

Funny how i don't have that problem.

crockett · 02-02-2013, 05:26 AM

Ok I'll bite.. So the whole idea of having "armed" guards at schools is to "PREVENT" a shooting from happening.

Welp the "armed guard didn't do that because the kid still shot his intended target. I mean fuck even at Columbine if I'm not mistaken there were two armed guards or two off duty cops that were there at the start and still a shit load of kids got shot.

When the fuck do you gun nuts finally realize adding more guns solves nothing?

02-01-2013, 11:25 PM	#61
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	It sounds to me like this was a case of two students settling some beef, one student with a "small handgun'' media accounts say, and is gang-related violence -- a poor event to make the case for the prevention of a mass-killing. Has this been a case of a flack jacketed psycho with multiple weapons and some revenge motive; the outcome may or may not been affected by one armed guard. I think there is a parallel to the "liberation movement suicide bomber" and the "psycho school house shooter" -- they are both intent on delivering a statement with the mass deaths of their "oppressors" even at the cost of their own life -- true desperadoes. We seem to be heading for a version of TSA for our schools in the end ...

02-02-2013, 05:26 AM	#64
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Ok I'll bite.. So the whole idea of having "armed" guards at schools is to "PREVENT" a shooting from happening. Welp the "armed guard didn't do that because the kid still shot his intended target. I mean fuck even at Columbine if I'm not mistaken there were two armed guards or two off duty cops that were there at the start and still a shit load of kids got shot. When the fuck do you gun nuts finally realize adding more guns solves nothing?