Originally Posted by crockett

Perhaps it's was a good thing he burned his own truck so the cops would stop shooting at random blue trucks..

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Is he killed already?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

So when someone talks about not allowing the sale of a 30 round ammo clip you're going to say that if a criminal wants one he can get one anyway?

LET the criminal go and find himself a 30 round ammo clip once it's illegal to sell them. LET the criminal go find some assault weapons once it's illegal to sell them. STARVE the beast and the beast eventually DIES. There is not one single person out there laboring under the false belief that a stroke of a pen today will solve all deaths by gun tomorrow. There will be no instant gratification and everybody knows that.


The whole thing about "it didn't work last time" is so ridiculous that it's not worth mentioning beyond stating that because such a statement is unprovable! It's a complete hunk of red meat for people to argue about and waste time on.

By the way, why do you think a ban on large clips and assault weapons is to keep them out of the hands of known criminals? Last I heard, it was to keep them out of the hands of responsible citizens who then go batshit crazy and shoot up schools and movie theaters! What's your idea of a reasonable regulation regarding keeping those things out of the hands of those people who are indistinguishable from your or me or the next guy?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

By the way, why do you think a ban on large clips and assault weapons is to keep them out of the hands of known criminals? Last I heard, it was to keep them out of the hands of responsible citizens who then go batshit crazy and shoot up schools and movie theaters! What's your idea of a reasonable regulation regarding keeping those things out of the hands of those people who are indistinguishable from your or me or the next guy?

Originally Posted by dev777

cops shoot up the wrong people in 2 separate incidents this morning, for no reason other than that they were driving pickup trucks.

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_s...for_dorner.php

can't wait to see the LAPD brush this one under the rug!

Originally Posted by GregE

If his intent is to make the LAPD look bad, he's doing a damn good job of it.

Originally Posted by Some Guy

He's still on the loose from what I gather.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm all for sensible regulation, I just haven't heard of any yet.

Making it harder for criminals to get guns by placing regulations on legal ownership is not going to work. prohibition didn't work last time is was tried and our highest crime rates are in the cities with the highest regulations

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Is he killed already?

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you "pro gun" people always try to lump "all" so called "anti gun" people in to one group which is at the very extreme end of the argument.
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Originally Posted by crockett

Prohibition was a different animal, same as drugs because anyone with a bit of knowledge can make their own alcohol & or drugs. It doesn't require out of the ordinary machinery and a large set of special skill sets. Most of the stuff needed can be built & prepared by a average person with a bit of knowledge.

Meanwhile there are very few people that would be capable of building their own guns and out of those that could they certainly wouldn't be able to replicate the working quality of an average gunsmith or produce any significant numbers.

It's apples & oranges.. It would be left to smugglers and to be honest it would be a hard job for them to get any sizable amount of illegal guns into this country on a regular basis. We are't some 3rd world country in Africa where you can just drive a truck or plane in with ease across the boarder.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

if one can make drugs or booze, one can make weapons

Originally Posted by _Richard_

do you know anything about manufacturing.. anything?

if one can make drugs or booze, one can make weapons

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

I made an AK from parts off the internet. It was ugly as heck, but it worked.
Used an 80% receiver flat.

I just had to bend the flat with a homemade jig. Would have been alot easier with a 20 ton press. Then attached to the front and rear trunnion with screws, rivets would have been prettier.

I would say an AK receiver is the easiest to make.

Maybe a Sten would be easier. The receiver tube is just a tube. But if you get caught with a homemade open bolt Sten, you go to prison. Making it closed bolt semi-auto looks like a bitch.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

that is some bad ass shit lol

so an 80% receiver flat requires to be 'bent', while a 100% receiver flat is 'already bent'?

damn i can build this lol

Originally Posted by crockett

Not so far he's still on the lose. After reading much of his manifesto I'm pretty sure this guy is going to be hard for them to catch. He is obviously a bit off in the mental dept but not like a crazed idiot. He seems more like someone that has been pushed over the edge of what he could handle, being he in the right or wrong it's not like he's just a regular wacko.

He seems to have a lot of determination and ability to go with it. He doesn't seem like the type that will make a dumb mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if this guy completely drops of radar for a few weeks or so before he hits again.

This guy doesn't seem like he will be the crazed gunman running around the streets til he gets taken out or caught. Seems he has a pretty good clue as to what he needs to do in order to do what he wants.

Originally Posted by crockett

There is a guy on one of the gun forums that built a AK lower receiver out of a shovel. He still had to buy certain parts and also used some manufactured parts.

http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2012...of-shovel.html

The point being is yes if guns were un-attainable legally then there would always be a limited amount of people whom could home build them. However they could in no means mass-manufacturer them.

Nothing on the scale of illegal drugs or booze during prohibition.

Now on the other hand with advances in 3D printing in the future then it might be much easier and require a very low skill level. One group has already built a AR-15 lower receiver from a home 3d printer but it broke after test firing (however it did work for a short time)

The same group did make a 30 round high cap mag for a AR-15 that did work just fine.

Originally Posted by Rochard

While I won't disagree this guy is insane.... Isn't it possible that his truck on fire was throw everyone off his trail? I mean, he has a truck, maybe he had a motorcycle in the back.... Put the motorcycle down on the pavement, move the truck into the snow... Light it on fire and then haul ass down to San Diego on the motorcycle. No one would see him because he has a helmet on, and by the time they figure out it was in fact his truck he would be long gone.....

Just saying....

Originally Posted by Rochard

That is seriously fucked up. Police are so scared right now that anyone driving a similar truck is now a suspect. These two chicks had no idea they were in any danger, no less about to be shot by police for doing nothing wrong.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

no way dude the mountain scene should be coming up. youve seen rambo??

Christopher Dorner manhunt: Mountain search for ex-LAPD cop accused of killing 3

Originally Posted by DWB

Police are so on edge they shoot at random blue trucks. Nice. Just imagine the accidents that are going to happen in the near future over the legal assassination of American citizens when they think they have a homegrown terrorist in their drone cross hairs, but it's really just some dude on his way home from the gym in the wrong colored car. Good times.

Originally Posted by DWB

Police are so on edge they shoot at random blue trucks. Nice. Just imagine the accidents that are going to happen in the near future over the legal assassination of American citizens when they think they have a homegrown terrorist in their drone cross hairs, but it's really just some dude on his way home from the gym in the wrong colored car. Good times.

Originally Posted by Rochard

His fucking manifesto is so long I can't post it here....

Christopher Dorner’s Manifesto (Uncensored)
Published February 7, 2013 LAPD , Los Angeles 1 Comment
Tags: Christopher Dorner, Keith Lawrence, lapd, Los Angeles Police Department, Monica Quan
Dorner vs. LAPD

“Feb 4, 2013 9:14:04 AM Last Resort

From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be villified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.

The question is, what would you do to clear your name?


Name;
A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.

Name Synonyms;
reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.

A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It’s your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you’ve worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don’t let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”. Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. Phil Tingirides, Capt. Justin Eisenberg, and City Attorney Martella had a signigicant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. Phil Tingirides was a personal friend of Teresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. Anderson. Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans and it was denied.

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/l...klahoma-church

Originally Posted by crockett

Yea, I read most of his manifesto and it seems like he was perhaps a guy that was a bit too much of a boy scout. He was very ambient about doing and acting in a way in which he felt was right and staying true to his moral compass as he put it.

He seemed seemed to have more of a stance that his name is what backs his honor and felt his name was disgraced by the LAPD, because they covered up corruption and put him out cold. Claims because of LAPD's decision to say he falsely submitted a police report that he lost his security clearance with the Navy and some other stuff.

He also seems to have a victim mentality as in, when bad things happen to him it gives him justification to do bad things back. (ie somehow he expects 2 wrongs to make a right)

I think it should be interesting to see what becomes of this outside of him eventually being captured/killed but if there is any internal turmoil in the LAPD. He seemed very addiment about him not lying and that the good ole buy network in sie the LAPD covered up a lying/dirty cop.

He claims several times in his letter that video evidence shows that the victim whom he says the other cop kicked in the face, also stated that the cop kicked him. Meaning the evidence shows he wasn't lying. Will be interesting to see what becomes of that because you know damn well the press is going to dig into that as he told them they should.

Regardless it doesn't give him justification to go around shooting people, but seems with his past experiences he was likely a bit too extreme in certain areas related to race and perhaps the corruption he saw in the LAPD and the wrongs he felt were done to him pushed him over the edge.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

fucking pussy cops shooting 2 women in a truck...thats 1st degree murder they should get life...fuck any soldier or cop who kills somebody out of fear...

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i thought it was clear this was cause he ratted out another cop?

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Dorner ratted out his female training officer because she kicked some guy in the face, while he was handcufffed. The LAPD didn't believe Dorner, accused him of making a false report, and then fired him.

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Cops are supposed to protect citizens, not kick them in the face when they're handcuffed. I'm not saying what Dorner's currently doing is right, but I don't think it's fair to call him a rat for reporting that once incident.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

not so sure.. found a few forums when i tried to figure out what the hell a '80% receiver' was, and not only did they seem rather informed about it all, there was alternate solutions

Originally Posted by crockett

Prohibition was a different animal, same as drugs because anyone with a bit of knowledge can make their own alcohol & or drugs. It doesn't require out of the ordinary machinery and a large set of special skill sets. Most of the stuff needed can be built & prepared by a average person with a bit of knowledge.

Meanwhile there are very few people that would be capable of building their own guns and out of those that could they certainly wouldn't be able to replicate the working quality of an average gunsmith or produce any significant numbers.

It's apples & oranges.. It would be left to smugglers and to be honest it would be a hard job for them to get any sizable amount of illegal guns into this country on a regular basis. We are't some 3rd world country in Africa where you can just drive a truck or plane in with ease across the boarder.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Kids can make a gun, Hell I made a cannon in metal shop in high school. I got an A for it.

Not about how, if someone wants it, it will get here some how

Originally Posted by crockett

Yea, I read most of his manifesto and it seems like he was perhaps a guy that was a bit too much of a boy scout. He was very ambient about doing and acting in a way in which he felt was right and staying true to his moral compass as he put it.

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Cops are supposed to protect citizens, not kick them in the face when they're handcuffed. I'm not saying what Dorner's currently doing is right, but I don't think it's fair to call him a rat for reporting that once incident.

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't believe it's fair to call him a rat either. In this case, you would have to at the circumstance - was the suspect handcuffed and subdued when a cop ran up to him and kicked him, or was the suspect resisting arrest and needed to be subdued further after handcuffs were on him.

Either way the case was dismissed. Maybe he did see something that was wrong, and he tried to do the right thing.... But at some point in time you need to let it go. As a police office, you have to have a thick skin - and all police officers know that the good guys do not always win.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

fucking pussy cops shooting 2 women in a truck...thats 1st degree murder they should get life...fuck any soldier or cop who kills somebody out of fear...

Originally Posted by vvvvv

For every 7 to 9 cops out there trying to do the right thing there are 1 to 3 that just could not give a flying fuck.

Originally Posted by vvvvv

Most cops are dirtier than fuck.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your own numbers don't support your conclusion.

Your numbers indicate a MAJORITY of cops are trying to do the right thing.

I also work with cops on a daily basis in my line of work. I've met good/I've met bad - just like any other line of work. But ratios of bad-to-good would be purely anecdotal and plucked outta my ass. All police forces are different - not cut from the same cloth.

Optics and perception aren't accurate assessments of reality.