It seems to me that affiliate paysite sales are DEAD

[signupdamnit]

Tell me I'm wrong. Everywhere I look I see messages from trusted people claiming 1:4,000 ratios or worse. Some claim 1:10,000. I see blackhats saying the same thing in their messages and the funny thing is even they blame the tubes. Go type "adult is dead" in the search box for some of the blackhat forums and you'll see what I mean. All they do now is tumbler blogs with plugrush. They avoid paysite affiliate programs like the plague.

For my own stuff I have paysite affiliate programs which used to convert 1:1500 in early 2012 now converting at 1:9000. At first I thought it was shaving but it's so many of them now that I doubt it. I'm amazed at how quickly some things went bad.

It occurs to me that beyond about 1:2000 on revshare I'm typically better off going CPC at 1 cent a click versus sending clicks to some paysite which is doing 1:6000. Rebills are pretty crappy for most stuff today even when you do get the sales.

Affiliates who do paysites (and only affiliates) am I right or wrong here? Like I said feel free to tell me I am wrong.

[Fat Panda]

yes porn is dead...ratios are dropping everyday

[itto]

I get around 1:300 or less because of heavy pre-selling but in the end that's illusory because said preselling ups the ctr to sponsor enormously and it all levels out at 1:xxxx
..if only i wouldn't suck that much at traffic generation.




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[shimmy2]

prrrrrrr

[Struggle4Bucks]

No matter how often i post my ratios in here... I'm not seeing a huge increase in new affiliates... I only hear an increased whining about shitty overall ratios...

January 2013: 1:373

Average affiliate ratios for the complete year 2012..... in my sig!

[Some Guy]

Fucken' tube sites, man. Things were great until they came along. Until somebody does something about them sales will probably just get worse and worse. I miss the good ol' days of making money hand over fist.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

No matter how often i post my ratios in here... I'm not seeing a huge increase in new affiliates... I only hear an increased whining about shitty overall ratios...

January 2013: 1:373

Average affiliate ratios for the complete year 2012..... in my sig!

I just went through your profile trying to find a way to contact you. No contact information. Then I went to the site in your signature, it's your paysite.

Add contact information to your profile and change the link in your signature so that it goes to your affiliate program. You will have better results.

With that said, how do I contact you?

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Sly

I just went through your profile trying to find a way to contact you. No contact information. Then I went to the site in your signature, it's your paysite.

Add contact information to your profile and change the link in your signature so that it goes to your affiliate program. You will have better results.

With that said, how do I contact you?

If you go to my site then you will see the webmasters link in the footer... Very easy to find for any affiliate.

You can contact me at: w e b m a s t e r @ s t r u g g l i n g b a b e s.com
Happy to hear from you!

[Google Expert]

too much free porn out there. people realize that it's stupid to pay for membersips

[WarChild]

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

[notinmybackyard]

First I personally want 90% of the people currently earning money in the porn industry to disappear.

But second I am an old man and I do not like seeing people go hungry. So I tell everyone again what to do.

Call the police. (or FBI)
These tubes sites have ZERO documentation on their videos. They have no proof that the video was made with consent or the performers are legal age.

Sure enough if someone walks into a police station they are going to get interogated and perhaps dismissed. But do it enough times and if enough of you people on here do it together...

Eventually the police will take care of this problem for you. All it will take is them raiding and making an example of 1 tube site and the rest will talk tough but will also run scared.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

stats screnshot or it never happened.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

Our tube site ratios started 1:20000 or even worse a few years back...

Now if were aren't doing better than 1:1000 we wonder what the hell WE are doing wrong because we aren't happy until we are under 1:500.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

HAHAHAHA!

Failure in these parts is always someone else's fault. When money was raining from the sky, everyone was a genius. Now that its not, something else is why they are failing.

[_Richard_]

you're wrong

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Our tube site ratios started 1:20000 or even worse a few years back...

Now if were aren't doing better than 1:1000 we wonder what the hell WE are doing wrong because we aren't happy until we are under 1:500.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

HAHAHAHA!

Failure in these parts is always someone else's fault. When money was raining from the sky, everyone was a genius. Now that its not, something else is why they are failing.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Fucken' tube sites, man. Things were great until they came along. Until somebody does something about them sales will probably just get worse and worse. I miss the good ol' days of making money hand over fist.

the internet had to evolve. just like cell phones,cars, tv's etc. you understand?

[Steve Awesome]

Our business models have to change and evolve, but it's difficult to evolve when the original premise of how you make money from porn was based on how difficult it was to get porn in the first place. Now that it's so easy you have to figure, well, what else is there that people want that's hard to get?

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the internet had to evolve. just like cell phones,cars, tv's etc. you understand?

Sorry, but I don't consider sites that give away our content for free much of an evolution. I think most people who produce their own content would agree with that.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Sorry, but I don't consider sites that give away our content for free much of an evolution. I think most people who produce their own content would agree with that.

Uhm... adult marketing has ALWAYS been about giving away content for free. Since day fucking one. What do you think tgps, mgps and galleries were? Free content always existed all over the internet.

Er... i mean, uh... yeah... fucking tubes!

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Uhm... adult marketing has ALWAYS been about giving away content for free. Since day fucking one.

No. It's been about giving away select content that is willingly provided for promotional use, not having content blatantly redistributed on tube sites without consent. It's painful to see content you put time and money into being given away for free on various tube sites without any permission whatsoever. I've been in this business for twelve years. I remember how things used to be. Granted things change, but everyone seemed to be doing a whole lot better before tube sites came along.

[BlackCrayon]

i can get 1:100 or 1:4000, depends on the program and the traffic being sent.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

No. It's been about giving away select content that is willingly provided for promotional use, not having content blatantly redistributed on tube sites without consent.

People used to jerk off to pictures. Pictures were always free. Everywhere. By the thousands. End of story.

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Granted things change, but everyone seemed to be doing a whole lot better before tube sites came along.

You can't think of anything else thats changed in that time? I could name a couple dozen major factors that impact conversions over that period of time. Forgetting about a maturing industry, the way people used the net completely changed in that time. But you can only think of one reason for "poor conversions"? and... none of them involve you?

[Some Guy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People used to jerk off to pictures. Pictures were always free. Everywhere. By the thousands. End of story.

Yeah, and people used to jerk-off to videos as well. Problem was, videos were a lot harder to find so they'd eventually just pay.

I'm guessing you're not a content producer. Anyone who actually produces content knows the pain of finding it for free on a tube site.

[Matt 26z]

The tubes are not going anywhere. Even if you take away the pirated content you are still left with approved content that shows too much and also amateur content that competes directly with pro porn.

[Jay - SMASH]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

[adultmobile]

Why I see every month a new thread like this and always is so popular.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Our tube site ratios started 1:20000 or even worse a few years back...

Now if were aren't doing better than 1:1000 we wonder what the hell WE are doing wrong because we aren't happy until we are under 1:500.

Same here and it makes complete sense. When the tube sites came on the scene 2005ish the few dozen out of the gatewere able to draw on 8-10 years of online content and 20 additional years of DVD/VHS content. Now there are thousands of tube sites cannibalizing each other while trying to consume the daily production of an industry they have partially destroyed.

Far-L probably has the most knowledge on the planet of the porn production capabilities of the "homecrowd" and their tendencies to sell or give it away that content (as well as the quality). My more ignorant opinion would be that there aren't enough of those actually submitters out there to keep up with the world porn habit on a increasingly thicker bandwidth pipeline.

And last I heard, girls typically want some compensation for sex, pretty much across the board.

That means that if paysites our content as best we can and leak it out smartly the world will still need porn producers and therefore the direct to consumer model can continue to work.

[RyuLion]

Yes, they're DEAD! Quit now and do something else..

Hence, more for me..

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

No matter how often i post my ratios in here... I'm not seeing a huge increase in new affiliates... I only hear an increased whining about shitty overall ratios...

January 2013: 1:373

Average affiliate ratios for the complete year 2012..... in my sig!

What he said!

[signupdamnit]

There is a reason I stated 'and only affiliates'. It's because I know what most reps and program owners are going to say already and I've seen it all before many times. It's a different reality. If you have 1,000 affiliates each sending 5,000 - 10,000 hits a month (and making one sale a month each) that is big money for you. But for the individual affiliate it's crap. It's to your advantage to get as many affiliates as possible to send you traffic regardless of how much they actually make or whether that is the best thing for their traffic.

I should have made it clear that I'm only asking other affiliates and only other affiliates. Hopefully the need to chime in was an oversight as opposed to insecurity or obnoxiousness.

[icymelon]

I am up to 1:900 with nubile films. Few other sites that are niche perform in that range.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

I could be mistaken but I think you are one of those people who used to brag about your Nasty Dollars ratio without realizing that they weren't counting raws or first page uniques? If so I question whether you really know what you are sending and what your real ratios really are.

It's not just me and it's not a question of doing something wrong (other than maybe promoting the wrong product). It's a question of generating the greatest return for the traffic as well as the time involved in generating it.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the internet had to evolve. just like cell phones,cars, tv's etc. you understand?

I can't speak for him but I don't think he means all tubes. I think he's speaking only of the ones which steal content or take advantage of the DMCA situation. That moves any question of evolution from it since there is no issue with the technology or even the tube model in and of itself.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The tubes are not going anywhere. Even if you take away the pirated content you are still left with approved content that shows too much and also amateur content that competes directly with pro porn.

True. 678

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Why I see every month a new thread like this and always is so popular.

Probably because there is something to it. This topic in particular was pretty eye opening despite the date. http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...h-anymore.html It's an interesting read. I think people are often more candid elsewhere as opposed to here for various reasons. Many people seem focused mainly on talking themselves up.

[PornDiscounts-V]

I had programs with 1:400 go to 1:1200
Others that were solid at 1:1000 go to 1:5000

I think content is very saturated. You need to find more traffic.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I could be mistaken but I think you are one of those people who used to brag about your Nasty Dollars ratio without realizing that they weren't counting raws or first page uniques? If so I question whether you really know what you are sending and what your real ratios really are.

It's not just me and it's not a question of doing something wrong (other than maybe promoting the wrong product). It's a question of generating the greatest return for the traffic as well as the time involved in generating it.

I sell 1 Nasty Dollars site in a rotation of more than 35 sites.

Last year's stats: TOTALS 206,526 1,374 $48,090.00 1:150

So yes, that is bringing the ratio down a little, but 1 site of 35 is only roughly 3%.

Even if I sold ONLY Nasty Dollars, would that total be so bad?

[SomeCreep]

In general, ratios are worsening every year. That has been the trend for the past 10 years. These are the stats for the entire adult industry as a whole.

[grandmascrotum]

Been doing this since 2000. It's no longer possible to make the gorgeous 1:30 ratios I used to make when this was a gold rush but I still do OK, depending on the site. I'm looking at ratios of around 1:300 on some of my sponsors. This is selling mainly to women. And my new paysite BrightDesire.com is doing OK, it's at about 1:250 at present, although I need a lot more time and traffic to see if that is just new site luck.

But I do have CCbill sites with seriously awful ratios... I think it depends on how the sponsor is selling and whether they've got anything new or different to offer.

[Best-In-BC]

Sales are down but my sites still profit double, so Adult, NOT DEAD

[Gator]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I sell 1 Nasty Dollars site in a rotation of more than 35 sites.

Last year's stats: TOTALS 206,526 1,374 $48,090.00 1:150

So yes, that is bringing the ratio down a little, but 1 site of 35 is only roughly 3%.

Even if I sold ONLY Nasty Dollars, would that total be so bad?

Share your secret! You are one in tens of thousands to be so fortunate!

[media]

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY.. they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.. They want to do zero work unlike the old days when you used to have to hand make each gallery and submit it to 200 sites a day in order to get 5-20 sales.. Those days could be here still for a lot of people if they had that kind of drive and put in that kind of effort again.. but no.. they want 50000 hosted galleries and 10000 free videos or they cant even get started.. lol

I made my first signup off a free host with 10 pictures within a couple days, from then on out it was work work work.. nothing was easy even when it was easy..

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by media

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY.. they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.. They want to do zero work unlike the old days when you used to have to hand make each gallery and submit it to 200 sites a day in order to get 5-20 sales.. Those days could be here still for a lot of people if they had that kind of drive and put in that kind of effort again.. but no.. they want 50000 hosted galleries and 10000 free videos or they cant even get started.. lol

I made my first signup off a free host with 10 pictures within a couple days, from then on out it was work work work.. nothing was easy even when it was easy..

Bingo! We have a winner!

[Gator]

Originally Posted by media

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY.. they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.. They want to do zero work unlike the old days when you used to have to hand make each gallery and submit it to 200 sites a day in order to get 5-20 sales.. Those days could be here still for a lot of people if they had that kind of drive and put in that kind of effort again.. but no.. they want 50000 hosted galleries and 10000 free videos or they cant even get started.. lol

I made my first signup off a free host with 10 pictures within a couple days, from then on out it was work work work.. nothing was easy even when it was easy..

That is very true. Affiliates got entitled IMO. To the point they were trying to control how sponsors ran their program.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by media

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY.. they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.. They want to do zero work unlike the old days when you used to have to hand make each gallery and submit it to 200 sites a day in order to get 5-20 sales.. Those days could be here still for a lot of people if they had that kind of drive and put in that kind of effort again.. but no.. they want 50000 hosted galleries and 10000 free videos or they cant even get started.. lol

I made my first signup off a free host with 10 pictures within a couple days, from then on out it was work work work.. nothing was easy even when it was easy..

boy do I remember those days, but the hard work paid off. Unlike today where, as you said, everyone wants everything handed to them on a silver platter and they wonder why they're making nothing. Put some damn effort into it and you will start seeing $$! Hosted galleries are fine for filler, but not something to use as your MAIN selling tool. Building your own galleries gives you more freedom on how you promote stuff on them. Not having the same shit that every other affiliate is using.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:331 overall last year. 1:386 overall this year. All sales from tube sites.

Maybe it's time to stop and ask yourself if it's YOU?

Agreed
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[madtwin]

LOL... no sales? you just have to know what ppl want to buy and how to sell it...

softcore shemale blog with just 6 posts, rarely updated, minimal traffic (10-15 uniques a day), handwritten, linking to fhg (photo galleries) - ratio this year 1:149 = 4 sales ($82)

[DWB]

Originally Posted by media

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY.. they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.. They want to do zero work unlike the old days when you used to have to hand make each gallery and submit it to 200 sites a day in order to get 5-20 sales.. Those days could be here still for a lot of people if they had that kind of drive and put in that kind of effort again.. but no.. they want 50000 hosted galleries and 10000 free videos or they cant even get started.. lol

Someone should create a bot that posts that in every thread where an affiliate is complaining about low sales.

[Konda]

Originally Posted by media

I don't think affiliate sales are dead at all.. BUT... I do think 90% of affiliates are SUPER LAZY...

100% agree! The biggest problems is the affiliates. They used to get super good ratios and making tons of sales without doing much work. Now it's not that easy anymore and they just blame others.

If you work hard it's still possible to make good money and get good ratios. There are plenty of ways to get ratios better than 1:500

Example: (this is from 300x250 banners on a tube for this current period)



Also, there is 10000x times more traffic now than back in the days and it's easier to get traffic than ever. So if you are struggling with bad ratios, you should just work on getting more traffic.

I have said this before in other threads. I rather convert 1:2000 with 1000,000 clicks than 1:250 with 10,000 clicks