That's German engineering: Volkswagen to officially launch its 261 mpg car in April

[MaDalton]

After years of rumors, development and testing, the Volkswagen XL1 is finally about to become a reality. The project that began life as a daring 1-Liter concept car in 2002, will finally get its production-ready curtain call at the Geneva Motor Show in just a few weeks.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/21/v...ed-for-geneva/

[purecane]

fuck yeah!!!! finally someone sticks it to big oil.....

[MaDalton]

and before someone else says it:

no, it's not a car for the whole family and no, you cannot tow your boat with that...

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

74 horses

[Markul]

Nice

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Monotony

74 horses

horses are very popular atm over here

0-60 in 11.9 sec and Vmax = 100 mp/h

[yuu.design]

i dont like this car :S

[mineistaken]

VW launches cars at L/100km, not mpg

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

horses are very popular atm over here

0-60 in 11.9 sec and Vmax = 100 mp/h

[pornguy]

Looks really nice. DOT in the US will never approve it.

[mineistaken]

Wait - is it actually ONLY 0.9L/100km or combined with electric battery???

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

VW launches cars at L/100km, not mpg

i know, 1L/100km makes also way more sense...

but alas, some people would have replied with "how much is that in mpg" ...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Looks really nice. DOT in the US will never approve it.

why not?

you think they dont have similar regulations over here?

[dyna mo]

it's impressive tech but there's no reason to price this car at 6 figures. hell, the honda fit is ~35k and gets ~135 mpg. makes no sense to spend another 100,000$.


sends a mixed-message, vw certainly can't be trying to say that's a fairly calculated price.

[TurboAngel]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's impressive tech but there's no reason to price this car at 6 figures. hell, the honda fit is ~35k and gets ~135 mpg. makes no sense to spend another 100,000$.


sends a mixed-message, vw certainly can't be trying to say that's a fairly calculated price.

I have a Jetta and would never get another VW.

[Choopa Phil]

So buy a 100k car with 74hp and get rear ending trying to achieve 60mph? Since my car does the 1/4 mile in the time that car takes to get 0-60. Ill pay for the gas over becoming a rolling road hazard thats for sure!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's impressive tech but there's no reason to price this car at 6 figures. hell, the honda fit is ~35k and gets ~135 mpg. makes no sense to spend another 100,000$.


sends a mixed-message, vw certainly can't be trying to say that's a fairly calculated price.

today i read they will only lease the first 50, not sell them

but it's surely not meant to be sold in the thousands, it's just supposed to show what technology can do if you really want

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today i read they will only lease the first 50, not sell them

but it's surely not meant to be sold in the thousands, it's just supposed to show what technology can do if you really want

i need to read more about it, i am certainly impressed by the 1 liter diesel,but is is that much more high-techie than the fit?

oh, lol, the 1 liter refers to efficiency! you dang euros.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i need to read more about it, i am certainly impressed by the 1 liter diesel,but is is that much more high-techie than the fit?

yeah, it's hand crafted, full of carbon, magnesium etc. since it still needs to be safe but super light

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

yeah, it's hand crafted, full of carbon, magnesium etc. since it still needs to be safe but super light

it appears there's nothing fancy about the drivetrain other than lightweight, entire car = 1800 lbs, the drag-coefficient is what's most impressive, .189 is insanely low, this car must be tiny eh, that's like less than 1/2 the drag of a 458.


so vw is accomplishing this primarily with very light weight and very minimal profile?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it appears there's nothing fancy about the drivetrain other than lightweight, entire car = 1800 lbs, the drag-coefficient is what's most impressive, .189 is insanely low, this car must be tiny eh, that's like less than 1/2 the drag of a 458.


so vw is accomplishing this primarily with very light weight and very minimal profile?

plus 2 cylinder Diesel plus battery for hybrid

i would love to find out how much it really takes on a 200-300 km trip when the battery is empty after 50 km

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's impressive tech but there's no reason to price this car at 6 figures. hell, the honda fit is ~35k and gets ~135 mpg. makes no sense to spend another 100,000$.


sends a mixed-message, vw certainly can't be trying to say that's a fairly calculated price.

The Honda Fit doesn't even get 50 MPG. Not sure where you get a figure of 135 MPG from. There's not a single car in the US that does has those ratings.

Though I am happy get 55+ mpg in my Prius. Toyota has the best Hybrid technology, followed by Ford. NO ONE is getting 135 MPG.

Edit: The Honda Fit doesn't even get 30 MPG with 4 cyl and a manual transmission:

2013 Honda Fit 4 cyl, 1.5 L, Manual 5-spd, Regular Gasoline. 2013 Honda Fit, 27. City. 29.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

The Honda Fit doesn't even get 50 MPG. Not sure where you get a figure of 135 MPG from. There's not a single car in the US that does has those ratings.

Though I am happy get 55+ mpg in my Prius. Toyota has the best Hybrid technology, followed by Ford. NO ONE is getting 135 MPG.

Edit: The Honda Fit doesn't even get 30 MPG with 4 cyl and a manual transmission:

2013 Honda Fit 4 cyl, 1.5 L, Manual 5-spd, Regular Gasoline. 2013 Honda Fit, 27. City. 29.

you think i pull this shit out of my ass?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=33265

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

plus 2 cylinder Diesel plus battery for hybrid

i would love to find out how much it really takes on a 200-300 km trip when the battery is empty after 50 km

it's actually a pretty dam good looking car!

[seeandsee]

I want to test that car ))))))

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

There's not a single car in the US that does has those ratings.

read.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/best-worst.shtml

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you think i pull this shit out of my ass?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=33265

had no idea any car in the US got that kinda mileage. Damn.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you think i pull this shit out of my ass?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=33265

Limited release. Very limited numbers. Limited to one state if I'm not mistaken. You can't even buy them, it's a lease program. And for your choice of colors, you get to pick from Blue and uh, blue.

They are doing this until 2015. IF it's a program that works, they may mass produce the vehicle. But as of now, it is not.

This is basically a test market for Honda and EVs. It's not a true retail vehicle.

The only Honda Fit available to the entire nation get's less than 30 mpg. You are right that Honda does make one, but it's a test just like the old GM EV1.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by purecane73

fuck yeah!!!! finally someone sticks it to big oil.....

yeah! Those oil industry bastards! If only they hadn't spent so many years building an incredibly complex industry that utilizes amazing technology, that brings you a product cheaper than milk, that has powered an entire planet out of the coal age and provided countless compounds, fabrics and plastics that have lifted the living standards of people around the globe!


I HATE those guys!




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[GrantMercury]

I think it's great. I like VWs but never bought one because they can't seem to keep the things from breaking down, and repairs are too much $$$. If they get a handle on the quality/reliability issue, I'll be down at the dealership. Always liked the GTI.

[GrantMercury]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

yeah! Those oil industry bastards! If only they hadn't spent so many years building an incredibly complex industry that utilizes amazing technology, that brings you a product cheaper than milk, that has powered an entire planet out of the coal age and provided countless compounds, fabrics and plastics that have lifted the living standards of people around the globe!


I HATE those guys!




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You're in good company.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

yeah! Those oil industry bastards! If only they hadn't spent so many years building an incredibly complex industry that utilizes amazing technology, that brings you a product cheaper than milk, that has powered an entire planet out of the coal age and provided countless compounds, fabrics and plastics that have lifted the living standards of people around the globe!


I HATE those guys!




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the irony is right there in your post - let's see if you can find it

[HelmutKohl]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

yeah! Those oil industry bastards! If only they hadn't spent so many years building an incredibly complex industry that utilizes amazing technology, that brings you a product cheaper than milk, that has powered an entire planet out of the coal age and provided countless compounds, fabrics and plastics that have lifted the living standards of people around the globe!


I HATE those guys!




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Real Republican has spoken!!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Limited release. Very limited numbers. Limited to one state if I'm not mistaken. You can't even buy them, it's a lease program. And for your choice of colors, you get to pick from Blue and uh, blue.

They are doing this until 2015. IF it's a program that works, they may mass produce the vehicle. But as of now, it is not.

This is basically a test market for Honda and EVs. It's not a true retail vehicle.

The only Honda Fit available to the entire nation get's less than 30 mpg. You are right that Honda does make one, but it's a test just like the old GM EV1.

so fucking what? my reply with those specs was in regards to a fucking car not even made yet, prolly not coming to the u.s., and according to madalton, only being leased to 50.

[purecane]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

yeah! Those oil industry bastards! If only they hadn't spent so many years building an incredibly complex industry that utilizes amazing technology, that brings you a product cheaper than milk, that has powered an entire planet out of the coal age and provided countless compounds, fabrics and plastics that have lifted the living standards of people around the globe!


I HATE those guys!




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????? sooo, you're okay with them lobbying our government to overthrow other governments and bomb innocent people to control all that oil? granted, there's a definite need for petroleum products, but at what cost to the economy, the environment, and human lives???

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

So buy a 100k car with 74hp and get rear ending trying to achieve 60mph? Since my car does the 1/4 mile in the time that car takes to get 0-60. Ill pay for the gas over becoming a rolling road hazard thats for sure!

Really man?

Many people seem to forget that most foreign 3/4-bangers produced between 75-100hp for many years before the engines became more powerful to appeal to North American's thirst for power in a smaller car. Take for example the 95 civic. 75 hp. And it was not a rolling road hazard. Most common people don't do 0-60 in 4 seconds.. 10-12 is fine for normal driving. Even my 91 golf had less power than that and kept up with on-ramp traffic no problem.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by purecane73

fuck yeah!!!! finally someone sticks it to big oil.....

Until big oil sticks it back. if all cars were this efficient, fuel would be $10 a litre.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pornopete

It's not a consumer car, it's a concept car that is available for public purchase (to a limited few for a high premium).

It's a very cool concept. I wouldn't mind the 0-60 at 12sec for a car that that gets 100km per litre.

look, i'm just shooting the fucking shit about a fucking car. jesus fucking christ. fact is, neither of the fucking cars are fucking *consumer cars* wtfever that means.

fuck, gfyers.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Really man?

Many people seem to forget that most foreign 3/4-bangers produced between 75-100hp for many years before the engines became more powerful to appeal to North American's thirst for power in a smaller car. Take for example the 95 civic. 75 hp. And it was not a rolling road hazard. Most common people don't do 0-60 in 4 seconds.. 10-12 is fine for normal driving. Even my 91 golf had less power than that and kept up with on-ramp traffic no problem.

i figured it's useless to discuss that with a certain kind of people that think they need a V8 and 400 hp to drive 65 mp/h

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you think i pull this shit out of my ass?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=33265

That's not an engine in it though.

You're also not factoring in how much energy those batteries are taking from charging stations. It's no more efficient than their 35mpg gas model in terms of energy consumption. It just stores more energy than a gas vehicle could, thus goes further.

That's why there's not millions of electric vehicles on the road. It's not any more cost effective. There's been lawsuits against honda and chev already for false claims of being cheaper.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

That's not an engine in it though.

You're also not factoring in how much energy those batteries are taking from charging stations. It's no more efficient than their 35mpg gas model in terms of energy consumption. It just stores more energy than a gas vehicle could, thus goes further.

That's why there's not millions of electric vehicles on the road. It's not any more cost effective. There's been lawsuits against honda and chev already for false claims of being cheaper.

jesus fucking christ.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by pornopete

It has a certain Citroen look to it.


http://www.motorstown.com/images/citroen-sm-04.jpg


http://encarsglobe.com/data_images/m...roën-ds-01.jpg

yep - and especially the SM was great - a Citroen with Maserati engine

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i figured it's useless to discuss that with a certain kind of people that think they need a V8 and 400 hp to drive 65 mp/h

It's just old school thinking.

Look back in the 70's. Typical 3/4 ton pickup truck had 175'ish hp with a big block v8. Yet they still went fast enough and had enough power.

This whole "more power" phenomenon was created to sell more cars. Plain n simple. It's not needed.

[dyna mo]

i don't need a fucking lesson on cars. i was simply shooting the shit. fact is, i was right. i compared a *non-consumer* car with a fucking *non-consumer* car, yet you felt the need to correct me.

next time, assume i know wtf i'm talking about instead of assuming i don't know wtf i'm talking about.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

jesus fucking christ.

Problem?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Problem?

yeah, your post takes my comment entirely out of context just so you can learn me on wtf you think you know about cars.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't need a fucking lesson on cars. i was simply shooting the shit. fact is, i was right. i compared a *non-consumer* car with a fucking *non-consumer* car, yet you felt the need to correct me.

next time, assume i know wtf i'm talking about instead of assuming i don't know wtf i'm talking about.

Wow.

So.. you discuss a subject posted, people discuss your comments, and because not everyone agrees with you, you throw a hissy?

You should have started your replies with this instead:
"if you don't agree with me, I want you to take no part in discussion because you need to assume I know what im talking about"

Fucking baby. Seriously. Whine whine whine. Sniff sniff

Want a fucking tissue?

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yeah, your post takes my comment entirely out of context just so you can learn me on wtf you think you know about cars.

What the hell is your problem? Are you schizophrenic? I think you should up your dose.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

It's just old school thinking.

Look back in the 70's. Typical 3/4 ton pickup truck had 175'ish hp with a big block v8. Yet they still went fast enough and had enough power.

This whole "more power" phenomenon was created to sell more cars. Plain n simple. It's not needed.

my second car was a Jetta Diesel with 54 hp - it brought me from A to B and in Germany you have lots of highways with no speed limit.

i admit it wasnt always fun but do you need more power? No.

(i still prefer more hp though )

but thats not the point of this specific model.

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

my second car was a Jetta Diesel with 54 hp - it brought me from A to B and in Germany you have lots of highways with no speed limit.

i admit it wasnt always fun but do you need more power? No.

(i still prefer more hp though )

but thats not the point of this specific model.

Oh, for sure, Power is def fun Nothing quite like the feeling of being pushed back in your seat on acceleration.