Who here doesn't own or drive a car ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Scott McD · 02-25-2013, 08:59 AM

Loads of car threads pop up here over the years, but who doesn't actually drive ??

Sometimes i feel i don't even need a car anymore, but i don't think i could ever give it up. Even with the huge gas prices.

Anyone stopped because you work from home ?

Or have you just never taken a driving test before ?

just a punk · 02-25-2013, 09:07 AM

In my city the cars are just useless. Because of this:

If you want to be somewhere in time, use metro.

MaDalton · 02-25-2013, 09:09 AM

i had two cars, sold them both cause i never drive

still have a company car that i can take if i really need to

purecane · 02-25-2013, 09:48 AM

i gave my truck to my son a year ago when he turned 17. then 2 weeks ago i sold my motorcycle to help my wife get a better vehicle. at the moment i have zero transportation....what to get next?????

geedub · 02-25-2013, 09:49 AM

Haven't owned a car for 7 years now.. I rent one if I need to use one, like a boss.

pornguy · 02-25-2013, 09:50 AM

We have 2. one for around town and the kid and my truck which is mostly for my dogs and hauling things. Wish I could do without but public transportation here is a pain in the ass.

shake · 02-25-2013, 09:55 AM

I can walk to a lot from my house and I like to bike, so we hardly use our cars these days.

Scott McD · 02-25-2013, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i had two cars, sold them both cause i never drive

Yeah i was wondering how many who work from home still bothered with a car and all the costs that come with it...

SirBunnz · 02-25-2013, 10:00 AM

Living in the middle of Amsterdam, its quicker to:

- take a pushbike
- take public transport
- walk

than drive and have to find parking!

Robbie · 02-25-2013, 10:03 AM

My guess would be:
GrantMercury and all the other guys on here who just keep on and on and on posting threads about how "rich" people are "bad" and we should raise taxes and "punish" corporations.

Dirty F · 02-25-2013, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Loads of car threads pop up here over the years, but who doesn't actually drive ??

Sometimes i feel i don't even need a car anymore, but i don't think i could ever give it up. Even with the huge gas prices.

Anyone stopped because you work from home ?

Or have you just never taken a driving test before ?

I had several cars but not anymore. Where i live it's totally useless to own a car. And i never need one anyway. If i ever move to another place i most likely will buy one again though.

v4 media · 02-25-2013, 10:05 AM

I dont. Lived in Central London, Then oldpart of Amsterdam, Then middle of Barca. So never got round to learning.

Now I live 1/2 way up a mountain, I really do need to learn.

Scott McD · 02-25-2013, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBunnz

Living in the middle of Amsterdam, its quicker to:

- take a pushbike
- take public transport
- walk

than drive and have to find parking!

Yeah you guys have it totally different from what we have here. People on bikes here are usually just targets for motorists.

Each time i visit Amsterdam, within 10mins i've usually had a few close calls with the trams and people on bikes...Doh!

mineistaken · 02-25-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

In my city the cars are just useless. Because of this:

If you want to be somewhere in time, use metro.

If they are useless how come hundreds of thousands of people own them? Are you saying there are such a huge concentration of retarded people in your city that they spend lots of money for useless thing?

AZNNC · 02-25-2013, 10:50 AM

I own 3 cars and combined put about 500 K/M a month on them.

Dirty F · 02-25-2013, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

If they are useless how come hundreds of thousands of people own them? Are you saying there are such a huge concentration of retarded people in your city that they spend lots of money for useless thing?

Oh shit, don't call any Russian a retard because he will totally freak out!

mineistaken · 02-25-2013, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Yeah i was wondering how many who work from home still bothered with a car and all the costs that come with it...

Cars are not just for going to work.
I prefer to use public transport for ecology reasons sometimes, but only when I have extra time because car get me to places faster.

just a punk · 02-25-2013, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

If they are useless how come hundreds of thousands of people own them?

This is why exactly they are useless. The traffic here is just stuck. I prefer to spend 10-20 minutes on metro instead of 3-4 hours in the car.

I believe the Hell must look somehow like that

xato · 02-25-2013, 11:11 AM

I drive 60'000 km - 100'000 km per year, have seen most of Europe by car and couldn't live without one.
That is of course, also partly because I have never lived in any bigger city, where there are better ways to get around.
I have also driven in Africa, North America, the UK (on the "wrong" side of the road

) and Asia.
I love the freedom that comes with being "mobile". The ability to go anywhere at any particular time is probably the biggest reason why I can't imagine having no car.

SleazyDream · 02-25-2013, 11:18 AM

most of the trolls don't own a car

fuzebox · 02-25-2013, 11:31 AM

I live downtown, walk everywhere. Ran into some issues importing my car to Canada, and consequently haven't driven in four months. I miss it though, hopefully will be back on the road next week.

Scott McD · 02-25-2013, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

This is why exactly they are useless. The traffic here is just stuck. I prefer to spend 10-20 minutes on metro instead of 3-4 hours in the car.

I believe the Hell must look somehow like that

What the hell is going on with those cars near the bottom right of that pic ??

mineistaken · 02-25-2013, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I live downtown, walk everywhere.

You must use public transport as well, in any bigger town/city downtown is pretty big to walk all the time, I mean you could walk for 20-30minutes to reach some other part of downtown. You have to slip in few trips with a bus or something.

SpicyM · 02-25-2013, 11:44 AM

Most of my friends live outside my town + I like travelling, small weekend trips etc. so I pretty much need one to get some fun. Fucked a lot on the backseat last year (she had her parents at home lol) , but I also love my car so I would not be albe to sell it. ;-)

2013 · 02-25-2013, 11:47 AM

don't need a car in moms basement

Rochard · 02-25-2013, 11:47 AM

I rarely drive these days. I work from home.

I have a car but if I drive 2k miles a year that's a lot for me. It's nice really. Less hassle.

fuzebox · 02-25-2013, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

You must use public transport as well, in any bigger town/city downtown is pretty big to walk all the time, I mean you could walk for 20-30minutes to reach some other part of downtown. You have to slip in few trips with a bus or something.

Downtown Vancouver isn't that big. Maybe the farthest point to the farthest point would take 25 minutes, but anywhere I go is within 10 minutes. I enjoy walking and am rarely in any kind of rush anyway. I do take the train to the airport when I fly though.

J. Falcon · 02-25-2013, 12:03 PM

I ride the bus.

L-Pink · 02-25-2013, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

In my city the cars are just useless. Because of this:

If you want to be somewhere in time, use metro.

I've got a friend that lived in Boston, now San Francisco and she hasn't owned a car in 20 years. Just rents one when she leave the city. No car cost, no maintenance, no insurance, no parking problems, etc. Makes sense.

.

mineistaken · 02-25-2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I've got a friend that lived in Boston, now San Francisco and she hasn't owned a car in 20 years. Just rents one when she leave the city. No car cost, no maintenance, no insurance, no parking problems, etc. Makes sense.

.

How would you pick up ladies from their place for a dinner without a car?

Zeiss · 02-25-2013, 12:10 PM

Car? Sold it. Most probably gonna get one of those Harley Davidson Rods soon..

DWB · 02-25-2013, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

This is why exactly they are useless. The traffic here is just stuck. I prefer to spend 10-20 minutes on metro instead of 3-4 hours in the car.

I believe the Hell must look somehow like that

I've never been to Russia so I don't know how it is done there, but does the Metro have its own streets so it can avoid such messes?

Antonio · 02-25-2013, 12:31 PM

I drive like three times per month if that

slapass · 02-25-2013, 12:41 PM

In the states, I have a car. In Brazil, I don't. It is so cool to just not worry about it. Also it works out cheaper in Rio but that is with a loss of freedom of course. Also I couldn't do it if I was working in the area at a job or business.

slapass · 02-25-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I've never been to Russia so I don't know how it is done there, but does the Metro have its own streets so it can avoid such messes?

The metro is an underground or above ground train. Or at least that is my thoughts.

loreen · 02-25-2013, 01:20 PM

Taxi, train, bus.
Don't have / need / want a car

MaDalton · 02-25-2013, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

How would you pick up ladies from their place for a dinner without a car?

i for example live in the city center with tons of restaurants around - i just let the girls come here

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

I've never been to Russia so I don't know how it is done there, but does the Metro have its own streets so it can avoid such messes?

it's underground - not like a tram

Spunky · 02-25-2013, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

How would you pick up ladies from their place for a dinner without a car?

Ballers have a limo and driver

Some Guy · 02-25-2013, 01:45 PM

I ditched my 350z a few years ago when sales started to shit the bed. Now my girlfriend and I just share a vehicle. I'm hoping sales pick up again this year (doubtful) so I can get ride of my own again. It's not hugely important I guess since I work from home and rarely go anywhere. I've become kind of a hermit over the years.

mikesinner · 02-25-2013, 02:12 PM

I never owned a car and never learned to drive. I think there is really no reason to learn now the way things are going.

Scott McD · 02-25-2013, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I never owned a car and never learned to drive. I think there is really no reason to learn now the way things are going.

If I was only turning 18 now, i'd probably have a decision to make.

When I did turn 18 though I couldn't wait to get my first car...

just a punk · 02-26-2013, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken

How would you pick up ladies from their place for a dinner without a car?

Taxi maybe?

just a punk · 02-26-2013, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

I've never been to Russia so I don't know how it is done there, but does the Metro have its own streets so it can avoid such messes?

Moscow is overpopulated so you can't avoid it anywhere. The official population here was 11,612,943 on 2012. The unofficial numbers are about 1.5 higher. That means about 10% of Russians live in Moscow.

kane · 02-26-2013, 02:48 AM

When I lived in Seattle in the early 90's I didn't own a car for about 2 years. I would rent them about twice a month for bigger trips, but just took the bus/train/cabs.

To be honest, there were some times when it was really cool to no worry about a car, but often I found myself wishing I had one and the inconvenience of not having one drove me nuts. Eventually, the last year I lived up there I ended up getting a car and have had one since.

lock · 02-26-2013, 02:57 AM

So glad I can still drive one around one day there will be no room for cars.
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v4 media · 02-26-2013, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

My guess would be:
GrantMercury and all the other guys on here who just keep on and on and on posting threads about how "rich" people are "bad" and we should raise taxes and "punish" corporations.

Not really, just because the US (outside of a few big cities) has got shit public transport.
Doesn't mean the rest of the world has.

Try driving though central London, so much easier to take public transport. My sister still lives there and uses her car about once a month.

If I want to go to my state capital. I could drive for 1/2 hour then fuck about trying to park, or I could take the train that costs less than $2 is brand new and clean, runs every 15 minutes into the center of the city, and takes the same time. Also means when there I can have a beer or two.

When I lived 20 miles outside Amsterdam for a year, the bus took 1/2 hour to get into the center, had its own lane on the road, so you'd fly past all the people sitting in cars in a jam. So again took longer by car.

Central Amsterdam to Central Paris.. quicker by train than driving.

femdomdestiny · 02-26-2013, 04:54 AM

Is it possible that so many people here see car only as a tool for transportation? I work from home, live in center of crowded city but my car is kind of hobby and pleasure I couldn't live with it. Actually , once happened back in 2008 that I didn't have a car for several months and I was completely different person. Mad, helpless and bored. Of course that I could use bus,tram,taxi,metro..whatever but that is not the point. I like to drive, especially during night when there is no so much traffic. I just go and drive. Chose favorite music and enjoy road, city or going out to nature ,driving from restaurants, drive ins, going to river or whatever you want wherever you want, without need to be with other people in public transportation.

Last summer I've went to Greece by car. Sure, I could do it with airplane, bus, train...but it is stupid. I open my roof (it is convertible) and exploring nature. Yes, it costs, but there is no alternative....I am just watching now rain for last several days. I don't even consider to go out to get wet. I will popup into car and go into underground garage of some market and finish what I need comfortably.

Mark67 · 02-26-2013, 04:55 AM

I own a SAAB.

privatesociety · 02-26-2013, 05:17 AM

Me!

Never learned how !

nico-t · 02-26-2013, 05:27 AM

car is freedom to go anywhere, i definately don't see it as a 'worry'. And i also live near the city center, i can do anything i need to by foot or bicycle, which i also do. But if you want to go somewhere further a car for me is something i wouldn't wanna live without.
I also never take public transportation, I hate it. Misses all the convenience and comfort of a car.

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	car is freedom to go anywhere, i definately don't see it as a 'worry'. And i also live near the city center, i can do anything i need to by foot or bicycle, which i also do. But if you want to go somewhere further a car for me is something i wouldn't wanna live without. I also never take public transportation, I hate it. Misses all the convenience and comfort of a car.