So, how much did that programmer cost?

[sarettah]

The discussions that lakerslive has started today about programmers and reliability and requirements definitions caused me to go look at some older "Fucking Programmers" threads.

Just for nostalgia's sake:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=997676

Originally Posted by carzygirls

oh.. ok. I'm just basically looking for a programmer who doesn't rip people off if given... say... $750 up front expecting something and getting nothing.

Also not looking for programmers who will NOT charge $900 for an automated email incorporated into site... just a down to earth competent individual who, in general, does not suck donkey ass

Originally Posted by scriptguy

you can send an email trough here: http://24hscripts.com/contact.php or send an email to webmaster[at]24hscripts[dot]com

I'll go to sleep, just send the info I need to my email and I can start working after I wake up

Originally Posted by carzygirls

It took a few hours and reason being the code is disorganized. That being said I am extremely happy with how things are proceeding and am going forward with a bunch more sites/tasks because I was satisfied with the guy's ability to decipher a site that was put together poorly from the start and made it happen anyway.

Like I originally said, I wanted somebody who can do the job and not charge outlandish fees and a bunch more work will be given as a result

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1062899

Originally Posted by beaner

I created a couple other threads that were vague and mostly trying to collect info on a guy who completely ripped my databases and files from server back in 2010.

His username on gfy is **** scriptguy ******

https://gfy.com/member.php?u=113454 profile

He reserved 6 domain names that exactly replicate my site (which are mainstream) and is processing through 2checkout (soon to be closed).

His email addy's are:

[email protected]
[email protected]

ICQ: 260892954

I just wanted to put this info. in a thread that was straight and to the point.

His paypal, paxum, 2checkout, godaddy etc. will all be frozen. He last logged in yesterday so somebody from this forum alerted him. I checked his profile prior and he had not logged in since January of this year.

I'm glad he knows he will be fucked.

I recommend anyone that has given him FTP access to perform programming tasks check your sites. Mainly, google your sites and make sure he didn't do the same to you as he did me.

His main site is 24hscripts.com

Add to the ban list please

Originally Posted by beaner

he was hired to correct a broken contact us form on the site and to implement an email confirmation on signups...

He didn't create anything... totally stole my entire server. Now it's going to cost me thousands in attorney fees to patch all the holes in what he has done

[scarlettcontent]

interesting

[Harmon]

TL:DR

[crockett]

Around here, I see job offerings for PHP coders averaging 75k a year.

Your average GFY coder isn't making $75k a year, so if they aren't capable of getting one of the many available jobs that are out there, then they probably aren't reliable or very good.

[My Fucking Traffic]

Originally Posted by crockett

Around here, I see job offerings for PHP coders averaging 75k a year.

Your average GFY coder isn't making $75k a year, so if they aren't capable of getting one of the many available jobs that are out there, then they probably aren't reliable or very good.

That is not entirely true at all. Many of us don't want to be locked down working 40 hours a week on some other guys stuff... Especially in adult. Us adult programmers know how to make money with our sites, why should we spend all our time and energy working for someone else especially for $75k/yr?

If I found someone who paid me my hourly rate 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year, I'd be making $312,000/yr.

See the problem there? Most people in adult are cheap as fuck, they don't pay for what their work is worth, so most of us competent programmers just stick to ourselves and do some freelance here and there, all while building our own stuff.

So you know what happens there? You see constant "programmer fucked me over" threads on GFY and the rare ones regarding borked or k0nr4d who do some freelance here and there being praised.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by venusgal

So you know what happens there? You see constant "programmer fucked me over" threads on GFY and the rare ones regarding borked or k0nr4d who do some freelance here and there being praised.

Rightfully so, as they are top notch, A+++.

[stinkyfingers]

it's simple. a detailed "request for proposal" [ a list of specific instructions ]. what specifically needs to be done UP FRONT. what an insane concept .........................

why doesn't this happen ? usually because the client wants to ripoff his programmer to bad so sad fuck you

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by sarettah

The discussions that lakerslive has started today about programmers and reliability and requirements definitions caused me to go look at some older "Fucking Programmers" threads.

You are referring to this statement:

You have a programming job.. do you document everything in terms of instructions and how it should work down to the dot when giving task to a programmer?

You can't just say, oh, make this work like this..

or maybe im just getting shitty programmers.

Thamkssss

Yet this thread, you are quoting somebody who stole.

The issues are different... one is how much discussion needs to occur in order to get something done.
The other is somebody who steals.

Not the same issue that you have meshed together.

And to comment on lakerslive thread, if you find a coder who can accomplish what you need done without tons of conversation and everything spelled out, you have found a good one. And they do exist.

[stinkyfingers]

Originally Posted by beaner

if you find a coder who can accomplish what you need done without tons of conversation and everything spelled out, you have found a good one. And they do exist.

and that's why you run into problems.[no two cents: fact]

[ottopottomouse]

Get what you ask for in any situation where you are requesting someone creates something for you. If you are shit at describing what you want or somehow expect the creator to be telepathic and know exactly what you want without explanation then the end result is a fuckup of your causing.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by beaner

You are referring to this statement:

Yet this thread, you are quoting somebody who stole.

The issues are different... one is how much discussion needs to occur in order to get something done.
The other is somebody who steals.

Not the same issue that you have meshed together.

And to comment on lakerslive thread, if you find a coder who can accomplish what you need done without tons of conversation and everything spelled out, you have found a good one. And they do exist.

No, I was referring to the 3 different programmer threads that Lakerslive posted today and it just got me looking back through stuff that had been discussed before. In several of the threads that you (in your CarzyGirls costume) posted about programmers, you and I (and others) had similar discussions aboout details, and finding a reliable programmer, etc.

In there I was reminded about how you ended up with scriptguy. Then I remembered what he did to you. Then what came to mind was that that programmer cost you a ton more than you bargained for in the long run.

Thus the thread, and the title. Definitely nothing personal pointed at you and sorry if you took it that way.




Edited in for reference -
Lakerslive - Freelance or company, programmer reliability, etc. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102540
Lakerslibve - Requirements documents and details - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102544
Lakerslive - Elance programmers - reliability - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1102536

Carzygirls - Looking for a particular programmer, discussion regarding requirements details - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=997676
Carzygirls - Programmer reliability - https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1019628
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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by beaner

And to comment on lakerslive thread, if you find a coder who can accomplish what you need done without tons of conversation and everything spelled out, you have found a good one. And they do exist.

To quote what I said to you in a different thread 2 years ago:

Something that I have said to the owner of my company many times. "I can't do this by osmosis". I need to understand what is in your head to be able to make it occur on the computer and the only way I know how to get something out of someone's head, unless they are extremely good at writing up a requirements document, is to ask questions.

You have often stated that you do not have to do that with your designer. It is great that you found someone that is on the same wavelength as you for those tasks but you might take a long time to reach that level with a programmer. Then again, you might luck out too.

Glad to hear that you found someone you mesh with

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[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by sarettah

No, I was referring to the 3 different programmer threads that Lakerslive posted today and it just got me looking back through stuff that had been discussed before. In several of the threads that you (in your CarzyGirls costume) posted about programmers, you and I (and others) had similar discussions aboout details, and finding a reliable programmer, etc.

In there I was reminded about how you ended up with scriptguy. Then I remembered what he did to you. Then what came to mind was that that programmer cost you a ton more than you bargained for in the long run.

Thus the thread, and the title. Definitely nothing personal pointed at you and sorry if you took it that way.

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It cost me about a grand.

And to clarify, I think communication is key. Just some things do not always need to be spelled out if you have that relationship.

Example, my site in sig. Has an affiliating tracking system custom built. Took a couple months and most of it was developed after chmod and myself chatted on skype for a bit. Questions along the way and 2 months later it is done.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by beaner

It cost me about a grand.

How much in grief, anger and anxiety did it cost?

Doesn't matter, like I said, you took this thread as being pointed at you when it was merely revisiting the situation that you found yourself in and not meant personally at all.


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[crockett]

Originally Posted by venusgal

That is not entirely true at all. Many of us don't want to be locked down working 40 hours a week on some other guys stuff... Especially in adult. Us adult programmers know how to make money with our sites, why should we spend all our time and energy working for someone else especially for $75k/yr?

If I found someone who paid me my hourly rate 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year, I'd be making $312,000/yr.

See the problem there? Most people in adult are cheap as fuck, they don't pay for what their work is worth, so most of us competent programmers just stick to ourselves and do some freelance here and there, all while building our own stuff.

So you know what happens there? You see constant "programmer fucked me over" threads on GFY and the rare ones regarding borked or k0nr4d who do some freelance here and there being praised.

Yea, I was aiming that more toward the typical fly by night GFY programmers. Of course guys that are dependable and do good work, they will have a rep that speaks for themselves and they will probably make decent money.

However those guys seem very few and far between, when it comes to guys that try to solicit work on forums.