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signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 06:18 AM

I thought I'd throw this one out over here for everyone who is still left other than from the usual bro and rep club.

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Tonight at dinner a good friend of mine said something totally unsolicited and I think it's a really good thing to bring up here.

He said to me, "I think I'm going to just cancel the few memberships to the porn sites I have because whenever I go to a tube site they have all the full length videos there anyway.."

I explained to him that what he is seeing is stolen content that has been uploaded to tube sites and that this is not normally the owners of the sites he's paying for posting these videos.

http://www.gaydemon.biz/showthread.p...mberships-quot

TheSquealer · 03-11-2013, 06:24 AM

Thanks for confirming that people still pay for porn in spite of tube sites. Or... Did he just learn about tube sites?

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Thanks for confirming that people still pay for porn in spite of tube sites. Or... Did he just learn about tube sites?

I don't know I'm only repeating the topic here. But for sure some people do still buy even when they know about tubes it's just that the number is reduced.

Markul · 03-11-2013, 06:58 AM

Another tubes are bad thread... just what we need, thanks

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Another tubes are bad thread... just what we need, thanks

Weeeell the number one problem in the industry is piracy so what do you expect? The front page should be filled with these topics really. For what it's worth I don't think all tubes are bad. I think piracy is bad.

adultchatpay · 03-11-2013, 07:06 AM

People still buy if the niche is perfectly suited for them.

PR_Glen · 03-11-2013, 07:08 AM

I know I always discuss my porn site purchases and habits at dinner parties myself.

Oh and at wine tastings...

Markul · 03-11-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Weeeell the number one problem in the industry is piracy so what do you expect? The front page should be filled with these topics really. For what it's worth I don't think all tubes are bad. I think piracy is bad.

Aha. So all we need to do is focus on problems all day long? I think I like to live my life a little different, but I'm also pretty naive

SilentKnight · 03-11-2013, 07:14 AM

The hairstylist of a good friend of my valet's cousin (twice removed) was overheard by the son of an assistant to my dog groomer as saying, "I still pay for porn online...even though there's so much for free out there."

So there you have it. Irrefutable conclusive proof.

You can take that to the bank.

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Aha. So all we need to do is focus on problems all day long? I think I like to live my life a little different, but I'm also pretty naive

It's interesting to compare and contrast the responses there versus the responses here. It's also interesting to note who the responses are coming from.

Markul · 03-11-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The hairstylist of a good friend of my valet's cousin (twice removed) was overheard by the son of an assistant to my dog groomer as saying, "I still pay for porn online...even though there's so much for free out there."

So there you have it. Irrefutable conclusive proof.

You can take that to the bank.

What kind of dog do you have?

SilentKnight · 03-11-2013, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

What kind of dog do you have?

A well-groomed samoyed.

Markul · 03-11-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

A well-groomed samoyed.

Looks like a cute type. I bet they stain easily though

Sly · 03-11-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The hairstylist of a good friend of my valet's cousin (twice removed) was overheard by the son of an assistant to my dog groomer as saying, "I still pay for porn online...even though there's so much for free out there."

So there you have it. Irrefutable conclusive proof.

You can take that to the bank.

I would comment but I'm just a rep in the bro club.

PR_Glen · 03-11-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's interesting to compare and contrast the responses there versus the responses here. It's also interesting to note who the responses are coming from.

you are right, you're the one with the misguided agenda here though..

Your story sounds like one of those stories that shifty politicians make up to help illustrate there issue.

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

you are right, you're the one with the misguided agenda here though..

Your story sounds like one of those stories that shifty politicians make up to help illustrate there issue.

You should try clicking the link and reading. I'm not the one who posted the story. A sponsor did. And you're not who I had in mind when I made the topic.

"I thought I'd throw this one out over here for everyone who is still left other than from the usual bro and rep club."

Hornydog4cooter · 03-11-2013, 08:34 AM

lol its comical that people don't think tube users don't pay for memberships

xNetworx · 03-11-2013, 08:41 AM

very cool story bro

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I would comment but I'm just a rep in the bro club.

You're usually one of the better ones. The problem is that with many reps they are being paid to look out for the interests of their employer and so that is what they do. Discussion yields to brown nosing and "sales talk". If you compare the reception this topic gets here as well as the quality of discussion versus over there it pretty much says it all.

GFY is filled with reps and people who scratch each other's backs all day. Then there are many "new affiliates" who are in the business for beer money and think getting 50 cents for 10,000 impressions on their free hosted tube is great. So they post here defending tubes in broken english while embedding content from Redtube in another tab. It's sad.

bigluv · 03-11-2013, 08:50 AM

Instead of whining about tubes, it'd be far more productive to take what they do well, improve on what they do badly, and go from there.

And despite what many people think, tubes do quite a few important things badly.

It's just that many of the mom and pop sponsors here also do those things TERRIBLY, but they do a whole raft of other things shittily too. Not singling anyone out of course.

This is just a transition and it has less to do with 'free' than it does with the customer experience.

Sly · 03-11-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You're usually one of the better ones. The problem is that with many reps they are being paid to look out for the interests of their employer and so that is what they do. Discussion yields to brown nosing and "sales talk". If you compare the reception this topic gets here as well as the quality of discussion versus over there it pretty much says it all.

GFY is filled with reps and people who scratch each other's backs all day. Then there are many "new affiliates" who are in the business for beer money and think getting 50 cents for 10,000 impressions on their free hosted tube is great. So they post here defending tubes in broken english while embedding content from Redtube in another tab. It's sad.

You aren't wrong, but I also see you complain about the same thing over and over again and you don't seem to want to take in input from others unless it is aligned with your beliefs. I can tell stories all day long about people doing bad, people doing good, people losing their house, people buying a mansion. The stories that we listen to tend to line up with how we feel about ourselves.

I have several affiliates doing well, I have several friends doing well, and I personally am an affiliate doing well. Last year was my best year ever and this year, frankly, is going to slaughter it.

There is still a stupid amount of money to be made. If you don't find a way to believe that, you will never find a way to get that money. It's out there. Go get it.

Bryan G · 03-11-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I know I always discuss my porn site purchases and habits at dinner parties myself.

Oh and at wine tastings...

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You aren't wrong, but I also see you complain about the same thing over and over again and you don't seem to want to take in input from others unless it is aligned with your beliefs. I can tell stories all day long about people doing bad, people doing good, people losing their house, people buying a mansion. The stories that we listen to tend to line up with how we feel about ourselves.

I have several affiliates doing well, I have several friends doing well, and I personally am an affiliate doing well. Last year was my best year ever and this year, frankly, is going to slaughter it.

There is still a stupid amount of money to be made. If you don't find a way to believe that, you will never find a way to get that money. It's out there. Go get it.

What input is this? Some rep telling me to leave a bro alone because they do $xx,xxx in business with him a month because they want to score some brownie points? That is exactly the kind of crap which allowed the industry to get to this point. It's meaningless to me.

I make money from adult but it's increasingly not from affiliate paysite sales. I started moving away from that in 2011 and really kicked it up in 2012. But it's frustrating to know that what I do have out there ought to be performing many times better than it is but does not primarily because of piracy.

Tofu · 03-11-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

There is still a stupid amount of money to be made. If you don't find a way to believe that, you will never find a way to get that money. It's out there. Go get it.

Damn. I'm digging that quote, right there.

(Oh, FYI: myself and Sly have no invested monetary interest and while we are cool, I'm still not in the 'bro' club.)

seXXXhub · 03-11-2013, 10:38 AM

i have a clean tube, not too many vids, but all are legit

2MuchMark · 03-11-2013, 10:42 AM

Most people who get their content from tube sites do not even realize it is stolen. I have 2 friends who are exactly like this. One of them even downloads first-run movies, music, porn. When I confront him on it he says "But it's free! Everything on the Internet is free. What do you mean pirate? No, its free! Why should I pay for it when its free? What does copyright mean?"

Yes he's an idiot (for real); but it goes to show how un educated some people are when it comes to content theft. If he was caught and went to court, "but the website said it was free!" would be his defence.

fendlestick · 03-11-2013, 10:58 AM

if it aint 1080p i aint interested.....

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Most people who get their content from tube sites do not even realize it is stolen. I have 2 friends who are exactly like this. One of them even downloads first-run movies, music, porn. When I confront him on it he says "But it's free! Everything on the Internet is free. What do you mean pirate? No, its free! Why should I pay for it when its free? What does copyright mean?"

Yes he's an idiot (for real); but it goes to show how un educated some people are when it comes to content theft. If he was caught and went to court, "but the website said it was free!" would be his defence.

I agree with you. Other industries at least have launched PR campaigns informing people that they need to BUY the content. But porn is so backwards. Instead now the big players in our industry actually PUBLISH the porn and tell the surfers it's all FREE. What else are they supposed to think?

My biggest business mistake was believing that collectively this industry could not be this stupid. I should have known better and I finally figured that out in 2011 that barring some sort of miracle (law change) it's never going to change.

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by seXXXhub

i have a clean tube, not too many vids, but all are legit

There is nothing wrong with tubes. It's just piracy and knowingly encouraging it which is the problem in my opinion. You can even accept user uploads and be legitimate. But you have to have a good DMCA procedure and a fair repeat infringer policy in place. And you can't be paying people in the Philippines (or down on their luck GFYers who used to do $600 a month in the industry last year) to secretly upload content for you illegally.

ajrocks · 03-11-2013, 11:26 AM

I think we everyone should just pack it in and give up. It will make it much easier for me.

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ajrocks

I think we everyone should just pack it in and give up. It will make it much easier for me.

Does your company have any paysites?

kane · 03-11-2013, 11:38 AM

I have a friend that told me about two years ago he stopped paying for porn. Up until then he had always had a membership to one site or another and he often would contact me and ask me for suggestions on which sites were cool and worth joining. About two years ago someone he worked with showed him Redtube and he told me there is no reason for him to ever pay for it again.

seXXXhub · 03-11-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

There is nothing wrong with tubes. It's just piracy and knowingly encouraging it which is the problem in my opinion. You can even accept user uploads and be legitimate. But you have to have a good DMCA procedure and a fair repeat infringer policy in place. And you can't be paying people in the Philippines (or down on their luck GFYers who used to do $600 a month in the industry last year) to secretly upload content for you illegally.

im NOT allowing users to upload, i dont want any trouble

NewNick · 03-11-2013, 12:23 PM

Anyone selling traffic ?

I'm buying - unlimited budget here !

Its a good job there are all these traffic brokers around !!!!!

Jel · 03-11-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You aren't wrong, but I also see you complain about the same thing over and over again and you don't seem to want to take in input from others unless it is aligned with your beliefs. I can tell stories all day long about people doing bad, people doing good, people losing their house, people buying a mansion. The stories that we listen to tend to line up with how we feel about ourselves.

I have several affiliates doing well, I have several friends doing well, and I personally am an affiliate doing well. Last year was my best year ever and this year, frankly, is going to slaughter it.

There is still a stupid amount of money to be made. If you don't find a way to believe that, you will never find a way to get that money. It's out there. Go get it.

Great post

Captain Kawaii · 03-11-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Aha. So all we need to do is focus on problems all day long? I think I like to live my life a little different, but I'm also pretty naive

In your sig you also enable tube sites. To do whatever they want I guess.

Not picking on you personally. But these threads do usually turn into content owners pissed off and people who support tube business models telling us to shove it.

We all want to make a lot of money. There are some of us who just want to do it a bit more legally and with some sense of ethics. At least at the minimum level. You know, like Vegas.

Tube people I find are techies who can populate a town but they can't create a town.
Tube people are helping new laws slowly come into effect that will kill their business. No more free porn for you today...The noose is tightening on all of us thanks to tube people.

Bryan G · 03-11-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You aren't wrong, but I also see you complain about the same thing over and over again and you don't seem to want to take in input from others unless it is aligned with your beliefs. I can tell stories all day long about people doing bad, people doing good, people losing their house, people buying a mansion. The stories that we listen to tend to line up with how we feel about ourselves.

I have several affiliates doing well, I have several friends doing well, and I personally am an affiliate doing well. Last year was my best year ever and this year, frankly, is going to slaughter it.

There is still a stupid amount of money to be made. If you don't find a way to believe that, you will never find a way to get that money. It's out there. Go get it.

Well said!! The people that continue to bitch and moan should spend more time figuring out how to make money than complaining. As you said there is still a TON of money to be made.

demographics1 · 03-11-2013, 01:56 PM

The money is still there for people working in narrow niches. General porn is kind of dead.

DWB · 03-11-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Most people who get their content from tube sites do not even realize it is stolen.

Nor do they care.

JAPhoto · 03-11-2013, 04:42 PM

I still don't see what his response was to the fact that tubes are stolen content. Did that make him think twice about unsubscribing?

Markul · 03-12-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

In your sig you also enable tube sites. To do whatever they want I guess.

Not picking on you personally. But these threads do usually turn into content owners pissed off and people who support tube business models telling us to shove it.

We all want to make a lot of money. There are some of us who just want to do it a bit more legally and with some sense of ethics. At least at the minimum level. You know, like Vegas.

Tube people I find are techies who can populate a town but they can't create a town.
Tube people are helping new laws slowly come into effect that will kill their business. No more free porn for you today...The noose is tightening on all of us thanks to tube people.

No you can't do what you want, but I don't blame you for not reading the long ass terms

We remove sites that infringe and follow US laws.

Also for the record, I'm a content owner myself as well as an operator of tubesites

Captain Kawaii · 03-12-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

No you can't do what you want, but I don't blame you for not reading the long ass terms

We remove sites that infringe and follow US laws.

Also for the record, I'm a content owner myself as well as an operator of tubesites

Thats good news. I've always thought you were pretty damn good guy. I am trying to grapple with continuing a couple of tubes. I just feel weird developing a concept I do not like as a content owner.

Markul · 03-13-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Thats good news. I've always thought you were pretty damn good guy. I am trying to grapple with continuing a couple of tubes. I just feel weird developing a concept I do not like as a content owner.

Thanks Captain, I try

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TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,217	Thanks for confirming that people still pay for porn in spite of tube sites. Or... Did he just learn about tube sites?

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Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,401	Another tubes are bad thread... just what we need, thanks

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SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	The hairstylist of a good friend of my valet's cousin (twice removed) was overheard by the son of an assistant to my dog groomer as saying, "I still pay for porn online...even though there's so much for free out there." So there you have it. Irrefutable conclusive proof. You can take that to the bank.

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Hornydog4cooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,859	lol its comical that people don't think tube users don't pay for memberships

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xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	very cool story bro

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bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	Instead of whining about tubes, it'd be far more productive to take what they do well, improve on what they do badly, and go from there. And despite what many people think, tubes do quite a few important things badly. It's just that many of the mom and pop sponsors here also do those things TERRIBLY, but they do a whole raft of other things shittily too. Not singling anyone out of course. This is just a transition and it has less to do with 'free' than it does with the customer experience.

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fendlestick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 117	if it aint 1080p i aint interested.....

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I have a friend that told me about two years ago he stopped paying for porn. Up until then he had always had a membership to one site or another and he often would contact me and ask me for suggestions on which sites were cool and worth joining. About two years ago someone he worked with showed him Redtube and he told me there is no reason for him to ever pay for it again.

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demographics1 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 47	The money is still there for people working in narrow niches. General porn is kind of dead.

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JAPhoto Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 30	I still don't see what his response was to the fact that tubes are stolen content. Did that make him think twice about unsubscribing?