Do Strippers have any rights, do they make any money ?

[JFK]

Just read this
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news...html?hpt=hp_c2

Wasn't aware of stuff like, paying $200 stage fee per shift, or $25 to dance one song and $60 for a half hour in a private room. Some strippers also have to pay DJs and other overhead costs like rent. I figured they make the money in selling booze.

WOW, don't frequent strip club at all, a whole other exploitative world out there

[Sly]

Sounds similar to a hair salon, etc.

[_Richard_]

all the best to them

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Sly

Sounds similar to a hair salon, etc.

Hair stylist, stripper; cum se cum sa.

[SplatterMaster]

A "tip out" is pretty common for strippers. Goes to help pay bartenders and DJ?s. So yea, girls pay to work at these clubs.

[xNetworx]

At most clubs 2-3 girls make crazy money and the rest struggle

[TheSquealer]

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

[purecane]

The ones that run the circuit make a ton. The ones that stay in a city are the cliche' stripper story.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

True. You can't be accused of exploiting someone if they do something by choice.

I bet the one's making a fortune aren't complaining anyway...

[Ross]

You can tell the strippers who make the $, they're nowhere near as fucking annoying as the bitches who don't. The ones who come up to you every 15 mins asking if you are ready for a dance, don't make shit. The ones you have to watch for coming by and grab before someone else does, they make the big $.

[DirtyDanza]

the house fee is very common... Ive known many a girl here in vegas that acutually left the strip club like 80 in the red

[MichaelP]

I Don't go there very often, but Yes sad but true.

And the later they get in, the higher the price. That's why you can see some 'That-Club's-Superstar' get in at 11:00 PM, go into VIP and get out at 3:00 am, no stage time, just paid VIP room lap dances... That's why you'll see more of the Newbies (New strippers) in the afternoon, because the Club fee is way lower...

[Imortyl Pussycat]

they also get fined for missing a scheduled shift

[Rochard]

My first wife was a stripper - right outside of Marne Corps Base Camp Lejeune. They were paid hourly then, and she made fucking bank. Usually she would make $500 a night... Doesn't sound impressive but that was twenty years ago and they didn't have any "private rooms" or anything - just table dances and very straight up lap dances.

Oh, the good old days....

[PornoMonster]

They pay fees to RENT the equipment so they are an independent contractor. Problem is, when you are an independent contractor you set all of your our rules. The clubs are getting in trouble since they are making rules for them to follow, thus making them employees.....

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

they also get fined for missing a scheduled shift

as they should!

that's how a strip club looses long time regulars, because they call before and ask if a certain girl will be there, then they show up and spend $60 on beer waiting for her to get there, then they have to go home and jerk off while their ugly wife watches.

and the should tip out the bartenders, you think guys tip the bartenders well in strip clubs, they are saving their dollars to make it rain on the girls.

and they should tip the DJ, he is a crucial part of hyping them up, I lived with a dj from a strip club here in Windsor for two years, if a girl didn't tip him up front she might get introduced this way "ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. This little firecracker just got off a bad case of Chlamydia and is guaranteed to give you no more than 4 STD's should you decide to take her private, just a warning though, her vagina smells like turkey stew and that big fucker sitting at the bar is her husband, husband, husband!"

DJ'ing at the rippers was a tough gig, the girls were tough on him, they'd make last minute song changes, request stupid marylin manson all the time and he would get in shit for playing it, and i am pretty sure he was paid minimum wage, he also had to collect all the stage fees from the girls before they would go on, and of course they never had the money at the start of their shift, and if they didn't pay, it was on him to make it up. Pretty sure he deserved a tip or two.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

That puzzled me also....






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[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

they also get fined for missing a scheduled shift

Wait?! They're also expected to show up to do their job as the business planned and expected?

Crazy world we live in. Seriously.

Crazy shit.

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

Not sure, do you believe in radical religion?

[NaughtyRob]

Yeah, a house fee is totally normal here in Vegas. They need to pay to work.

[diablom]

Still they make x4 or even more than average wage in my country

[JFK]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

the house fee is very common... Ive known many a girl here in vegas that acutually left the strip club like 80 in the red

OUCH ..........

[kane]

Originally Posted by Ross

You can tell the strippers who make the $, they're nowhere near as fucking annoying as the bitches who don't. The ones who come up to you every 15 mins asking if you are ready for a dance, don't make shit. The ones you have to watch for coming by and grab before someone else does, they make the big $.

I saw this show on either HBO or Showtime a while back where a film crew spent 6 months in a strip club filming the girl's lives. There was one girl in this club that made bank, a few that did well and a lot that didn't make nearly as much. The one that made the big money did use people, but she hustled. She was out giving private dances between every one of her stage dances and she kept a mailing list of people and would email them telling them each week when she was working. She led some of the guys on and made them think they were dating her, but she also worked her ass off while the other girls did next to nothing and always complained about how she made so much more than them.

It seems like you don't even have to be the hottest girl to make more money. It can help, but if you have a great personality, have fun and connect with the guys you will make more than some smoking hot chick who just dances around looks like she would rather be anywhere but there.

[shimmy2]

watch the movie hustle and flow famous line in the strip club... angry stripper says to her pimpin boyfriend...

"nigga i aint even made payout yet!" (to pay the club)

[onwebcam]

It generally costs my gf $60-100 just to walk in the door and this doesn't include tipouts. All drinks sold above quota 100% goes to the bartender. 30% of dances and privates to the house.

[Supz]

It really just like any other commission based job where you can make a lot of money. There are business expenses.

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by kane

It seems like you don't even have to be the hottest girl to make more money. It can help, but if you have a great personality, have fun and connect with the guys you will make more than some smoking hot chick who just dances around looks like she would rather be anywhere but there.

Same can be applied to cam girls

I used to live at the strip club in my twenties. Now just go occasionally maybe 1-2 times per year cause my buddy owns one.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Same can be applied to cam girls

Same can be applied to life. ;-)

[SleazyDream]

When I think about it, it's a good idea. Soo many strippers (and just people in general) will take advantage of anything, the fees force them to hustle or get out of the biz. Probably the only way to get man of them to work. Without it, they'd do 1/2 as much for the same money and the club gets fucked cause people leave.

[SleazyDream]

oh God, I watched the video and Oh my God, the greedy bitches in that video want 100% of what they earn? GROW UP. The club costs MONEY, advertising costs money, security costs money etv.

Idiot strippers want to walk in and get 100%, life don't work like that in ANY other business. Pay your fees and work harder.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

Originally Posted by Scott McD

True. You can't be accused of exploiting someone if they do something by choice.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

That puzzled me also....

So if you accept something that is exploitative (regardless of some hypothetical 'choice' someone else thinks you have), or if you're oblivious to the fact that it's exploitative, that means it's not exploitative?

Funny.

[Mike Honcho]

I can assure you the only places who charge a stage fee are the high end clubs. The Majority of women make most of their money doing lap dances and bringing clients into the high priced "VIP" rooms.

I know a few strippers and they net the most of their money from regulars who specifically come to see them.

[Mutt]

exploitive? they're independent contractors, little business people. it's no different than a cam site - the cam site owner and strip club owner provide the platform, and most importantly the customers - in return the dancers and cam girls pay a share/fee to the cam site and stripclub owner.

that's how taxi drivers work too - taxi driver pays the taxi company to drive one of the company's licensed cabs. taxi driver keeps his profits, hard working driver makes good money, the lazy one may not make a dime.

[LeeD]

I never really frequented strip clubs, but went to one once that didn't have a dj. It had a jukebox instead, and the strippers had to put money in it to play their songs before they went on.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by kane

It seems like you don't even have to be the hottest girl to make more money. It can help, but if you have a great personality, have fun and connect with the guys you will make more than some smoking hot chick who just dances around looks like she would rather be anywhere but there.

Quoted for the truth. Last year 10 of us went to Manchester, England for my Batchelor weekend for two nights, both nights we hit the strip club for a bit of a laugh as you do. First night we went after clubbing and drinking all day, a bit worse for wear and with tons of gimmicky shit like Kanye glasses, the girls were all drawn to us immediately. We strung them along mostly but my buddies bought me dances and bought themselves dances, naturally first dance is with the best looking girl but then as you chat to some, that changes drastically! Second night my buddy who LOVES strip clubs, went for one of the ugliest girls there, she had a bangin body but her personality was amazing, we really thought, he thought she was into him, it was insane. He must have spent $200 just on this girl on dances that night.

We ripped on him the rest of that night for it but his face was lit up, he had the night of his life since he doesn't do too well with the ladies, this girl made his entire weekend.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is someone making a conscious choice as an adult and agreeing to terms being "exploited"?

Maybe they think it's the only choice they have?

[Penny24Seven]

My GF is one, she leaves an hour before they close because she can. The last hour is all the drunks trying to take the girls home and the worst hour to be there she says lol. They have a tipout which pays the DJ and bouncers I think. It goes by how many girls are working. I know if they are late they pay a fee to the house. If they leave early and if they miss their call to dance and a few other ones I think. Each place is different though of course

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by kane

There was one girl in this club that made bank, a few that did well and a lot that didn't make nearly as much. The one that made the big money did use people, but she hustled. She was out giving private dances between every one of her stage dances and she kept a mailing list of people and would email them telling them each week when she was working. She led some of the guys on and made them think they were dating her, but she also worked her ass off while the other girls did next to nothing and always complained about how she made so much more than them.
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So basically it's a microcosm of the rest of the world, and a lesson in how life actually works in human society.





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[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Markul

Maybe they think it's the only choice they have?

Maybe they think Obama is an alien. Maybe they think their dog an talk. Maybe they think rain is actually unicorn tears. Maybe they think their cat can fly. Maybe they think a lot of things that aren't rooted in our common perception of reality. The act of thinking something does not automatically make everyone else responsible for that thought. That thought is the responsibility of that individual... As are the consequences.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Not sure, do you believe in radical religion?

[JFK]

further to the subject, a friend just sent this link
http://www.702stripclubs.com/club-guidelines/

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

Over the years, I've came to feel pity for you. You have no point to make. You have no well formed, well reasoned arguments to make. You have no solid position at all that you either have to put forth for criticism or that you might be forced to defend. You avoid taking a position and engaging in active debate like a penguin

The simple truth about you is that you're afraid. You're haunted by low self esteem and a very low opinion of yourself. You hide (as Baddog tends to) behind safe pokes and safe rhetorical questions which at best, are rarely more than safe attempts to bait the other into predictable response/predictable argument/predictable position, where you can then make a another safe poke with another safe rhetorical question, anticipating another predictable response.

You're afraid and you're weak. This is why you are someones employee and why it can be safely assumed that you likely perform at a level just mediocre enough to not get fired. There is no fire in you. There is no passion. There is no determination. There is no vision. There are no great ideas, great plans and great ambitions. There is only expressions of bitterness and weakness.

I don't have to ask if you're successful, if you have successful side projects, if you run successful networks of sites or make 6+ figures a year as some reps i know actually do, because i've seen enough of your personality to understand that you don't believe in yourself. I know you're not successful. You lack confidence, you lack the required belief in yourself and your abilities and lack even the basic ability to fully accept personal accountability and responsibility for your station in life. By attacking others, particularly those who are successful, you doing nothing more than letting yourself off the hook for your lack of success.

The recurring theme with you is always "its someone else's fault", "they are forced to act that way", "they only do that because" ... and so on. These are the sides you more or less feign taking ("feign" - because you don't actually form arguments) which of course is a line of thinking a weak person subscribes to as it allows them to also avoid any accountability for their own decisions and station in life. If nothing is "their" fault.... then nothing is "your" fault. A convenient trick of the mind.

Each set of smiley face's you post, is really posting a series of crying faces as you whimper for that love, attention and respect that you find missing in your life.

[TheSquealer]

i dont know where the "penguin" came from or where i thought that was going. My significant other called as I was typing about some contractual issues with a company. I think it was part of that conversation. haha.

[Sunny Day]

Back in the mid 80's used to go to the clubs. Girls could make $500-1000 a night. But would waste money on dumb things like $750 sunglasses rather than fixing their cars. One couldn't come up with apartment deposit so she had to spend almost all she made for a room at the next door motel.
Crazy part is most I knew made great dance money and turned a few tricks and still living in total poverty.
Went over to one stripper's house. Her and her husband were going to have a roast duck and a very expensive french wine. When I got there, they were in the front yard screaming at the repo man. Seems they owed $300 on one of their classic Suburbans. $300??? Hell she was fucking this one old man once a week for $1000.
2 did do well, only because they ended up managing or owning strip bars.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Ross

Quoted for the truth. Last year 10 of us went to Manchester, England for my Batchelor weekend for two nights, both nights we hit the strip club for a bit of a laugh as you do. First night we went after clubbing and drinking all day, a bit worse for wear and with tons of gimmicky shit like Kanye glasses, the girls were all drawn to us immediately. We strung them along mostly but my buddies bought me dances and bought themselves dances, naturally first dance is with the best looking girl but then as you chat to some, that changes drastically! Second night my buddy who LOVES strip clubs, went for one of the ugliest girls there, she had a bangin body but her personality was amazing, we really thought, he thought she was into him, it was insane. He must have spent $200 just on this girl on dances that night.

We ripped on him the rest of that night for it but his face was lit up, he had the night of his life since he doesn't do too well with the ladies, this girl made his entire weekend.

I rarely go to strip clubs anymore. The porn business has ruined them for me I know they are all about commerce now.

However, about five years ago a friend of mine got a great promotion and was moving away for his job so we took him out to celebrate. We end up at a strip club. The first girl that came out on the main stage was smoking hot. She had an amazing body and gorgeous face. She was okay. She said hi to everyone and shook her ass and spun around the pole and made some good tips. The next girl up was actually hotter than the first, but she just stood around like she was half asleep, shook her ass a few times and then just walked around collecting her dollar bills. She had the personality of gray clay and it was almost like she had the attitude that we were lucky to see her naked. She did okay because she was so hot, but didn't make as much as the first girl.

When the third girl hit the stage it was like she was shot out of a cannon. She had a smile on her face, smacked herself on the ass, sang along to the song and was very into it. She jumped around, paid attention to everyone and really seemed like she was having a good time. The guys were cheering her on and the cash was raining down on her. She wasn't ugly by any stretch, but she wasn't hot either. She had a decent body and a decent face. She did have great tits though . Realistically she was a pretty average girl with a great rack and a nice smile, but she has personality for days and she connected with the guys. She talked shit, made jokes she even made fun of herself and it was a very good time. She made bank.

About an hour later she came out again, but this time she was on the second, smaller stage in the back. Half the guys sitting around the main stage got up and moved to her stage when she came out. The look on the girl who was dancing on the main stage's face was priceless. She was not very happy. If she were smart she would have learned the lesson right then, but I have a feeling she didn't and just hated the other girl.

[RyuLion]

There's a reason why the Club has all those fees..

[JFK]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

There's a reason why the Club has all those fees..

To part you from Yo money honey

[tony286]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

There's a reason why the Club has all those fees..

Because they can , its pretty new. I worked in strip clubs in the 80 and early 90's in NY. Girls didn't tip out or pay anyone the club paid for the employees. The first club I worked at paid the girls $15 an hr for their times on the stage and they got their tips. That was before lap dances.

[BigChad]

This woman is just pissed that her ass got Butt ugly, and can't make money anymore and has no retirement. If these bitches don't like it, they can spend a million dollars + to build there own club and maintain it.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

i dont know where the "penguin" came from or where i thought that was going. My significant other called as I was typing about some contractual issues with a company. I think it was part of that conversation. haha.

He is one of the few people I have on ignore.