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xenigo · 04-01-2013, 08:06 PM

It's like Groundhog Day on Facebook.

"I've got this GREAT NEW PRODUCT to sell! Everyone contact me to have a body wrap party! It's only a recurring subscription of $200 / month + $89.99 shipping! It's a great deal! Call me and I'll come to your house and assault all of your friends with my retarded pitch!"

Why does it seem like every MLM person I have ever known is a fucking wackjob? Why can't they just build a blog, create some content, get some backlinks, and sell the way normal internet marketing people do it?

It parallels Christianity.

Oh, and what's up with these MLM programs charging their affiliates? Who in their right mind would think they should pay to sell a product?

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As a Marketing Partner, Affiliate or Manager you will be able to share the MLM Business with others and receive discounts on your purchases.

O RLY!?! I'm so excited!!

~Ray · 04-01-2013, 08:08 PM

they all seem to think they are the first to hear about mlm because it's never presented as mlm

96ukssob · 04-01-2013, 08:17 PM

"There is a sucker born every minutes." Really, these people are fucking morons and believe in the "get rich quick" schemes.

I get a lot of these morons who want me to do marketing for them, but instead of paying me, I pay for the media and we share the profits... LOL right

candyflip · 04-01-2013, 08:33 PM

My theory is that the more obnoxious they are, the more successful they can be. I love me Dad, but he's a sales guy and he's relentless and it can be quite obnoxious at times. He will talk to anyone and any time. My parents have been a part of Amway for 30 years, and it has worked for them.

I have a small business that he started building for me when I was 18. I worked it for a few years, but he's built it up for me and 18 years later it is a nice little passive income stream.

Amway now is basically a wholesale operation like a BJs that also has a business opportunity attached to it. You can shop or you can throw your whole life into it. Different options for different folks.

candyflip · 04-01-2013, 08:35 PM

And in the case of Amway, the are very strict about what you can and can't do to market your business and products on the Internet.

Same with other larger MLMs like Herbalife and Mona Vie.

xenigo · 04-01-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Same with other larger MLMs like Herbalife and Mona Vie.

So here's my burning question:

If I can join a normal affiliate program for free, why would I want to pay to join Amway or Quixstar, or Mona Vie? Logic would presume that if this is indeed NOT a pyramid scheme, I wouldn't have to pay. Logic would also presume that if they really wanted to move as much volume as they could, it would function exactly like a traditional affiliate program. You don't see Amazon charging their affiliates... but I do see their packages on every porch across the United States on a daily basis...

It seems that it's not so much about moving product, or else it would be free to join. It seems it's almost entirely about me paying. My downline paying. Etc.

And I could spam the shit out of my friends and annoy the fuck out of everyone 24 / 7 if I wanted... but I don't... because I don't need to. I sell to people who are searching for what I'm selling.

Why does it seem like their business model revolves around selling things to people that weren't looking for them to begin with?

Why can't they just market themselves using the methods of the traditional affiliate model?

Joshua G · 04-01-2013, 09:00 PM

IMO the goal is to attract idiots, nothing more. some MLM guy recently got busted on a 600 million ponzi called zeekrewards. i swear these people prosper by fleecing the dumb out of their savings.

xenigo · 04-01-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

IMO the goal is to attract idiots, nothing more. some MLM guy recently got busted on a 600 million ponzi called zeekrewards. i swear these people prosper by fleecing the dumb out of their savings.

I think this is about right. It makes no sense that they'd do anything other than the already proven affiliate model. The only people I've ever heard of who actually drink Mona Vie are the people who sell it... coincidence?

Bman · 04-01-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

I think this is about right. It makes no sense that they'd do anything other than the already proven affiliate model. The only people I've ever heard of who actually drink Mona Vie are the people who sell it... coincidence?

a lot of them collapse like mona vie. lol fuckin juice lol

Bman · 04-01-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

So here's my burning question:

If I can join a normal affiliate program for free, why would I want to pay to join Amway or Quixstar, or Mona Vie? Logic would presume that if this is indeed NOT a pyramid scheme, I wouldn't have to pay. Logic would also presume that if they really wanted to move as much volume as they could, it would function exactly like a traditional affiliate program. You don't see Amazon charging their affiliates... but I do see their packages on every porch across the United States on a daily basis...

It seems that it's not so much about moving product, or else it would be free to join. It seems it's almost entirely about me paying. My downline paying. Etc.

And I could spam the shit out of my friends and annoy the fuck out of everyone 24 / 7 if I wanted... but I don't... because I don't need to. I sell to people who are searching for what I'm selling.

Why does it seem like their business model revolves around selling things to people that weren't looking for them to begin with?

Why can't they just market themselves using the methods of the traditional affiliate model?

honestly i think they work it on the idea of exclusivity. I think its bs like you do...so we dont do it.
On the other hand facebook started on the exclusivity idea. I saw one particular person on this board start talking about FB about 7 years ago when it first came out and I said if that fuckin tard is blabing about it I will never sign up...of course I never signed up to facebook and I dont see that guy on here anymore

candyflip · 04-02-2013, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

So here's my burning question:

If I can join a normal affiliate program for free, why would I want to pay to join Amway or Quixstar, or Mona Vie? Logic would presume that if this is indeed NOT a pyramid scheme, I wouldn't have to pay. Logic would also presume that if they really wanted to move as much volume as they could, it would function exactly like a traditional affiliate program. You don't see Amazon charging their affiliates... but I do see their packages on every porch across the United States on a daily basis...

It seems that it's not so much about moving product, or else it would be free to join. It seems it's almost entirely about me paying. My downline paying. Etc.

And I could spam the shit out of my friends and annoy the fuck out of everyone 24 / 7 if I wanted... but I don't... because I don't need to. I sell to people who are searching for what I'm selling.

Why does it seem like their business model revolves around selling things to people that weren't looking for them to begin with?

Why can't they just market themselves using the methods of the traditional affiliate model?

In the case of Mona Vie or Herbalife, they have products that no one else has and the only way to get them is through the MLM scheme. The people buying the products or buying into the system are looking for something specific, that they can't get elsewhere.

With Amway, like I said you're basically paying to join a wholesale club. It's like $20 and you get access to much more than you'd get at your local BJ's or Sam's club. There are people that join just to do this. Because as you spend, you are generating points which eventually generates cash. If you decide to push a downline, that is open to you and if you can work it...there's money to be made.

I am not a big fan of the Amway culture, but there are plenty of people making money with it and not just the long time folks at the top of the pyramid. I pretty much stopped pushing things because I felt limited being a web marketer and being told that 90% of what I wanted to do wasn't acceptable. They want everyone to have an equal opportunity, or at least that's what they say. I pushed as much as I could and got shot down every step of the way. Amway didn't even like me buying products and selling them for retail on a website.

Amazon has taken a bunch of Amway's online shop ideas and made them there own. Amway had automatic fulfillment 15+ years ago. Amazon added it last year.

I have a case of Mona Vie on hand at all times, and I'm not one of their distributors. You can't sell on eBay unless you sell them OVER retail price. But I drink it every day.

candyflip · 04-02-2013, 05:22 AM

I just thought about this too, and figured I should throw this in.

With the ones I mentioned above, the fee includes all of the materials needed to get started. So it's not just a straight cash grab. I know Amway used to be about $200 and you got $300 worth of their products and the sales stuff. Mona Vie you get a case of bottles and their materials. I would imagine most follow this same model, as Amway is at the top of the heap.

The guy who started Mona Vie has / had a very large Amway business and structured Mona Vie almost identically.

woj · 04-02-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I just thought about this too, and figured I should throw this in.

With the ones I mentioned above, the fee includes all of the materials needed to get started. So it's not just a straight cash grab. I know Amway used to be about $200 and you got $300 worth of their products and the sales stuff. Mona Vie you get a case of bottles and their materials. I would imagine most follow this same model, as Amway is at the top of the heap.

The guy who started Mona Vie has / had a very large Amway business and structured Mona Vie almost identically.

that's all great, except (in the case of Mona Vie) the "product" is some juice blend with vitamins for $70/bottle... real value of the "juice" is what $5-$10? it's a decent product, but people are paying 700% markup for it...

candyflip · 04-02-2013, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's all great, except (in the case of Mona Vie) the "product" is some juice blend with vitamins for $70/bottle... real value of the "juice" is what $5-$10? it's a decent product, but people are paying 700% markup for it...

I don't buy the stuff, my father in law gives it to us...but I don't think he pays much more than $20 a bottle.

mopek1 · 04-02-2013, 06:18 AM

Products are always over priced to make the scheme work and most aren't really that great anyway. They are the same as what you'd buy in a store. The exclusive products aren't of much value.

candyflip · 04-02-2013, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Products are always over priced to make the scheme work and most aren't really that great anyway. They are the same as what you'd buy in a store. The exclusive products aren't of much value.

That is where a big company like Amway has an edge. Not only do you have access to their products, but you can buy and sell major brands and products in addition to that.

I have no issue at all with the business model, it's the culture that goes along with it. That really didn't exist to the extent it does now, when I grew up with my parents knee deep in it.

Just found this. My parents have been doing it for 30 years, at least. And their not quite half way up the chart.

mopek1 · 04-02-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I have no issue at all with the business model, it's the culture that goes along with it.

You pretty much nailed it and it's what turns off most people and makes others into annoying wackjobs like the OP said.

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,052	My theory is that the more obnoxious they are, the more successful they can be. I love me Dad, but he's a sales guy and he's relentless and it can be quite obnoxious at times. He will talk to anyone and any time. My parents have been a part of Amway for 30 years, and it has worked for them. I have a small business that he started building for me when I was 18. I worked it for a few years, but he's built it up for me and 18 years later it is a nice little passive income stream. Amway now is basically a wholesale operation like a BJs that also has a business opportunity attached to it. You can shop or you can throw your whole life into it. Different options for different folks. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,052	And in the case of Amway, the are very strict about what you can and can't do to market your business and products on the Internet. Same with other larger MLMs like Herbalife and Mona Vie. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,052	I just thought about this too, and figured I should throw this in. With the ones I mentioned above, the fee includes all of the materials needed to get started. So it's not just a straight cash grab. I know Amway used to be about $200 and you got $300 worth of their products and the sales stuff. Mona Vie you get a case of bottles and their materials. I would imagine most follow this same model, as Amway is at the top of the heap. The guy who started Mona Vie has / had a very large Amway business and structured Mona Vie almost identically. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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mopek1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,060	Products are always over priced to make the scheme work and most aren't really that great anyway. They are the same as what you'd buy in a store. The exclusive products aren't of much value.