Crazy Enough

I have nothing against CCBill, but let's be honest here!

They don't have the best conversion, the best user experience, the best interface or the best back-end panel (it's slow and confusing).

So, why most webmasters still worship them?

If they were that kind of awesome, at this time they already had created "their own Paxum", to pay affiliates with their own prepaid card, instead just checks. Beyond that, they could have worked on an improvement on that 1998 looking form interface.

HTML5 is here, as well as responsive web design. JavaScript is important than ever, specially with web forms.

If not just CCBill, but all the others start to invest more time and efforts in User Experience Design, I am sure the conversions will increase.

What isn't acceptable is just enter into this "complaint cycle" like a mouse on a wheel.

Let?s try to improve suggesting new ideas instead of just complain or give up!

Yes or yes?

P.S.: Sorry for my poor, self-taught English.

duk75

Crazy enough...

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pornmasta

because nats is so manwin :/

Barefootsies

I do not know that "webmasters worship CCBill".

However, I think they like to get paid timely for their efforts.

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um who worships ccbill ?

fitzmulti

I like using CCBILL, but I do not "worship" them.
What I "worship" is getting my damn money, which they do WITHOUT FAIL...
on time, no bullshit...not fucking around...not ONE EXCUSE! , ever!

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leg4

I agree, it is a horrible/clunky 2001 interface.


And had they stepped up and created a system for Micro-payments... We'd all be having fun in the Doe$ again.

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georgeyw

THIS ^^^^^^^

Their stats are a pile of absolute shit and that has been documented here MILLIONS of times. However they pay, many many programs come and go ripping off truck loads of webmasters, however CCBILL stays true...

Plus good way to add a heap of new sites to your promotion without worrying about meeting minimum $.

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Crazy Enough

I guess we are living the end of times...

Always pay in time... Well, this is an obligation. If I have a job, I'll expect to get paid in time too, according to what was previously agreed.

Am I wrong?

We are living the era of paid slavery. Times when people worship others just for being paid for their work.

We should be grateful when we receive some prize, but I get the point. People are so traumatized with "cheaters and shavers" that are becoming worshippers, or just sheeps.

The lower you go, the harder is to get back on top. People will abuse you. The hole will be so deep that will be impossible to go back.

globofun

CCBill always converted well for me!

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"worship" +
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SBJ

This is the main reason people promote ccbill sites so much. You can try out any new program and know you will get paid for EVERY signup and rebill without worrying about the stupid $50 or $100 min payouts.

And knowing that they pay every week ontime is awesome.

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Lace

I've been getting my checks every week from them for the past 8 years. I think I've only had a late check once. No other problems.

Yeah, their interface is slow and clunky, and their scrub is usually pretty strong but I cant complain. I think I've had less than a handful of chargebacks in my time using them as a processor too.

There are not many programs that can say the same.

AJHall

They're reliable. They also handle 3-tier cascading with Epoch and SegPay which a lot of people don't use because they don't publicize it but more site owners should probably consider.

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sojproductions

Always has been and always will be because of payment reliability for both sponsors and affiliates alike. In 6 years only had 1 delay and it was corrected in 48 hours, hard to walk away from that.

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pretty nice to actually get paid.

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Webmasters love what converts well. I guess that's the reason.

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CamTraffic

CCbill brand is trusted by a LOT of users, therefore Helps conversions + they do pay (affiliates) on time, every time and been doing so FOR A VERY LONG TIME. (Which is pretty rare nowadays)

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v4 media

to test a new sponsor, ccbill makes it easy, you get one sale you get paid. Rather than waiting to hit min payout.

You also know you're gonna get paid.

signupdamnit

This business is filled with scumbags. I recently discovered that a certain poster here is actually the owner of a program which suddenly closed up shop and owes people money. They now have a new program. They aren't hiding anything so I'm not going to out them.. If you click the link in their sig and Google the name on the Whois you will see the connection. Affiliate beware!

CCBill doesn't prevent 100% shaving or not getting paid but it does help considerably by making it harder for scumbags to screw you. In these times that's worth a lot. Then there is the $25 minimum payout and the merging of accounts which helps when promoting smaller micro niche sites.

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2MuchMark

The billing provider (CCBill) does not "Convert". YOUR CONTENT and YOUR WEBSITE, "converts".


User experience is great. Installation is a snap. Technical support is super-fast. It may be a little slow but then again so is paypal. Confusing maybe but live help is a click away.

Never-late on payouts, good service, friendly staff. That being said though, I do not worship them. There are things that CCBill does that I wish they would change and I've let them know this. They didn't make the changes but oh well.

Why should they? Why should CCBill take on any more risk or liability? Maybe they aren't interested in that market? Maybe they want to concentrate on their core product and make it the best it can be? Why jump in and compete in a new market when others like Payoneer and Paxum already have it locked up? Maybe CCBill and Pax/Pay are already a good fit and already make money working together?

Don't blame a billing processor because your site and content do not convert your customers. That's like saying everyone is walking past your bar and going to others because your ATM machine isn't shiny enough.

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tonyparra

He makes some valid arguments. And a poorly constructed or confusing join page can affect sales.

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pornguy

I have been processing with CCBill since 1998 as an affiliate and as a site owner. The check or wire has NEVER been late.

But that being said I sure do wish they would invest in US and the business rather than in people that dont process with them.

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Far-L

So basically the two main reasons are:

1. It is what people are used to and don't want to change.

2. They cut checks on the same days of the month consistently.

The first makes sense because it is human nature, and the second should be the first standard of any relationship with a financial institution. Both pretty much set the bar for the lowest level of expectations.

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_Richard_

seems to be the way, eh

96ukssob

simple...

They always pay you!

I've personally pushed more sites with CCBill because I know I will get a check each and every week from them, rather than having to chase down a program.

From an affiliate pov, its more secure and reliable then the company paying themselves. Sure, there are some stand up ones that I have been receiving checks and wires from for years now, but for every one legit, there are ten shaddy companies looking to fuck someone over.

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money baby ....on time payments.,

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Dankasaur

Sadly this industry is full of companies who will gladly accept your traffic and sales, but are harder to get paid from than that buddy who "borrowed" $20 from you in college.

tonyparra

If zombaio started paying on time all the time then they would take more ccbill business away

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Far-L

This makes close to the most business sense to me - but it also is pretty much a sophist argument.

Here's why I say that...

Webmasters/affiliates that try every new ccbill site that comes along and give it a little bit of traffic, diluted because they send traffic to (x) number of other sites are pretty much taking a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach. In that case, the small rate of signups to that site is going to be inevitable. Instead of focusing on what converts and directing more traffic to that, which would in most cases negate concerns about minimum payouts, those webmasters take chances on programs/sites that 95% of the time are going to be gone within a few months and will require more energy and effort to replace.

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Crazy Enough

Ok folks, maybe worship is too much, but I read compliments everywhere.

I know they are honest, and pay in time. Again, this is what every serious business who cares about long-term reputation and brand construction should do.

It is cool that they work with small payments, with them you can promote several sites, make one or two sales, and at the end, you can receive one single check.

Although, I agree with Far-L. Sending a few visits for several sponsors is very bad because you disperse your traffic. This is useful only for test purposes, not to use as a business model.

********** - Understood. They have a good support, but I still think that they could create a better checkout experience. The idea of having their own Paxum was just a thought. I know that maybe they just don't want to do that.

What I see in the adult industry is too much reclamation, and too little innovation.

The business model of today is the same of ten years ago or more. Everything is changing, so I guess we should do the same, that's why I've created this topic. Not to offend anyone, just to make people think.

If I had the money, the structure and an established adult billing business I would have my own prepaid card, I would improve my software continuously, and maybe create my own affiliate tracking software and perhaps a very nice CMS too.

Why in mainstream people are more willing to dare, to try, no matter what? They have no fear. The mindset of adult business owners seems to be fed by fear.

GUMROAD.COM - They have best checkout experience on the internet in my opinion. Can you imagine something like that in our world? The owner is a very smart developer. He used to work at Pinterest, but he left to start his own "home company" at the age of 19. A few months later, he raised $8.1 Million. This guy is obsessed with user experience. That should say something.

Sly

It's a very risk averse approach. I make my biggest advances, both with money and my personal life, when I take big risks. I realize many people do not like taking risks, but it's really the only way to grow, IMO.

How do you find a new great sponsor that might make you a killing without taking the risk of giving them a try?

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signupdamnit

Unfortunately there aren't that many great sponsors which convert out there anymore. Many factors such as piracy changed things significantly. It used to be that if I found a new sponsor in a micro niche I would get excited. I could probably find a few thousand visitors a day to send them somewhere and make good money if they converted something like 1:100 or 1:200 (and it used to happen all the time up until about 2008). The rarer the content the better. But now it's all available somewhere for free. Maybe I can convert it at 1:1,000 if the sponsor is honest and the content is good. But that is a big maybe. Still, big deal. Maybe I'll make 1 or 2 sales a day but that is nothing compared to the 10 or 20 sales a day I used to make with a great sponsor when all things aligned. Then the rebills are much worse too.

Making 10-20 sales a day with two or three times the rebill rate was a much better incentive to experiment than the potential to make 1-2 sales a day with 1/2 or 1/3 the rebill rate. It's like the difference between playing a lottery with the same odds and the same cost for a ticket but one day the potential winnings are $10,000,000 while on another day you can only win $100. There aren't going to be many people standing in line on those $100 days. And so it is. You don't grow by taking big risks for pocket money.

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Most webmasters worship CC Bill, because of longevity and dependability.

I think we'd all prefer a 2001 interface as opposed to not getting paid on time.

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Supz

Not sure if it was mentioned. But also people like getting bigger checks and just 1 check. In certain countries the check cashing cost can be expensive. If you can do it once time for 100 sponsors instead of 100 times for 100 sponsors. You can save a lot of money and time. This does not effect me since I am a US based webmaster. But I am sure it might effect some. Also they pay every cycle like clockwork. You're sponsor cant pull any bullshit on you about rations or what have you. There are a bunch of reasons why people like them and use them still. Also. There really is no alternative for webmasters that is better. If you have a small program 1-2 sites. The cost of having separate billing softwares, accounting departments, affiliate tracking software can put you out of business in the 1st month. Most CCBill programs are just like this. They would rather pay in a % of income rather then pay out of pocket every month for these services.

In every vertical of business. Competition is the main reason for companies to increase the technology investment. CCBill really has no competition. They have to be making money hand over fist and I am sure they have the money to create a new system that will not only help its current customer, but give them the ability to gain customers. Until there is someone who invests a shitload of money into creating an amazing new system that includes a great affiliate tracking software similar to nats, with processing capabilities and consistent payments like CCBill. They really have no need to change anything, from there prospective. Maybe they will surprise everyone with a new system soon.

Dankasaur

Spot on Danny my boy.

MainstreamGuy

True dat.

No other program or processor has paid always on time for 10+ years in a row...

Torbe

Yes, Im with CCBILL more than 10 years and always pay, and is good to work with them

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Jel

because most webmasters (much like ccbill) are still stuck in 2003