Looks like Feds may be going after Bitcoin - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 05-15-2013, 08:20 PM

According to AVN:

Two federal warrants in a month seize domestic accounts belonging to Mutum Sigillum LLC., a subsidiary of bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, and mobile payment provider Dwolla.

Read the entire story at:

"Feds Take First Bite of Bitcoin"

xxxcoupon · 05-15-2013, 08:23 PM

From what I understand they are using the fact that Mt Gox owner lied on his banking application stating he was not a money transfer business

With the news breaking today that this happened it did not effect the price of bitcoin in any way at all. It is actually almost still at its high point of the day

Plenty of exchangers are popping up that will take over where mtgox left

I have some coin in mtgox and I'm moving it out now.

xxxcoupon · 05-15-2013, 08:25 PM

Here it is spelled out

A company called "Mt. Gox," is the world's largest bitcoin exchange, and it operates out of Tokyo, Japan. Mt. Gox has a subsidiary company known as "Mutum Sigillum LLC." According to bank records, Mutum Sigillum LLC holds an account at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. The account is held in the business name Mutum Sigillum LLC, which is incorporated in the state of Delaware. According to Wells Fargo Bank records, the account was established on May 20, 2011, with the account number 7657841313 and with a single authorized signer; Mark Karpeles. According to open source information, Karpeles is the owner of Mt. Gox. According to the bank records, Karpeles is also the owner of Mutum Sigillum LLC.

As part of the account opening process, Wells Fargo required Karpeles and Mutum Sigillum LLC to complete a "Money Services Business (MSB) Accounts, Identification of an MSB Customer" form. That document was completed on May 20, 2011, and identified Mutum Sigillum LLC as a business not engaged in money services. The application asks several questions; to include, "Do you deal in or exchange currency for your customer?" and "Does your business accept funds from customers and send the funds based on customers' instructions (Money Transmitter)?" Karpeles answered these questions "no," indicating that Mutum Sigillum LLC does not deal in or exchange money, and that it does not send funds based on customer instructions.

Money transmitting businesses are required by 31 U.S.C. section 5330 to register as such with FinCEN. According to FinCEN records on May 6, 2013, neither Mt. Gox nor the subsidiary, Mutum Sigillum LLC, is registered as a Money Service Business.

Mt. Gox acts as a digital currency exchange where customers open accounts and fund their respective accounts with fiat currency, which is then exchanged into crypto-currency by Mt. Gox; the crypto-currency is known as bitcoin. Fiat currency simply refers to any money that a government has declared to be legal tender. The exchange is bidirectional and allows customers to also exchange bitcoins back into fiat currency, and then withdraw those funds. The exchange of fiat currency and bitcoins incurs a floating rate fee charged by Mt. Gox and is determined by the customer's aggregate amount of funds exchanged on a monthly basis. So, the exchange of a small amount of bitcoin would incur a larger fee than a larger exchange.

2013 · 05-15-2013, 10:12 PM

bitcoin just disappeard of the web

EriktheRabbit · 05-15-2013, 10:17 PM

LOFL

- Guess his origins.

dyna mo · 05-15-2013, 10:21 PM

yup, mission accomplished feds!

going after a foreign entity by seizing another business'es account.

yay, woooo!!!!!!!! success1 wait, no, n/m. not success.

woj · 05-16-2013, 08:07 AM

old news, and bitcoin price barely changed since then..

adultmobile · 05-16-2013, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2013

bitcoin just disappeard of the web

seeandsee · 05-16-2013, 01:25 PM

BC looks stable but same PUMP and DUMP pattern, bc was 280~$ and now is sitting on 115~ for a long time... just waiting for some fresh capital to jump on it again, and same shit will happen on the end...

AND WHERE ARE BC SUPPORTERS NOW? SOME PEOPLE LOST LOTS OF CASH BUYING IT OVER ~150$

Serge Litehead · 05-16-2013, 01:39 PM

"The application asks several questions; to include, "Do you deal in or exchange currency for your customer?" and "Does your business accept funds from customers and send the funds based on customers' instructions (Money Transmitter)?" Karpeles answered these questions "no," indicating that Mutum Sigillum LLC does not deal in or exchange money, and that it does not send funds based on customer instructions."

at the time "bitcoin" didn't fit into any legitimate definition of currency and virtual currency. arguably mtgox at the time of filling the form was engaged in facilitating trade of something on a level of baseball cards. thus there were no funds transmitted based on customer's instructions. now authorities are using it as a wildcard. but what could this action achieve - mtgox gets fined and applies money transmitter requirements further advancing the exchange on US soil?

05-15-2013, 08:20 PM	#1
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	Looks like Feds may be going after Bitcoin According to AVN: Two federal warrants in a month seize domestic accounts belonging to Mutum Sigillum LLC., a subsidiary of bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, and mobile payment provider Dwolla. Read the entire story at: "Feds Take First Bite of Bitcoin"

05-15-2013, 08:23 PM	#2
xxxcoupon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 172	From what I understand they are using the fact that Mt Gox owner lied on his banking application stating he was not a money transfer business With the news breaking today that this happened it did not effect the price of bitcoin in any way at all. It is actually almost still at its high point of the day Plenty of exchangers are popping up that will take over where mtgox left I have some coin in mtgox and I'm moving it out now. __________________ To get listed on our site please email us at [email protected]

05-15-2013, 08:25 PM	#3
xxxcoupon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 172	Here it is spelled out A company called "Mt. Gox," is the world's largest bitcoin exchange, and it operates out of Tokyo, Japan. Mt. Gox has a subsidiary company known as "Mutum Sigillum LLC." According to bank records, Mutum Sigillum LLC holds an account at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. The account is held in the business name Mutum Sigillum LLC, which is incorporated in the state of Delaware. According to Wells Fargo Bank records, the account was established on May 20, 2011, with the account number 7657841313 and with a single authorized signer; Mark Karpeles. According to open source information, Karpeles is the owner of Mt. Gox. According to the bank records, Karpeles is also the owner of Mutum Sigillum LLC. As part of the account opening process, Wells Fargo required Karpeles and Mutum Sigillum LLC to complete a "Money Services Business (MSB) Accounts, Identification of an MSB Customer" form. That document was completed on May 20, 2011, and identified Mutum Sigillum LLC as a business not engaged in money services. The application asks several questions; to include, "Do you deal in or exchange currency for your customer?" and "Does your business accept funds from customers and send the funds based on customers' instructions (Money Transmitter)?" Karpeles answered these questions "no," indicating that Mutum Sigillum LLC does not deal in or exchange money, and that it does not send funds based on customer instructions. Money transmitting businesses are required by 31 U.S.C. section 5330 to register as such with FinCEN. According to FinCEN records on May 6, 2013, neither Mt. Gox nor the subsidiary, Mutum Sigillum LLC, is registered as a Money Service Business. Mt. Gox acts as a digital currency exchange where customers open accounts and fund their respective accounts with fiat currency, which is then exchanged into crypto-currency by Mt. Gox; the crypto-currency is known as bitcoin. Fiat currency simply refers to any money that a government has declared to be legal tender. The exchange is bidirectional and allows customers to also exchange bitcoins back into fiat currency, and then withdraw those funds. The exchange of fiat currency and bitcoins incurs a floating rate fee charged by Mt. Gox and is determined by the customer's aggregate amount of funds exchanged on a monthly basis. So, the exchange of a small amount of bitcoin would incur a larger fee than a larger exchange. __________________ To get listed on our site please email us at [email protected]

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woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	old news, and bitcoin price barely changed since then.. __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

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seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	BC looks stable but same PUMP and DUMP pattern, bc was 280~$ and now is sitting on 115~ for a long time... just waiting for some fresh capital to jump on it again, and same shit will happen on the end... AND WHERE ARE BC SUPPORTERS NOW? SOME PEOPLE LOST LOTS OF CASH BUYING IT OVER ~150$ __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here

05-15-2013, 10:12 PM	#4
2013 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: lollling Posts: 4,390	bitcoin just disappeard of the web

05-15-2013, 10:17 PM	#5
EriktheRabbit So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 422	LOFL - Guess his origins.

05-15-2013, 10:21 PM	#6
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	yup, mission accomplished feds! going after a foreign entity by seizing another business'es account. yay, woooo!!!!!!!! success1 wait, no, n/m. not success.

05-16-2013, 01:39 PM	#10
Serge Litehead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind the scenes Posts: 5,190	"The application asks several questions; to include, "Do you deal in or exchange currency for your customer?" and "Does your business accept funds from customers and send the funds based on customers' instructions (Money Transmitter)?" Karpeles answered these questions "no," indicating that Mutum Sigillum LLC does not deal in or exchange money, and that it does not send funds based on customer instructions." at the time "bitcoin" didn't fit into any legitimate definition of currency and virtual currency. arguably mtgox at the time of filling the form was engaged in facilitating trade of something on a level of baseball cards. thus there were no funds transmitted based on customer's instructions. now authorities are using it as a wildcard. but what could this action achieve - mtgox gets fined and applies money transmitter requirements further advancing the exchange on US soil? __________________ SilverCrocodile.com Adult web design since '05 Last edited by Serge Litehead; 05-16-2013 at 01:40 PM..