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L-Pink · 05-31-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dankasaur

haha, I like the little dog on the ground !!! Love the expression on it's face, that's my kind of dog.

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Walrus · 05-31-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

Chihuahuas as someone mentioned down below do have a highly reported dog bite. I believe they are the highest. And yes, they can do damage, especially to a child. Most owners don't report bites if it happens in their household to one of their own. So you'll never really get the full picture of things. Even friends who get bit by their friend's dog often don't report the bite in fear of alienating their friend.

So what we're left with is mostly data from random dog attacks by people the owner doesn't know. The Pit bull attracts so many unsavory owners. You'll rarely see a thug owning a Poodle. The media also likes to report Pit bull attacks because they know it will make big news. No one cares when a Golden Retriever bites someone. When you see a Pit bull wearing one of those big chains or spiked collars you know there's trouble blooming. Also, there are a high number of reported Golden Retriever bites. This surprises most people. The breed is often considered "America's Dog." But there's been a lot of bad breeding in the past few decades and this has produced a high number of bad blood lines. When you don't breed with good and responsible selection criteria that's what happens.

Dankasaur · 05-31-2013, 11:13 PM

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That is a popular but inaccurate stereotype. Mastiffs were used for that. Pits are classically a working breed and were mostly used to pull fruit carts and had to be extremely friendly because the last thing a guy selling apples off a truck wants is for a customer to get bit. (Also why the staff terrier was used for the RCA logo, and for "Our Gang" comedies, because it was revered as THE family dog the way Goldens are nowadays)

However, I do know a guy that hunts feral pigs in, get this, Orange County Los Angeles, and he trains dogs to bring them down. One dog is trained to chase and corner until the other dog arrives that will bite the face, ears, lips, etc. and hang on for dear life until the guy can catch up and finish off the pig. Those beasts get huge, hairy, and develop tusks and it is not unusual for him to lose dogs. He says it all comes down to the dog, not the breed, about which dogs work better for which usage.

The American Pit Bull Terrier was created by interbreeding Old English Terriers and English Bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness (a quality of fighting dogs or working terriers; eagerness despite the threat of substantive injury) of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[8] These dogs were initially bred in England, and arrived in the United States with the founders. In the U.S., these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions.[8] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[9][10] The United Kennel Club (UKC) was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier, in 1898.[11]

Dankasaur · 05-31-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

haha, I like the little dog on the ground !!! Love the expression on it's face, that's my kind of dog.

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That's my mom's new dog, Dexter. He and my Pit Bull never leave each other's sides. He's the dog my Pit Bull defended against my mom's old Rotweiler when she went mad and tried to kill them both.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-01-2013, 10:14 AM

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LOS ANGELES ? The owner of four pit bulls that killed a woman jogger in a gruesome mauling was charged with murder Thursday in a highly unusual case that strained the memories of law enforcement officials to find comparable uses of the felony murder law.

Alex Jackson, 29, was charged after DNA tests on his dogs found blood on their muzzles and coats that matched that of Pamela Devitt, 63, who died after being bitten 150 to 200 times by his four pit bulls.

"The DNA came back with blood on the dogs that matched the victim's blood," said sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore.

Whitmore and others said it was the first dog mauling case they could recall since the 2001 trial of a San Francisco couple convicted in the death of a neighbor who was mauled by their giant dog.

Marjorie Knoller received a 15-years-to-life sentence after a jury found her guilty of second-degree murder. In rejecting her appeal, the California Supreme Court ruled that Knoller acted with a conscious disregard for human life when her 140-pound Presa Canario escaped and killed Diane Whipple in an apartment building hallway.

Knoller's husband, Noel, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/31...fatal-mauling/

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Sheriff's deputies were searching for as many as four pit bulls that may have been involved in the attack. Officials warned residents to call 911 if they spotted the dogs.

The name of the woman was not immediately released, but ABC7 reported she was 63 years old.

The station also reported that residents have been afraid of wild dogs for some time and that about two weeks ago, a pack of dogs attacked a horse and a woman riding it.

Sheriff's Lt. John Corina told the station a witness saw four or five dogs attacking the woman this morning and honked to try and scare them away. Instead they tried to attack the witness' car -- specifically trying to puncture the car's tires.

The first deputy on scene fired a shot at the dog from about 30 feet away, and the dog ran off into the desert.

The woman had severe injuries and died on the way to the hospital.

Resident Diane Huffman told ABC7 that "it's really scary. I think I'm going to get a gun to protect myself."

A 29-year-old man was arrested tonight at his home in the 37300 block of 115th Street. Eight dogs -- six pit bulls and two mixed ...

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_23209368...-near-palmdale

Yeah, whatever ...

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 10:24 AM

statistics seem to highlight a problem.

38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2012.php

Walrus · 06-01-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

statistics seem to highlight a problem.

dogsbite.org/img/2012-fatality-chart.gif

38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.

dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php

Relying on dogsbite.org for information is like relying on some whacky right winger for news on politics. The owner of that site, Colleen Lynn, is very biased against Pit bulls. She was bitten by a Pit bull in 2007 and that fueled her anger. Her story has changed multiple times on the matter. She bases her information on opinion, and not on fact. She is a nobody, and is not educated in canine behavior.

dyna mo · 06-02-2013, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Relying on dogsbite.org for information is like relying on some whacky right winger for news on politics.

her facts matches wiki facts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_d...ported_in_2012

her facts = the national canine research center's facts

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...ed-fatalities/

the fact is pitbulls account for more dog bit fatalities than any other dog.

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Dankasaur · 06-02-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the fact is pitbulls account for more dog bit fatalities than any other dog.

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And black people account for more murders and robberies than any other race, should we start putting black people down when we see them out and about? Dogs are no different.

dyna mo · 06-02-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dankasaur

And black people account for more murders and robberies than any other race, should we start putting black people down when we see them out and about? Dogs are no different.

certainly you can't be this myopic. when did i sy anything about putting anything down? when did i say anything about it being solely the dog?

the fact is black on black murders do account for more murders.

the fact is pitbulls do account for more dog bite fatalities than other breeds.

now you can bury your head in the sand and ignore that fact or you can realize it's a fact.

dogs are no different than people?

dyna mo · 06-02-2013, 08:19 AM

3rd post in this thread.

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you're joking right? that shit stain drug dealer had 1/2 a dozen pitbulls and due to his negligience, 4 of them got free and mauled a little old lady to death and went berserk going after a cop or 2.

umm, a murder charge is the least that fucker should get.

Dankasaur · 06-02-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

certainly you can't be this myopic. when did i sy anything about putting anything down? when did i say anything about it being solely the dog?

the fact is black on black murders do account for more murders.

the fact is pitbulls do account for more dog bite fatalities than other breeds.

now you can bury your head in the sand and ignore that fact or you can realize it's a fact.

dogs are no different than people?

My bad, I mistook your response as being one of those ignorant people who use biased opinions as facts against a dog who yeah, is gonna do damage when it bites, but is no worse than any other dog.

I'm hungover, give me a break.

dyna mo · 06-02-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dankasaur

My bad, I mistook your response as being one of those ignorant people who use biased opinions as facts against a dog who yeah, is gonna do damage when it bites, but is no worse than any other dog.

I'm hungover, give me a break.

hey no worries. the thing to me that is important is realizing that pitbulls do rise to the top of that list and if folks don't sort out the root of the problem and address it, there will be more misunderstandings and shit surrounding the dog.

Dankasaur · 06-02-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

hey no worries. the thing to me that is important is realizing that pitbulls do rise to the top of that list and if folks don't sort out the root of the problem and address it, there will be more misunderstandings and shit surrounding the dog.

Unfortunately the stereotype is set in, just like it was in the previous decades for other dogs, the only way to change is to educate the ignorant one at a time, and punish abusive owners who shouldn't have the dogs.

Walrus · 06-02-2013, 04:57 PM

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Relying on dogsbite.org for information is like relying on some whacky right winger for news on politics.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

her facts matches wiki facts

her facts = the national canine research center's facts

the fact is pitbulls account for more dog bit fatalities than any other dog./

I was speaking of your chosen website of referring data from. I wasn't disputing the numbers she has compared with wikipedia. The problem with this is these statistics on dog bites and fatalities are skewed. That's because any dog that looks like a Pit bull will be labeled as a Pit bull. So even if a dog that was a Labrador/Pit/Chow but resembles a Pit bull they will write it down as a Pit bull.

It's funny that you should now refer to The National Canine Research Council. That website is the opposite of the other one... it is very reliable with accurate data. But you need to dig deeper into that site. Numbers don't mean a lot to me. Research does. Take a look at the Council's The Pit Bull Placebo. It's quite a long read, but is well worth it.

Jel · 06-02-2013, 05:11 PM

The main problem is people who think dogs are human-like, and have human traits, and are not dumb animals. Sure, you can train a dumb animal, but it will always be a dumb animal. And I say that as a dog lover.

dyna mo · 06-02-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Walrus

I was speaking of your chosen website of referring data from. I wasn't disputing the numbers she has compared with wikipedia. The problem with this is these statistics on dog bites and fatalities are skewed. That's because any dog that looks like a Pit bull will be labeled as a Pit bull. So even if a dog that was a Labrador/Pit/Chow but resembles a Pit bull they will write it down as a Pit bull.

It's funny that you should now refer to The National Canine Research Council. That website is the opposite of the other one... it is very reliable with accurate data. But you need to dig deeper into that site. Numbers don't mean a lot to me. Research does. Take a look at the Council's The Pit Bull Placebo. It's quite a long read, but is well worth it.

it's not me that's the concern, i've owned a pitbull, tj hooker, cool dog.

i was trying to highlight that people glob onto statistics and it will get to the point that that statistic will doom pit bulls.

it's a big deal right now in los angeles area, that woman was the 2nd woman recently to be attacked and killed by pit bulls.

the dog will be dealt with by the masses if pit bull owners don't get their shit together and sort out that statistic.

60% of fatalaties but only 5% of the dog population? see what i am trying to get at here?

bye bye pit bulls.

Walrus · 06-03-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's not me that's the concern, i've owned a pitbull, tj hooker, cool dog.

it's a big deal right now in los angeles area, that woman was the 2nd woman recently to be attacked and killed by pit bulls.

bye bye pit bulls.

Sorry, I didn't realize your point of view. It came across as a bit ambivalent. I wasn't aware of the LA attack. I just looked it up. This story here from early May reads: "The attack marked the first fatal attack in L.A. County's history, according to ABC7." Was there another one that just happened then? That is pretty aweful what happened to that woman. Horrible. No one deserves that.

The profile of the owner is typical, though. Says he is growing marijuana in the backyard and has 8 other dogs. And there's been complaints already about him. They need to create laws where if you own Pit bulls you need to prove that you've been through extensive obedience training. They also should put a limit on how many Pits you can own.

Evil Chris · 06-10-2014, 11:06 AM

This story made me think of this thread again.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...607-story.html

So it is the dog or the owner? I'm not sure anymore. I'm a dog lover for sure, but why is it so often this one breed?

Jesse1984 · 06-10-2014, 11:20 AM

It is the owner 100%. I own a pitbull and most of my friends do as well and they are the biggest goofballs and sweethearts. Mine personally is aggressive towards other dogs, but only when we're in the few blocks around my house and it's a territory issue. Once we're away from the house he's just interested in other dogs like any other dog.

He's never attacked another dog and he was actually attacked by a bigger dog one day when someone came up behind us with no warning while we were waiting to cross the street. However little dogs ALWAYS act aggressive towards him and try and attack. I had to punt a little lap dog the other day cause it came at us and the owner had it off the leash. If I didn't kick it away my dog definitely would have finished the job.

I've been chased by a rottie when I was a teen because it thought I was coming on it's property, I've been chased by MANY small dogs while biking, but NEVER had an issue with pit bulls and I've been around dozens.

Fuck bad dog owners.

upforit_sarah · 06-10-2014, 11:20 AM

Any dog can be raised to be sweet and loving, or neglected (or spoiled) enough to attack. Small dogs are usually the worst offenders, but when a chihuahua attacks, you push it away and put up a baby gate when company comes over. Pit bulls are often the sweetest dogs, however their size and build are menacing which leads people to be afraid. Also, when a large and physically intimidating dog attacks it is much more likely to do major damage. I wish I could have a pit, but they are forbidden by my HOA and home owners' insurance.

Tom_PM · 06-10-2014, 11:30 AM

It's 100% the breed and not the owner. That's why pit bull's are responsible for fully 70% of fatal dog bites. Think it's not then you're first in line to be the next "shocked" owner or parent. Play with fire and you're closer to a burn than one who doesn't. Stats are all there for the open minded.

PR_Glen · 06-10-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JesseFame

It is the owner 100%. I own a pitbull and most of my friends do as well and they are the biggest goofballs and sweethearts. Mine personally is aggressive towards other dogs, but only when we're in the few blocks around my house and it's a territory issue. Once we're away from the house he's just interested in other dogs like any other dog.

He's never attacked another dog and he was actually attacked by a bigger dog one day when someone came up behind us with no warning while we were waiting to cross the street. However little dogs ALWAYS act aggressive towards him and try and attack. I had to punt a little lap dog the other day cause it came at us and the owner had it off the leash. If I didn't kick it away my dog definitely would have finished the job.

I've been chased by a rottie when I was a teen because it thought I was coming on it's property, I've been chased by MANY small dogs while biking, but NEVER had an issue with pit bulls and I've been around dozens.

Fuck bad dog owners.

yet another example of a dangerous animal.. congrats you are part of the problem

owners can't fix GENERATIONS of breeding for violence and aggression and lack of breed standards. no matter how good the trainers are.. and believe me, i know some of the best in our country and in the US...

JSWENSON · 06-10-2014, 01:23 PM

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The main difference is that pitbulls have been bred for generations to be fighting dogs, mean and viscous where any akc breed has been breeding dogs that fit high temperament standards for that same length of time if not longer. So you can have a good and responsible owner who just happens to own a dog with violent tendencies hard wired and it would be only a matter of time and situation it would be in a dangerous situation, or at least a much higher chance of it.

great danes, wolfhounds, akitas, bull mastiffs.. all GIGANTIC dogs, strong dogs, even fast dogs yet because they have been bred for over 100 years being easy going teddy bears (around people at least) that they are far far less likely to attack like that.

If pitbull owners took some more responsibility and ONLY bred to other dogs that had exceptional temperaments then they would slowly become just as safe to be around, but that has yet to happen, and asshole owners like the one mentioned don't help the cause.

I know this is an old ass thread but pits were bred SPECIFICALLY to have a great temperament towards humans.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

fuzebox · 06-10-2014, 01:28 PM

The demand for pittbulls is very high (guard dogs, fighting, or otherwise), and their breeding is out of control. California alone has a massive population of rescue/shelter pittbulls who have been abandoned or abused. Other comparable sized breeds may be less likely to have such a troubled history.

Pittbulls are only the most recent headline-generating media frenzy target though. Before pittbulls it was dobermans, german shepherds, rottweilers, mastiffs, dalmatians, and even chow chows.

Another issue with headline-generating media frenzy is the misidentification of the breed. "Labrador-Shepherd-Terrier Mix bites child" won't generate the clicks.

Find the pittbull: http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_find_the_pitbull.pdf

(hint: there's only one)

Tam · 06-10-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

Just being devil's advocate here. I'd like to hear what people think. I just read this article and it's kinda crazy to think that someone can get charged with murder based on their dog's actions.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,3599527.story

My oldest daughter got attacked by a Poodle and my youngest son was attacked by a very small chihuahua mix - they just didn't maul them or rip off body parts - but they are equally as mean - just smaller scale. I actually hate small dogs, yappy little fuckers. lol

bronco67 · 06-10-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

Just being devil's advocate here. I'd like to hear what people think. I just read this article and it's kinda crazy to think that someone can get charged with murder based on their dog's actions.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,3599527.story

It is the dog...and it isn't. Pitbulls are more likely to be an aggressive dog, which is why they need a good dog person to raise them. Same goes (to a lesser degree) for Rotweillers, Chows and German Shepherds. They need a strong leader or there could be trouble.

My lab plays with a pitbull quite often, and he's a sweetheart, but so is the owner -- and the owner also knows his shit when it comes to raising a good dog. Some douche kid with his ballcap twisted sideways wants a pit for one reason....to look like a bad ass.

1215 · 06-10-2014, 03:03 PM

whatever aggressive breed bites things and won't let go - sucks.

those taco bell dogs suck too. they're actually worse than pit bulls. ever look into a taco bell dogs eyes and not want to punch it?

mineistaken · 06-10-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

Maybe because that kind of owners are less likely to buy a poodle and most likely to buy a pitbull?

mineistaken · 06-10-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseFame

It is the owner 100%.

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

It's 100% the breed and not the owner.

No offense, but claims like that are ignorant.
Part of the issue is dog and part of the issue is the owner. Who knows 90/10, 80/20, 70/30, 20/80, 10/90 or anything else. Once thing for certain - definitely not 100/0 or 0/100.

candyflip · 06-10-2014, 04:42 PM

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ever look into a taco bell dogs eyes and not want to punch it?

Owned on and loved the shit out of the little fucker. He nipped at one of my toddlers and had a new home within 24 hours.

StinkyPink · 06-10-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

If pitbull owners took some more responsibility and ONLY bred to other dogs that had exceptional temperaments then they would slowly become just as safe to be around, but that has yet to happen, and asshole owners like the one mentioned don't help the cause.

They did, and they are called American Bully...

http://theabkcdogs.org/

UKC actually just accepted the American Bully as it's own Breed Standard the end of last year, so technically, they are no longer Pit Bulls, which is what they would be registered as for the last 30 years.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breed.../AmericanBully

Mine is Rocuby, on the left...

MMarko · 06-11-2014, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

It's just really about higher probability that breeds like pit bulls will attract persons with deviant behaviour than poodles. Hence it's the owner not the dog. That kind of person will likely abuse, ignore and mistreat any kind of animals...

Mutt · 06-11-2014, 02:36 AM

I'm a huge dog lover but people who deny there is a problem with 'pitbulls' are disingenuous at best. There are many who have been bred to fight, of course not a high percentage of all pitbulls, are dangerous. Just like guns, in the hands of responsible intelligent people, pitbulls are fine. But we all know how many white and black scumbags have pitbulls.

A solution could be to regulate the breeding, sales and ownership of pitbulls. I think that's silly. Let the breed die out, don't take them away from current owners of course.

People who love dogs, don't need a pitbull, there are hundreds of breeds big and small to choose from. If you're going to cry about the disappearance of a dog breed you're looney tunes. Not to sound too much like the Squealer but dogs have no clue what breed they are, they don't even know what they look like, dogs look in the mirror and they don't recognize that dog in the mirror is themselves. You aren't letting your dog down by letting his breed disappear, he could not give a shit about what breed he is. He does not care about his legacy, all he wants is friendship, some play/exercise, food and water.

MMarko · 06-11-2014, 02:57 AM

So you regulate pitbull breeding and eventually breed disappears. You think that another breed won't go same route as pitbull? Idiots will adapt to regulations and breed another types for same purpose.

More would be accomplished if state body checks, investigates and if needed fines / charges people reponsible in case there is animal abuse going on.

pimpmaster9000 · 06-11-2014, 03:17 AM

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If the argument is that it's "not the dog, it's the owner" then why don't I hear more stories of poodles attacking/mauling/killing etc?

funny you should mention poodles they are #1 on the list for biting humans...small neurotic dogs like to bite more than big stable ones...pit bulls were actually place 30 something...

now as far as fatal attacks go they are high on the list...

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Just being devil's advocate here. I'd like to hear what people think. I just read this article and it's kinda crazy to think that someone can get charged with murder based on their dog's actions.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,3599527.story

then its crazy to charge somebody with murder based on their guns actions...hell Ill go buy a crate full of Glock-s and leave them around children and get pissed off when something happens

the owner IS responsible for EVERYTHING dangerous that he does...it is up to the owner to make sure nothing happens...its like saying "its not my fault the car hit the pedestrians while i was speeding"...

its like this: dog shits on the side walk = its the owners fault for not picking it up

its ALWAYS the owners fault plain and simple...

NETbilling · 06-16-2014, 10:55 PM

Attention all you pit bull defenders:

Please help....

https://www.facebook.com/victoriasvictories

Thanks, Mitch

Casino Cash Ginny · 06-17-2014, 01:36 AM

I have owned pit bulls in the past. The pit bull was created by mixing various bull breeds with the terrier breed. It made a very tenacious mix. My last pit was like lassie. She was amazing. I was over the animal aggression tho. I now own an English bulldog. He is like a German Shepard shoved into the body of a beagle. This dog I have also had bite both of my children. The 1st bite I consider mutual combat and the other was because my oldest son screamed and he startled the dog. I never had my pit bite a person and my English bullie doesn't have animal aggression. I now keep the dog in a locked kennel unless I am supervising everyone together and have gone 2yrs without anymore issues.

Casino Cash Ginny · 06-17-2014, 01:42 AM

The Diane whipple case evolved de presa canario not pit bulls

VikingMan · 06-17-2014, 07:04 AM

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You're an idiot.

?Pit bull? is not a breed, but a ?type? that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim ?Pit bulls? are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds of dogs together, then comparing those statistics to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds. There are currently 25 breeds that are commonly considered a ?pit bull?.

Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are human aggressive by nature.

Fact: Studies by the Center for Disease Control have proven that no one breed of dog is inherently vicious. The CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, NOT breed, is the number one cause of dog bites.

Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are inherently vicious.

Fact: No more vicious than Golden Retrievers, Beagles, or other popular ?family? dogs. In a recent testing done by The American Canine Temperament Testing Society (ATT), pit bulls achieved a passing rate of 83.9%, passing 4th from the highest of 122 breeds. That?s better than Beagles, passing at 78.2 and Golden Retrievers passing at 83.2%. The average passing rate for ALL breeds is 77%.

Myth: Pit Bulls or Pit Bull type dogs are responsible for most fatal dog attacks.

Fact: From 1965 ? 2001, there have been at least 36 different breeds/types of dog that have been involved in a fatal attack in the United States. (This number rises to at least 52 breeds/types when surveying fatal attacks worldwide).

Read More...

Here's a recent picture of my "vicious Pit Bull" "attacking" a less than 1 month old colt.

This dog is 4 years old and has been raised properly and in a loving home... He's only ever attacked ANYTHING once, and that was my moms adopted from humane society half Rottweiler half Shepard dog who turned on him and attempted to kill him and another dog. And even then, he only attacked back enough to defend himself, she only had a few cuts on her from him, while he was almost clinging on to life.

Love that pic! Looks more like a mastiff than a pit bull though.

TurboAngel · 06-17-2014, 07:55 AM

I love mine. My Best friend is a dog trainer so she has manners. I don't allow her around kids and we go to group where all the dog's my bf have trained come together in a huge park.

TurboAngel · 06-17-2014, 08:03 AM

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I love mine. My Best friend is a dog trainer so she has manners. I don't allow her around kids and we go to group where all the dog's my bf have trained come together in a huge park.

Only bad thing about those pics is they are old. She weighed about 30 pounds now she's 68 pounds.

MediaGuy · 06-17-2014, 10:56 AM

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Sadly this is only partially true.

I have trained dogs for more than 15 years in basic ob. as well as S and R and attack for protection and for ring competitions.

The only dogs I have ever seen that go nuts and attack with no apparent provocation is Pit Bulls.

My son is constantly around many different breeds of attack dogs and has never been hurt. But I wont let him near a pit as I have seen them attack for nothing at all.

Actually I've seen a Dalmatian go bananas for no reason (took a chunk out of my friend's belly) and a Doberman, who dragged an old woman by her fur coat down the sidewalk.

My pitbull Nero only once snapped at a bicycle a kid was riding because she was deliberately skidding sideways at him, spooking him with the thing, and then another time at someone who was literally attacking a friend - yelling and shoving. But snapped, no biting or attacking.

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Originally Posted by wizzart

I have pit bull and that is great breed.

"it's the owner" in 100% cases because every pit bull can be like a cat.

My Pit was raised with cats, his current buddy is Batman. They sleep butt-to-butt, and chase each other around the house when they play. I don't know if it's a breed thing or just Nero, but he's curious like a cat as well, always checks mirrors in case they're windows or passages, knows his left from right, etc...

Some stats show more pitbull mortalities from attacks, but less actual attacks from pitbulls.

I tend to agree it's the owner.

Recently a little girl was attacked by "A Dog" according to the headline - no breed specified.

This was just after another little girl was attacked by "A PitBull".

Pit Bulls make good headlines. Hundreds of attacks occur every day, but the pitbulls make the headlines.

For some reason, when it's a Poodle or a German Shepherd, it either doesn't make headlines or the breed just isn't mentioned.

:D

NETbilling · 06-20-2014, 12:17 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.950404

MrGusMuller · 06-20-2014, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebel D

But i must say it was the retarded owner i blame

80% owner fault
15% who got bitten fault
5% dogs fault

(not saying that it was your wife fault)

Evil Chris · 06-20-2014, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Find the pittbull: http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_find_the_pitbull.pdf

(hint: there's only one)

#3

or maybe #15.

_Richard_ · 06-20-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGusMuller

80% owner fault
15% who got bitten fault
5% dogs fault

(not saying that it was your wife fault)

always exceptions however

WarChild · 06-20-2014, 09:46 AM

What is funny about the Internet is that everybody is an expert and it's mostly based on their own (limited) personal experiences. If only there were experts, who looked at all of the data and analyzed it without emotion and initial bias. Oh wait, there are. Namely the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Humane Association. Don't be fooled in to thinking only American experts think this way. It's pretty much the universal opinion of professionals in most countries.

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BSL Does Not Work

While supporters of BSL argue that the only way to be safe from dog bites is to eradicate “dangerous breeds” from the community, there is little evidence that supports BSL as an effective means of reducing dog bites and dog attacks. On the contrary, studies have shown that it is not the breeds themselves that are dangerous, but unfavorable situations that are creating dangerous dogs. Often, the very research that some cite as “support” for BSL actually argues for alternative, more effective means...
http://www.americanhumane.org/animal...gislation.html

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Any dog can bite, regardless of its breed, and more often people are bitten by dogs they know. It’s not the dog’s breed that determines risk -- it’s the dog’s behavior, general size, number of dogs involved and the vulnerability of the person bitten that determines whether or not a dog or dogs will cause a serious bite injury. Dogs can be aggressive for all sorts of reasons. A dog that’s bitten once can bite again, and a dog that’s never bitten could still bite.
https://www.avma.org/public/Pages/Wh...he-Answer.aspx

The experts have spoken. Everything else is just your layman's opinion and really should be treated as such. No matter how many articles on dog attacks you dig up and post.

WarChild · 06-20-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

Attention all you pit bull defenders:

Please help....

https://www.facebook.com/victoriasvictories

Thanks, Mitch

Hey Mitch saw your post and I feel really bad for the little girl. I went to go help as per your request but I see God already has this one covered!

timmyc38 · 06-20-2014, 09:52 AM

pitbulls get a bad rap - I have one, and she is the sweetest dog ever

06-10-2014, 11:06 AM	#69
Evil Chris OG Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3rd from the Sun Posts: 13,233	This story made me think of this thread again. http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...607-story.html So it is the dog or the owner? I'm not sure anymore. I'm a dog lover for sure, but why is it so often this one breed? __________________ It PAYZE to post on GFY chris at payze.com \| Skype chriswrp

06-10-2014, 11:30 AM	#72
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	It's 100% the breed and not the owner. That's why pit bull's are responsible for fully 70% of fatal dog bites. Think it's not then you're first in line to be the next "shocked" owner or parent. Play with fire and you're closer to a burn than one who doesn't. Stats are all there for the open minded. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar. Last edited by Tom_PM; 06-10-2014 at 11:31 AM..

06-10-2014, 03:03 PM	#78
1215 Boner Party Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,376	whatever aggressive breed bites things and won't let go - sucks. those taco bell dogs suck too. they're actually worse than pit bulls. ever look into a taco bell dogs eyes and not want to punch it? __________________ Best Hosting

06-11-2014, 02:36 AM	#84
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I'm a huge dog lover but people who deny there is a problem with 'pitbulls' are disingenuous at best. There are many who have been bred to fight, of course not a high percentage of all pitbulls, are dangerous. Just like guns, in the hands of responsible intelligent people, pitbulls are fine. But we all know how many white and black scumbags have pitbulls. A solution could be to regulate the breeding, sales and ownership of pitbulls. I think that's silly. Let the breed die out, don't take them away from current owners of course. People who love dogs, don't need a pitbull, there are hundreds of breeds big and small to choose from. If you're going to cry about the disappearance of a dog breed you're looney tunes. Not to sound too much like the Squealer but dogs have no clue what breed they are, they don't even know what they look like, dogs look in the mirror and they don't recognize that dog in the mirror is themselves. You aren't letting your dog down by letting his breed disappear, he could not give a shit about what breed he is. He does not care about his legacy, all he wants is friendship, some play/exercise, food and water. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-11-2014, 02:57 AM	#85
MMarko Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 160	So you regulate pitbull breeding and eventually breed disappears. You think that another breed won't go same route as pitbull? Idiots will adapt to regulations and breed another types for same purpose. More would be accomplished if state body checks, investigates and if needed fines / charges people reponsible in case there is animal abuse going on. __________________ dlXer - web design, developing, managed hosting, website optimizations

06-01-2013, 10:24 AM	#56
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,340	statistics seem to highlight a problem. 38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...ities-2012.php

06-02-2013, 05:11 PM	#66
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	The main problem is people who think dogs are human-like, and have human traits, and are not dumb animals. Sure, you can train a dumb animal, but it will always be a dumb animal. And I say that as a dog lover.

06-10-2014, 11:20 AM	#70
Jesse1984 Web Viking Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Francisco Posts: 562	It is the owner 100%. I own a pitbull and most of my friends do as well and they are the biggest goofballs and sweethearts. Mine personally is aggressive towards other dogs, but only when we're in the few blocks around my house and it's a territory issue. Once we're away from the house he's just interested in other dogs like any other dog. He's never attacked another dog and he was actually attacked by a bigger dog one day when someone came up behind us with no warning while we were waiting to cross the street. However little dogs ALWAYS act aggressive towards him and try and attack. I had to punt a little lap dog the other day cause it came at us and the owner had it off the leash. If I didn't kick it away my dog definitely would have finished the job. I've been chased by a rottie when I was a teen because it thought I was coming on it's property, I've been chased by MANY small dogs while biking, but NEVER had an issue with pit bulls and I've been around dozens. Fuck bad dog owners.

06-10-2014, 11:20 AM	#71
upforit_sarah Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Sunny California Posts: 65	Any dog can be raised to be sweet and loving, or neglected (or spoiled) enough to attack. Small dogs are usually the worst offenders, but when a chihuahua attacks, you push it away and put up a baby gate when company comes over. Pit bulls are often the sweetest dogs, however their size and build are menacing which leads people to be afraid. Also, when a large and physically intimidating dog attacks it is much more likely to do major damage. I wish I could have a pit, but they are forbidden by my HOA and home owners' insurance.

06-10-2014, 01:28 PM	#75
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,111	The demand for pittbulls is very high (guard dogs, fighting, or otherwise), and their breeding is out of control. California alone has a massive population of rescue/shelter pittbulls who have been abandoned or abused. Other comparable sized breeds may be less likely to have such a troubled history. Pittbulls are only the most recent headline-generating media frenzy target though. Before pittbulls it was dobermans, german shepherds, rottweilers, mastiffs, dalmatians, and even chow chows. Another issue with headline-generating media frenzy is the misidentification of the breed. "Labrador-Shepherd-Terrier Mix bites child" won't generate the clicks. Find the pittbull: http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_find_the_pitbull.pdf (hint: there's only one)

06-16-2014, 10:55 PM	#87
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06-17-2014, 01:36 AM	#88
Casino Cash Ginny Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 95	I have owned pit bulls in the past. The pit bull was created by mixing various bull breeds with the terrier breed. It made a very tenacious mix. My last pit was like lassie. She was amazing. I was over the animal aggression tho. I now own an English bulldog. He is like a German Shepard shoved into the body of a beagle. This dog I have also had bite both of my children. The 1st bite I consider mutual combat and the other was because my oldest son screamed and he startled the dog. I never had my pit bite a person and my English bullie doesn't have animal aggression. I now keep the dog in a locked kennel unless I am supervising everyone together and have gone 2yrs without anymore issues. __________________ Casino Cash Crew - Coming this summer. We have marketing creatives designed for adult sites. Sign up for notification of the launch.

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06-17-2014, 07:55 AM	#91
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	I love mine. My Best friend is a dog trainer so she has manners. I don't allow her around kids and we go to group where all the dog's my bf have trained come together in a huge park.

06-20-2014, 12:17 AM	#94
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06-20-2014, 09:52 AM	#100
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