Here is why most adult paysite affiliates are broke

[signupdamnit]

2013:

1:2000
1% ctr

1 sale in 200,000 impressions

1999:

1:100
10% ctr

1 sale in 1,000 impressions

That's all.

[Due]

Great now that we know the problem it can be fixed, it will be fixed in the next update

[Dankasaur]

Let me guess, this is all the tube sites fault, right?

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Due

Great now that we know the problem it can be fixed, it will be fixed in the next update

I wish. 78

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Let me guess, this is all the tube sites fault, right?

Piracy played a big part in it. But that isn't the point of the post.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Let me guess, this is all the tube sites fault, right?

It's not?

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's not?

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

Not one guy I know pays for porn. Figure out why for yourself.


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[Creatine]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows the traffic is not converting well.

That's a given, it doesn't explain why it's not converting.

[AllAboutCams]

My ratio for my best sponsor this year is 1:254

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

They are if they stole mom and pop's content.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

Walmart does not give away stolen goods for free.

Fucking fake nick retard.

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

Actually it kind of is. Small shops cannot compete with WallMart low fucking prices.
WallMart is known for treating employees like shit.

Many times Employees have to work on holidays etc.


Walmart Heirs Own More Wealth Than Bottom 40% of Americans.
That pretty much says it. It's fucked up.

Yes WallMart is to blame for small shops dying. However it's just business. You can't blame them for being on top.

[NaughtyRob]

And how many sites were there in 1999, hundreds? Now there are millions.

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by Creatine

However it's just business. You can't blame them for being on top.

That's what I was waiting for.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Dankasaur

Is it Walmart's fault that a small mom and pop shop is losing business?

its just not a very good analogy. mom and pop stores would be small paysites, walmart would be a big cheaper paysite

to get stuff from walmart you still have to buy...

[Tom_PM]

In 1999 I bought a membership because I couldn't find free porn in the entire first few pages of search engine results for "free porn". I'm being literal here. Each result was a paysite or what used to be called a circle jerk or similar setup. Where each page was at "best" (for free porn lookers) a full page ad that might not be censored. There would be several links to other pages which were just more FPA's and similar sales pages. You could join a paysite to see naked pictures, or you could keep looking and have a hard time finding. Not gonna happen ever again.

[The Porn Nerd]

Good-bye free ride, hello WORK.
Good-bye lazy losers, hello commited business people.
Good-bye free blowjobs for links, hello paid blowjobs for links.

[seeandsee]

it's time fault

[SwirlsGirl]

It seems we have a difference of opinion as to why most adult affiliates are broke!

see article....

http://www.oregonherald.com/n/specia...n-or-fraud.htm


remember don't blame middle men for anything....blame yourself and others for everything

that is all

[Dankasaur]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Good-bye free ride, hello WORK.
Good-bye lazy losers, hello commited business people.
Good-bye free blowjobs for links, hello paid blowjobs for links.

[CurrentlySober]

The problem is, you are promoting the WRONG STUFF...

CLICK HERE FOR PROOF

I've been trying to tell you this for years, but very few have listened...

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

In 1999 I bought a membership because I couldn't find free porn in the entire first few pages of search engine results for "free porn". I'm being literal here. Each result was a paysite or what used to be called a circle jerk or similar setup. Where each page was at "best" (for free porn lookers) a full page ad that might not be censored. There would be several links to other pages which were just more FPA's and similar sales pages. You could join a paysite to see naked pictures, or you could keep looking and have a hard time finding. Not gonna happen ever again.

Never heard of Usenet newsgroups in 1999?

[EddyTheDog]

1999 was better than that - If I got ratios that bad back then I moved...

I had an AVS site about 'Gay Wrestling' - I fed it from free sites etc. - If I had 1K hits to a feeder site I would expect 1:5 click through - Then 1:20 to convert from that.....

That's 10 sales per K - I am not exaggerating - Good times...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

It seems we have a difference of opinion as to why most adult affiliates are broke!

see article....

http://www.oregonherald.com/n/specia...n-or-fraud.htm


remember don't blame middle men for anything....blame yourself and others for everything

that is all

that article is the most poorly written article i've read in a while. i tried to read it but
it's gibberish nonsense.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Not one guy I know pays for porn. Figure out why for yourself.


.

Yep, cause everyone admits it right, lol

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is the most poorly written article i've read in a while. i tried to read it but
it's gibberish nonsense.

It gave me a head ache as well - Nice pic of the Visa CEO though:

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Good-bye free ride, hello WORK.
Good-bye lazy losers, hello commited business people.
Good-bye free blowjobs for links, hello paid blowjobs for links.

It's worse than that, MisterPeabody. Notice I said affiliates. As a sponsor you have a slightly different reality. You will tend to convert better as you don't have to worry about cookie tracking. You might still be an affiliate but it's mostly your own member area. You have all these tubes where you can still toss up a video or two and make a few million impressions and eek out a couple sales a day from it.

The affiliate on the other hand with those type of numbers is facing a different reality. That's 200,000 page views to make one sale on their own site. Even if the affiliate scales and is somehow able to generate five times the productive traffic that's just 5 sales. Now consider what the bandwidth bill for that depending on the type of site.In many cases it isn't viable. If you, Mr. Peabody, get 200,000 page views to your front page otoh then you're probably filthy rich. If the affiliate only does that then they are eating Top Ramen and living in a cardboard box. See the difference?

If an affiliate didn't work at least ten times harder than they did a decade ago there is no way they could still be full time in the industry. It's not a question of being lazy. My point is that the model has changed. In many cases it's just no longer viable to be an affiliate for a paysite. Sure it can be good bonus money. Sure there might still be some good sites out there which do really good but as far as being the main business model those times are long gone unless you're prepared to throw tremendous amounts of traffic at the problem and overcome it with raw numbers.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Yep, cause everyone admits it right, lol

I knew there was trouble when in 2007 and 2008 acquaintances who did not know that I was a porn affiliate started talking about redtube as opposed to MyFreePaysite. If I mentioned Pornhub today I hate to admit it but even my 65 year old parents would know what it is and more than likely they have been there too!

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

My ratio for my best sponsor this year is 1:254

You do cams mainly, right? I'm talking about pay site affiliates. There are other models which are still going strong where you aren't joining paysite affiliate programs and being paid per membership.

But take your total net profit within the last 90 days, divide by 90, convert it to cents, and then divide that amount by the average amount of pageviews hitting your sites a day. What is that number? It's one of the few numbers which matter and it's where reality is shown.

[Godsmack]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

The problem is, you are promoting the WRONG STUFF...

CLICK HERE FOR PROOF

I've been trying to tell you this for years, but very few have listened...

Poop converts like shit!

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is the most poorly written article i've read in a while. i tried to read it but
it's gibberish nonsense.

Gibberish nonsense really?

after reading the article I can *clearly* see why you would prefer to call it gibberish...

You can read 8 pages of gfy troll drama and thats suitable literature

however a newspaper article about rampant billing fraud is gibberish.....middlemen and their worshipers where would we be without them

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Good-bye free ride, hello WORK.
Good-bye lazy losers, hello commited business people.
Good-bye free blowjobs for links, hello paid blowjobs for links.

[signupdamnit]

I posted this because I see a few people (affiliates) who really seem to be struggling. I'm not going to name them but they are saying things like they are selling possessions and stuff to get by. That's just sad. Being a pornsite affiliate for some has become like a get rich quick scheme where some sponsors are trying to profit off of your gullibility. I know how it is. You think things like if only I could triple my traffic or work a little more.

No. It's the model itself. The math doesn't lie. It has no agenda.

So try a different model. A winning one. There other things to do both in adult and outside of adult besides selling someone else's paysite.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

It seems we have a difference of opinion as to why most adult affiliates are broke!

see article....

http://www.oregonherald.com/n/specia...n-or-fraud.htm


remember don't blame middle men for anything....blame yourself and others for everything

that is all

It looks like it could be a nice read. Reading it now. Thanks. I don't know if anything would surprise me anymore. Not after seeing that agamegirlz.com or whatever site a couple months ago with those cross sales.

[WarChild]

1:2000?

Have you considered the possibility that you just suck?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Yep, cause everyone admits it right, lol

They readily admit what free tube sites they frequent yes.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Gibberish nonsense really?

after reading the article I can *clearly* see why you would prefer to call it gibberish...

You can read 8 pages of gfy troll drama and thats suitable literature

however a newspaper article about rampant billing fraud is gibberish.....middlemen and their worshipers where would we be without them

next time, just tell us you wrote it so we won't waste time. no need to make it out like it's a news article.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1:2000?

Have you considered the possibility that you just suck?

I guess it would be 1:200 if I went by Nasty Dollar's stats, right? ;)

You are missing the point. The ratio is a small part of the reason for the change. Compare visits or pageviews / revenue or profit.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

It seems we have a difference of opinion as to why most adult affiliates are broke!

see article....

http://www.oregonherald.com/n/specia...n-or-fraud.htm


remember don't blame middle men for anything....blame yourself and others for everything

that is all

It was a good read. A little unorthodox but still good. It makes me think that, yes, I doubt Visa and Mastercard just decided to come up with these fees one day without at least meeting with the major adult processors. The processors in turn may have consulted their biggest customers. A large company doing millions a year (premium tube?) doesn't care about some $500 fee. A small pay site operator might. For the large pay site maybe the $500 fee is great because it helps to further eliminate the competition too.

It always seemed ironic to me that for the most part the people doing the shady things like banging cards are at the top. And the regulations and fees primarily hurt those at the bottom or middle of the industry when they were never the problem in the first place.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It was a good read. A little unorthodox but still good. It makes me think that, yes, I doubt Visa and Mastercard just decided to come up with these fees one day without at least meeting with the major adult processors. The processors in turn may have consulted their biggest customers. A large company doing millions a year (premium tube?) doesn't care about some $500 fee. A small pay site operator might. For the large pay site maybe the $500 fee is great because it helps to further eliminate the competition too.

It always seemed ironic to me that for the most part the people doing the shady things like banging cards are at the top. And the regulations and fees primarily hurt those at the bottom or middle of the industry when they were never the problem in the first place.

you didn't realize that article is complete bullshit? it's about how adult sites are fraudulent and that is co-sponsored by visa and ccbill and the few sites they list as proof are valid sites and all belong to the same affiliate program.

none of that registered?

[DatePoster]

I thought I was broke because I didnt have any money?

[Colmike9]

Probably because people keep promoting shit from the 90s..

My ratios are well under 1:1000 because I promote new stuff all the time. Older programs don't convert for me.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you didn't realize that article is complete bullshit? it's about how adult sites are fraudulent and that is co-sponsored by visa and ccbill and the few sites they list as proof are valid sites and all belong to the same affiliate program.

none of that registered?

For the most part there is a lot of fraud in the industry. And it's often at the top. The processors, the banks, and Visa and Mastercard have allowed it to go on for years. Decades even. Some of the worst offenders are still around today banging cards by using mainstream sites as a cover. Meanwhile many of the smaller players are leaving because the new fee no longer makes their smaller sites viable in the industry and these people for the most part have done nothing wrong.

The writer might be a bit of an outsider or may not have a full understanding of the industry but there was more truth within than what I read here from people who are always kissing someone's ass. Hopefully someone will sit down and check to see that the fees collected are fully going to where they should be going.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

next time, just tell us you wrote it so we won't waste time. no need to make it out like it's a news article.

I did not write that article, but whoever did must have a gfy login!

I think it was dirty frank or whore child or mark prince who wrote the article

Interesting that a journalist is doing a story on billing fraud in the adult industry and how it is affecting mom and pop adult businesses.

I swear I fell out of my chair when I landed on the page and saw how this guy was calling out big players without hesitation

I'm still floored about the article, but I just discovered today and it was written some time back in march 2013

[dyna mo]

or do what i did and simply get a merchant account. there is no benefit to a ccbill account for a small op anyway these days, especially for ~12%.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I did not write that article, but whoever did must have a gfy login!

I think it was dirty frank or whore child or mark prince who wrote the article

Interesting that a journalist is doing a story on billing fraud in the adult industry and how it is affecting mom and pop adult businesses.

I swear I fell out of my chair when I landed on the page and saw how this guy was calling out big players without hesitation

I'm still floored about the article, but I just discovered today and it was written some time back in march 2013

then why so attached to it?

lol, that writer is not a journalist.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Gord...ome &ie=UTF-8

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It was a good read. A little unorthodox but still good. It makes me think that, yes, I doubt Visa and Mastercard just decided to come up with these fees one day without at least meeting with the major adult processors. The processors in turn may have consulted their biggest customers. A large company doing millions a year (premium tube?) doesn't care about some $500 fee. A small pay site operator might. For the large pay site maybe the $500 fee is great because it helps to further eliminate the competition too.

It always seemed ironic to me that for the most part the people doing the shady things like banging cards are at the top. And the regulations and fees primarily hurt those at the bottom or middle of the industry when they were never the problem in the first place.

The Golden paragraph for me that stood out was when the reporter says he tried to validate and confirm that visa even gets the $500.00 annual fee and he was not able to get any confirmation from either party about who collects the registration fee.

Then I remember how customary it is to get always ask for a receipt when you pay for something

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Probably because people keep promoting shit from the 90s..

My ratios are well under 1:1000 because I promote new stuff all the time. Older programs don't convert for me.

Ratios are just a part of it. Try this, Colmike.

Take Monthly Profit for whatever you want to check in cents divided by total monthly unique visitors.

What you get is what you make in cents per unique visitor.

When I do that only for pay sites as an affiliate the number is 1/10th of a cent (.1). When I take all profit into account the number is 2/10th (or 1/5th) of a cent (.2). I make considerably more profit per unique visitor from other methods besides affiliate pay sites.

But what I'm further pointing out is that the same number 10 years ago from what I recall and can calculate was at least 20-33 cents per unique visitor.

.1 cents per unique versus 20 cents per unique. See?

Share what you get if you want?

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Good-bye free ride, hello WORK.
Good-bye lazy losers, hello commited business people.
Good-bye free blowjobs for links, hello paid blowjobs for links.

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro the adult business in its current state is unsustainable. Eventually even you hard working middle of the pack guys will be dragged down in the undertow. The big dogs will survive or die slower ...because well their big.