Wide Range of Witnesses Defines 2257 Trial Day 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 06-04-2013, 05:39 PM

Mark Kernes writes:

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PHILADELPHIA, Pa.?Events moved fast during the second day of testimony in the trial which will decide the constitutionality of the federal recordkeeping and labeling laws, 18 U.S.C. §2257/2257A.

But the day didn't begin very well for federal prosecutor Hector Bladuell, who continued his cross-examination of Sinclair Institute office manager Dian Wilson. He began by asking what percentage of younger performers had appeared in Sinclair's hardcore sex ed videos, and Wilson estimated that about 10 percent were between 18 and 20, but that included those who only posed for box cover photos but didn't appear in the videos themselves. She also said that most performers were over 30.

Link to full article on AVN: Wide-Range-of-Witnesses-Defines-2257-Trial-Day

Rochard · 06-04-2013, 09:14 PM

Interesting read.

Seems to be a lot of talking, but yet no one is even claiming that anyone under age is involved in production of adult material.

I an only wonder how much 2257 costs. For Playboy ICS alone we had someone full time making $50k a year. This doesn't include any time spend by the legal staff at Playboy down in Burbank, or company that came to our office to copy all of the 2257 records... Or any of the other departments in Playboy that had issues.

Why isn't there a law requiring gas stations to record the IDs of everyone buy cigarettes? I mean, it's against the law to sell cigarettes and booze to minors, yet why don't they have scan in their ID and keep a paper file of the transaction?

DWB · 06-05-2013, 04:34 AM

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The day's final witness was AVN Senior Editor Thomas Hymes, who was one of the creators of the website DailyBabylon.com, which featured commentary on the adult industry. However, when his two co-founders left the project, Hymes was left to run the site himself. Hymes said he considered adding hardcore images to the site, but avoided doing so because of the recordkeeping requirements of 2257.

"They're literally chilling my expression with 2257," he stated. He gave his reason as the fact that he works from home on the site, and wanted to avoid warrantless FBI searches of his house, plus due to his day job, he was unable to be available 20 hours per week for possible FBI records inspections.

On cross examination by government attorney Kathryn Wyer, Hymes admitted that several sections of the website had not been updated for two years or more, but he denied that he had abandoned the project.

Tom should turn his site into a tube and host it somewhere in Europe. "User submitted" seems to skirt all this nonsense. Problem solved. You're welcome.

tony286 · 06-05-2013, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Interesting read.

Seems to be a lot of talking, but yet no one is even claiming that anyone under age is involved in production of adult material.

I an only wonder how much 2257 costs. For Playboy ICS alone we had someone full time making $50k a year. This doesn't include any time spend by the legal staff at Playboy down in Burbank, or company that came to our office to copy all of the 2257 records... Or any of the other departments in Playboy that had issues.

Why isn't there a law requiring gas stations to record the IDs of everyone buy cigarettes? I mean, it's against the law to sell cigarettes and booze to minors, yet why don't they have scan in their ID and keep a paper file of the transaction?

I don't think models releases and id's in a drawer is a bad idea. It was basically that way until the Bush Admin wanted to try to make it as fucked up as possible. This was Ashcroft's fuck you to the industry who would of been his number one job to destroy if 911 didnt happen.

Redrob · 06-05-2013, 09:01 AM

Morning Bump

_Richard_ · 06-05-2013, 09:19 AM

interesting the judge and the state going back and forth

Redrob · 06-05-2013, 12:38 PM

Given the importance of this trial, I am amazed at the lack of interest and discussion of its finer points.

DWB · 06-05-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

Given the importance of this trial, I am amazed at the lack of interest and discussion of its finer points.

Are you really?

Look around you man, you're dealing with an industry who no longer gives a shit about anything other than fast cash. Commercialized piracy is at an all time high, and the biggest company in the world is also the biggest pirate organization running sites where they have no clue if the models are minors or not, and they do business with the very companies who do care about 2257, as well as partially fund the FSC who is fighting this case. How is that for dysfunctional?

At best you have a group of larger established companies who will care about this, but no one else does. Porn has been and will continue to be a free-for-all regardless of the outcome of this.

I bet 3/4 of the people on this board either don't know what 2257 is or don't care about it, and they certainly are not going to follow American law if there are not American.

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