This is VERY distressing -- maybe 10 million Verizion subscribers phone records are being subpoenaed and data-mined on a fishing expedition without any probable cause or even reasonable suspicion.

The courts say we are all criminals now!

Where is the ACLU when you need them?

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Originally Posted by Rochard Has nothing to do with the Patriot Act - this has been going on for decades. The US Constitution does not apply outside of the US, and the US government can do what ever it wants. Ever notice how you live in California and when you to a trace route to a server on the east coast it goes through... Cananda? Makes you wonder why huh?

No, these were both domestic and foreign conversations

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[T]he order, which was signed by a judge from the secret court that oversees domestic surveillance, was first reported Wednesday on the Web site of London?s Guardian newspaper. The Web site reproduced a copy of the order, which two former U.S. officials told The Washington Post appears to be authentic. ... http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/na...f03_story.html

Maybe it is legal to eavesdrop on domestic mobile -- I would suggest using high grade encryption. For every measure there is a countermeasure.

And that is the folly in this:

They will not hear Mohamed telling Ali that the bombing is a go in (insert American City here).

They will eavesdrop on Moe telling Mary that he is not wearing pants now -- a wise use of taxpayer money, government make-work salaries and wasted computer time ...