When porn crosses the line - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

sorry you're talking about the separation of fantasy and fiction.

suggests that you feel these videos are staged, or at best, 'fantasy'

I still don't quite get what the fuck you are saying.

I wish you had a better grasp of the English language cause half the time I can barely figure out what you are posting about.

Can anybody else decipher what exactly Richard is attempting to communicate here?

EDIT: FIFTY sick fucks who don't have "normal" sex

_Richard_ · 06-06-2013, 04:44 PM

defend this shit again.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-06-2013, 04:46 PM

You can stick to a "politically correct product" or a within the laws product ...

Just don't step too close to the edge and don't be a hypocrite -- "I am a kinder version pornographer."

I would rather see a pervy guy dealing with a professional model than accosting women on the street.

Sounds like some people around here are surfers ...

DirtyDanza · 06-06-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The audience is DEFINITELY people who enjoy watching it.

As for being "treated like shit"...again, that's just an ignorant statement.

Have you ever been to a "dungeon" for instance? I'm not talking about Kink.Com's porn set.

I'm talking about a true swingers bondage party. Nobody is filming anything there. And I'm sure that with your vanilla sex mind you would walk in and declare that everyone is treating everyone else "like shit".

In reality they are doing EXACTLY what they enjoy sexually.

I've seen men strapped up in the air like Jesus on the cross with their petite, tiny schoolteacher wife beating the hell out of them with a whip until he cums all over the place.

I've seen little housewives tied down and gangbanged while their husband throat fucked her until she gagged. And then later that night see her excitedly talking about coming back the next week for the "party".

You guys don't have a fucking clue about sex.

very well said sir

bangeduppeaches · 06-06-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

One can produce plenty of creative porn without resorting to the misogyny we see in a decent % of it.

And let's be real - to all the people who are saying "the girls enjoy it!" - the vast majority of girls who do porn aren't there because they enjoy being slapped around by some guy's cock, verbally abused, throat-fucked after a little ATM, choked till they almost puke, then verbally abused some more while tears run down their cheeks. They're there because *they need some quick money* for whatever reason(s), many of them have some pretty fucked up stories in one way or another and often the porn gig is just another way for men to treat them like garbage.

Also, the cock-stomping and male humilation stuff - the main audience for that is other sub guys who want to be humiliated themselves and get off on it vicariously. Whereas the main audience of gonzo female throat-fucking/humiliation/whatever vids are guys getting off on women being treated like shit. There's no analogy there.

So what about the infinite number of other niches they can get into for a quick buck? Bottom line is that the girl could walk away if she wanted, there are plenty of "vanilla" studios they could work with. Or shit, she could become a stripper and make "quick money" and not have to subject herself to any sort o physical attention..

As to the dick stomping analogy, I think it's pretty valid. I'm sure there are plenty of WOMEN who get off to watching guys be humiliated and throat fucked and gagged by a beastly hermaphrodite or a chick with a strap on.. And I'm sure there are plenty of women who enjoy watching other women tied up and ripped apart.

Tofu · 06-06-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Have you ever been to a "dungeon" for instance? I'm not talking about Kink.Com's porn set.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I'm not even going into what I do in dungeons, but I can testify that while there, I am surrounded by everything Robbie described and more...complete with tears and screaming. But, each person is there on their own will and loving every painful minute.

Joe Obenberger · 06-06-2013, 05:02 PM

I think the more interesting question is - who, exactly watches this stuff and why?

As for who does it and why they do, the answer is easy. Whenever there is a need for something and an opportunity to make money, someone will, sooner rather than later, fill the vacuum. It's the same with performers, and each of them makes his or her own calculus of risk, harm, pain, ego, etc. and compares it with the presumed gain, money, fame, attention, etc. and makes a decision. All those decisions are personal to the people involved, but there will always be somebody who is willing to do just about anything.

If anybody has demographics about the target audiences of hard/weird/strange/ultrarough/deviant or interracial porn, they keep the numbers to themselves. But I've got a hunch that these same people would be anxious to see King Kong or his closest and most massive relative from the zoo impale Faye Ray or any modern-day equivalent of a tiny, petite, helpless female. Because those things are pretty tough to film and distribute on the Internet, they seek out the material that brings them closest to that experience. Hard porn performs a valuable service to society at large. It takes an enormous amount of rage and hostility and insecurity towards women and safely deposits it at the bottom of a trash can when the experience is over. And that's why sexual assault rates keep dropping in step with broadband internet access.

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

defend this shit again.

You sir, make no sense.

Not even sure if you know what the subject of the thread is.

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

It takes an enormous amount of rage and hostility and insecurity towards women and safely deposits it at the bottom of a trash can when the experience is over.

That is just ignorant. The people into the whole BDSM scene are NOT like that at all. They are your neighbors, your doctor, and yes...even lawyers (though obviously not YOU lol)

Joe Obenberger · 06-06-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That is just ignorant. The people into the whole BDSM scene are NOT like that at all. They are your neighbors, your doctor, and yes...even lawyers (though obviously not YOU lol)

Robbie, I'm addressing the audience for hard porn. Not the "lifestyle" BDSM people. That looks like the subject on the table: "When Porn Crosses the Line".

_Richard_ · 06-06-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That is just ignorant. The people into the whole BDSM scene are NOT like that at all. They are your neighbors, your doctor, and yes...even lawyers (though obviously not YOU lol)

the video that this entire thread is about.

do you know if it's staged or not.

simple question.

LittleMissBrat · 06-06-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

and efukt makes fun with that (the monster at the end)...

when they don't have funny stuff to show, they post those facial abuse stupid videos.

Marquis85 · 06-06-2013, 05:22 PM

What bothers me more is not the trend toward more "degrading" hardcore porn but the trend in more webmasters throwing up banners depicting the most violent porn thinking that the nastier the better will get them a signup. More often than not I'm surfing for some softcore METART type porn and out of nowhere I'm bombarded with banners of abused 18 year olds. Some things you just can't unsee.

deltav · 06-06-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Robbie, I'm addressing the audience for hard porn. Not the "lifestyle" BDSM people. That looks like the subject on the table: "When Porn Crosses the Line".

Yup, that was pretty much what I was trying to get across too. Don't think some of these guys want to hear it, so they're taking it in a different direction. Whatever tho.

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

the video that this entire thread is about.

do you know if it's staged or not.

simple question.

NOW I understand what you're asking. Whew...I thought you had a stroke and were typing random thoughts. heh-heh

As they say in pro wrestling: EVERYTHING is a "work".

So yeah, I don't believe it's "real". Of course I don't know that for a fact...but since the girl signed a model release and got paid...

Now a "simple question" for you...why were you so hellbent on asking me that? What does it have to do with the people I was addressing in this thread who seem so smug and knowledgeable about other people's sexuality?

Troll much?

_Richard_ · 06-06-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

NOW I understand what you're asking. Whew...I thought you had a stroke and were typing random thoughts. heh-heh

As they say in pro wrestling: EVERYTHING is a "work".

So yeah, I don't believe it's "real". Of course I don't know that for a fact...but since the girl signed a model release and got paid...

Now a "simple question" for you...why were you so hellbent on asking me that? What does it have to do with the people I was addressing in this thread who seem so smug and knowledgeable about other people's sexuality?

Troll much?

it was clear the first time i asked; thanks for taking the time to answer.

BFT3K · 06-06-2013, 05:33 PM

Go to an adult modeling site - post the following ad - see what happens...

"Wanted - Submissive sluts wanted for degrading videos."

That ad will get many times more replies than this one...

"Wanted - Softcore models for solo scenes."

So, who do you blame for this?

My studio used to be the stop-over waiting room, between my sites and Duke's sites. The girls would look forward to the harder scenes they were about to do AFTER my silly softcore stuff.

Some of my models used to masturbate to Facial Abuse, and they told me that they were happiest when the girls cried.

Everyone is excited and/or disgusted by different stuff.

Personally I gag every time I see a person suck on a foot. That grosses me out.

Who the fuck knows what people want. It's a crazy world we live in.

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deltav

Yup, that was pretty much what I was trying to get across too. Don't think some of these guys want to hear it, so they're taking it in a different direction. Whatever tho.

And I was addressing the fact that the girls who shoot scenes for Kink and other "hard" (not my description) sites DO enjoy that kind of sex and shoot over and over for those sites. I was using the FACT that a huge percentage of people in everyday life do those kinds of things for pleasure to drive the point home.

As for what I "don't want to hear"...you're telling me to listen to you and Joe tell me about sex.
That's like telling a Professor to listen to two freshmen.

helterskelter808 · 06-06-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Because I'm actually in the porn biz and know a lot of porn girls, sex workers, strippers, etc.

I wasn't aware of your extensive experience in the scat niche. Tell me all about it.

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While you, on the other hand, are making truly derogatory generalizations of women.

What the actual...?

So claiming women "love" eating feces, as you did, is not derogatory or generalizing, whereas suggesting they're perhaps doing it for reasons other than 'loving it', as I did, is derogatory?

You are out of your mind.

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 05:46 PM

helterskelter808 you are acting dumb now.

I'm outta here. You guys keep discussing human sexuality. You are obviously so experienced and have so much knowledge to share.

I'm going to dinner on the strip and then go see the show "The Million Dollar Quartet" at Harrahs.

As for the rest of you: Please go out and get laid. lol

Some Guy · 06-06-2013, 06:18 PM

That video was pretty hard to watch. It's shitty that somebody filmed that (no pun intended) and even shittier that they edited it and put it online. That girl obviously wasn't acting and was truly miserable. Ugh. Some people have no heart.

BlackCrayon · 06-06-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Human sexuality is more complex than some of y'all are understanding.

You don't think that a LOT of people ENJOY being degraded and "roughed up"? I don't mean just the people who enjoy watching it...I mean men and women who like being degraded and roughed up.

Some of y'all just assume that the models don't like it.

Some of y'all need to get laid a lot more by different people so you start seeing with your own two eyes that people's sexuality isn't always the vanilla shit that you might like.

Hell...look at the people who get off on scat! I can't understand it at all. Does that mean the models who do it all the time on film are being degraded? Hell no. They love it too.

You guys are trying to see the world through your own narrow view.

After many years of playing in bands and traveling the world and having sex with thousands of girls...and then going into the porn biz in the mid 1990's until now...I've learned that what I often find disgusting turns out to be a big sexual turn on for millions of other people.

Stop being judgmental of other people's sexual desires and pleasure.

Just go back to having missionary style sex once a week (if you're lucky) and learn to live and let live.

if you've watched certain rough porn scenes its pretty clear the girl is not really into it and is doing it for the pay. either that or their crying, etc is fake. of course there are a good number who enjoy it and want it but there are also a number of them who think it sounds good in their heads but when they try it, they break or they just do it for the pay.

BlackCrayon · 06-06-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The audience is DEFINITELY people who enjoy watching it.

As for being "treated like shit"...again, that's just an ignorant statement.

Have you ever been to a "dungeon" for instance? I'm not talking about Kink.Com's porn set.

I'm talking about a true swingers bondage party. Nobody is filming anything there. And I'm sure that with your vanilla sex mind you would walk in and declare that everyone is treating everyone else "like shit".

In reality they are doing EXACTLY what they enjoy sexually.

I've seen men strapped up in the air like Jesus on the cross with their petite, tiny schoolteacher wife beating the hell out of them with a whip until he cums all over the place.

I've seen little housewives tied down and gangbanged while their husband throat fucked her until she gagged. And then later that night see her excitedly talking about coming back the next week for the "party".

You guys don't have a fucking clue about sex.

a bigger question is why do some people like that? i'd argue there are so many reasons from being wired a certain way down to re-enacting childhood abuse. there are a good number of healthy well adjusted people in that kind of lifestyle but also a good number of head cases that could use some real therapy instead of attempting to turn their emotional pain into physical pain.

BlackCrayon · 06-06-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The audience is DEFINITELY people who enjoy watching it.

As for being "treated like shit"...again, that's just an ignorant statement.

Have you ever been to a "dungeon" for instance? I'm not talking about Kink.Com's porn set.

I'm talking about a true swingers bondage party. Nobody is filming anything there. And I'm sure that with your vanilla sex mind you would walk in and declare that everyone is treating everyone else "like shit".

In reality they are doing EXACTLY what they enjoy sexually.

I've seen men strapped up in the air like Jesus on the cross with their petite, tiny schoolteacher wife beating the hell out of them with a whip until he cums all over the place.

I've seen little housewives tied down and gangbanged while their husband throat fucked her until she gagged. And then later that night see her excitedly talking about coming back the next week for the "party".

You guys don't have a fucking clue about sex.

i would guess the average person watching this kind of porn isn't about the lifestyle at all but is just an average loser seeking out such images due to general resentment towards women as a result of rejection or something similar.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-06-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i would guess the average person watching this kind of porn isn't about the lifestyle at all but is just an average loser seeking out such images due to general resentment towards women as a result of rejection or something similar.

Maybe so, but that would play into the Indian argument -- girls get raped on buses with steel pipes because men watch porn -- that's total bullshit.

@Joe -- there is demand for crack but most of us would not become crack dealers -- plenty of money in that ...

All I can say is Fanny Hill, Catcher in the Rye and other banned books in the middle of the last century.

It's socially acceptable to maim and kill in movies and on TV but it is corrupting to have "abnormal sex" performed or viewed in America?

60% of Americans are prudes when it comes to sex.

The other thing that was brought up was the "in your face" NSFW graphic sex banners ...

You can get the message across subtly too:

Grapesoda · 06-06-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Human sexuality is more complex than some of y'all are understanding.

You don't think that a LOT of people ENJOY being degraded and "roughed up"? I don't mean just the people who enjoy watching it...I mean men and women who like being degraded and roughed up.

Some of y'all just assume that the models don't like it.

Some of y'all need to get laid a lot more by different people so you start seeing with your own two eyes that people's sexuality isn't always the vanilla shit that you might like.

Hell...look at the people who get off on scat! I can't understand it at all. Does that mean the models who do it all the time on film are being degraded? Hell no. They love it too.

You guys are trying to see the world through your own narrow view.

After many years of playing in bands and traveling the world and having sex with thousands of girls...and then going into the porn biz in the mid 1990's until now...I've learned that what I often find disgusting turns out to be a big sexual turn on for millions of other people.

Stop being judgmental of other people's sexual desires and pleasure.

Just go back to having missionary style sex once a week (if you're lucky) and learn to live and let live.

is there some kind or code in your post??? what are you trying to tell us????? please don't say 'pegging'

Robbie · 06-06-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

is there some kind or code in your post??? what are you trying to tell us????? please don't say 'pegging'

"code", "pegging"?

Brother I have no fucking idea what you are saying. My post is pretty damn clear...most of the people on GFY are nerdy, fat fucks with no idea about sexuality and what people do in their private lives.

And from reading the asinine statements about how they think it's "real" and the girl is "miserable", etc. they have obviously no idea how showbiz works.

Some of the people in this thread are completely and totally what carnies call "marks".

They probably believe that HHH really hits people with a sledgehammer in the WWE ring too.
And in those Rambo movies...that shit was all real too.

Jesus Christ! I can't believe what I'm reading on here.

People...the girl in that video signed a fucking model release AND got paid. She wasn't miserable. And it's NOT real.

Good God!

But I'm tired of reading this shit. Believe whatever some of you want to believe. Who cares? And if you want to bitch about it...then bitch at Duke Skywalker. It's a Duke Dollars scene right?

I'll leave you prudes who believe this kind of stuff is "real" with a KinkyDollars video for you to chew on:
http://xpornxporn.com/videos/big-tit...ted-13644.html

Major (Tom) · 06-06-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

"code", "pegging"?

Brother I have no fucking idea what you are saying. My post is pretty damn clear...most of the people on GFY are nerdy, fat fucks with no idea about sexuality and what people do in their private lives.

And from reading the asinine statements about how they think it's "real" and the girl is "miserable", etc. they have obviously no idea how showbiz works.

Some of the people in this thread are completely and totally what carnies call "marks".

They probably believe that HHH really hits people with a sledgehammer in the WWE ring too.
And in those Rambo movies...that shit was all real too.

Jesus Christ! I can't believe what I'm reading on here.

People...the girl in that video signed a fucking model release AND got paid. She wasn't miserable. And it's NOT real.

Good God!

But I'm tired of reading this shit. Believe whatever some of you want to believe. Who cares? And if you want to bitch about it...then bitch at Duke Skywalker. It's a Duke Dollars scene right?

I'll leave you prudes who believe this kind of stuff is "real" with a KinkyDollars video for you to chew on:
http://xpornxporn.com/videos/big-tit...ted-13644.html

Everybody always blamin the duke!

Ds

RyuLion · 06-06-2013, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Because I'm actually in the porn biz and know a lot of porn girls, sex workers, strippers, etc. While you, on the other hand, are making truly derogatory generalizations of women.

You are a narrow minded sexually repressed person (at least that's what your comment leads me to believe)

/Thread <----------- ^^^

24/7 Blogging Crew · 06-06-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by leg4

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue and doing amphetamines.

you see what happened to xxxjay i'd stop now

tony286 · 06-07-2013, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

whats more degrading? taking it up the ass from douchebags or taking it up the ass working for minimum wage?

Yep , I had GF who worked as a waitress at a Waffle House. Customers would play beat the check, stiff her after treating her like their personal servant. While making when all was said and done a little more than min wage.

billywatson · 06-07-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A+

It's a pretty fucked up world we live in when a person is willing to humiliate herself like that for cash.

Just so everyone here knows, this is all approved from the beginning of the booking process: from my initial call to the agent, to all the girls' arrivals on set, through make-up, each and every girl who was "Cumbanged" knew exactly what was going down...and approved it. Also, some of the girls refused to allow the "Cumbangers" to wear the shirts, and, instead of not booking the girl, we turned it into a fun scenario that the girl not only approved...but liked.

Everyone makes their money on a Dogfart set in a fun, relaxed, and, most importantly, a consensual atmosphere -- whether Spring Thomas is dropping the "NBomb" on one of her co-stars, or there's a cuckold eating a creamed pie, or a cute white girl is interrupting a Black Power Meeting for Interracial BlowBang.

_Richard_ · 06-07-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Everybody always blamin the duke!

Ds

was it staged?

BlackCrayon · 06-07-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

was it staged?

i have a hard time believing every freak out in the facial abuse scenes is staged. its the amateur girls they get from god knows where that are the ones that seem to freak out/break down the most.

_Richard_ · 06-07-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i have a hard time believing every freak out in the facial abuse scenes is staged. its the amateur girls they get from god knows where that are the ones that seem to freak out/break down the most.

there is reasons for before and after filming for bdsm scenes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

congrats to the winners.

"Duress has two aspects. One is that it negates the person's consent to an act, such as sexual activity or the entering into a contract; or, secondly, as a possible legal defense or justification to an otherwise unlawful act.[1]"

dyna mo · 06-07-2013, 10:46 AM

i think it's fair to say that some adult actors have had meltdowns on set. regardless of what they signed or were informed of.

Screwed Up · 06-07-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy2

wish i was there to help

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Originally Posted by BlacksOnBlondes

Help with what? Do you defend the white girls on our site too? Or just the black ones? Most of our shoots, white girls or black, their boyfriends or husbands are usually on the set, including Cumbang. You get mad when a black woman says she prefers white guys, you can't handle that, but all the white girls we shoot say the same thing in reverse. This is race play, which is extremely popular. If you watch most interracial shoots, they rely heavily on race play. Everybody on our set has a great time.

I think you misunderstood his post.

nikki99 · 06-07-2013, 10:52 AM

ds make the girls cry and he laughs about it

shimmy2 · 06-07-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Screwed Up

I think you misunderstood his post.

im often misunderstood

BlackCrayon · 06-07-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

there is reasons for before and after filming for bdsm scenes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

congrats to the winners.

"Duress has two aspects. One is that it negates the person's consent to an act, such as sexual activity or the entering into a contract; or, secondly, as a possible legal defense or justification to an otherwise unlawful act.[1]"

its definitely a good idea. i'm sure this is probably done with most porn scenes to some extent as well. we just don't see it as they don't publish it. there are a lot of things we don't see in many scenes. facialabuse gets a lot of flack because where most would edit those bits out, they leave them in. fact is we don't really know how common of an occurrence having to calm a girl down who freaks out and starts crying is.

AllAboutCams · 06-07-2013, 11:54 AM

Some of the so called porn posted on here makes me feel sick whats wrong with you people that like seeing a girl beaten then fucked its discusting

x-rate · 06-07-2013, 11:59 AM

Not enough pictures in this thread

dyna mo · 06-07-2013, 12:00 PM

whenever i book a porn*star* for a shoot i'm always curious how many bruises she will show up with. most the time they're fine, but it's more often that i would like they show up bruised.

Joe Obenberger · 06-07-2013, 01:00 PM

Till I read this thread, I'd always guessed that a jury made up of people in the adult industry would be a dream come true in the defense of a criminal obscenity trial.

The title of the thread - implying a line that somebody needs to set - is an affront to what I think freedom of speech means. Now, it's possible that people posting here are only talking about their own, personal moral tastes and values, and if that's the case, I respect all of those opinions and the people who assert them. But I'm afraid that some of them mean more than an expression of personal opinion and go to what society should permit.

No one has the right to tell anyone else what they can read. What they can view. What they can produce and take to market. If freedom of speech does not mean that, it does not mean anything.

No limit. No line. Nobody should go to jail for publishing anything.

If you can't accept that, you believe in censorship and you're just quibbling over the definition.

Robbie · 06-07-2013, 02:56 PM

Great post Joe!

pornmasta · 06-07-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

The title of the thread - implying a line that somebody needs to set - is an affront to what I think freedom of speech means.

There must be a line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Ma...der_of_Lin_Jun

and freedom of speech is not the point.
There are humiliating someone who is trapped in a situation.
And it doesn't look stagged and she doesn't seems to enjoy what they are doing. They are humiliating her and she doesn't seems to like it.

Joe Obenberger · 06-07-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

There must be a line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Ma...der_of_Lin_Jun

and freedom of speech is not the point.
There are humiliating someone who is trapped in a situation.
And it doesn't look stagged and she doesn't seems to enjoy what they are doing. They are humiliating her and she doesn't seems to like it.

You don't need censorship or obscenity laws to prosecute murder.

No limits.

When People v. Freeman was being decided in California, the case that took the making of porn out of the reach of the prostitution laws, your precise argument was made by prosecutors - that pornography should not deserve constitutional protection because it was nothing more than the recordation of the crime of prostitution. The backdoor entry into censorship has always been that argument. In fact, grisly videos showing every cruelty that one person can inflict upon another (some lawfully, others clearly criminal) exist on the internet and they all teach important lessons that can't be learned as well but by seeing them. It is a better society that shows everything, hides nothing, and lets people make decisions based on reality, visual and audio, leaving as little as possible to revisionism and interpretation. The truth is nothing to fear. And it is necessary for people to make decisions. If a video captures a crime, prosecute that crime, not the video that records it.

No limits.

dyna mo · 06-07-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

In fact, grisly videos showing every cruelty that one person can inflict upon another (some lawfully, others clearly criminal) exist on the internet and they all teach important lessons that can't be learned as well but by seeing them.

could you provide some real world examples please?

the reason i ask is that i've chosen to never watch those videos and am curious what lessons i am missing.

WarChild · 06-07-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

Till I read this thread, I'd always guessed that a jury made up of people in the adult industry would be a dream come true in the defense of a criminal obscenity trial.

I always think it's kind of funny when people post about how they got out of serving jury duty because they're just so smart. Here's to hoping that if they're ever falsely accused of something they end up with a panel of jurors too "stupid' to get out of jury duty.

The Porn Nerd · 06-07-2013, 04:26 PM

I like naked midget wrestling in poo with syrup BBW cumbang interracial MILF swapping swinger butthole anal blowjob bondage pierced twat choker smoker sex.

But I'm a typical American male so it's expected.

06-06-2013, 04:46 PM	#53
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	You can stick to a "politically correct product" or a within the laws product ... Just don't step too close to the edge and don't be a hypocrite -- "I am a kinder version pornographer." I would rather see a pervy guy dealing with a professional model than accosting women on the street. Sounds like some people around here are surfers ...

06-06-2013, 05:02 PM	#57
Joe Obenberger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 466	I think the more interesting question is - who, exactly watches this stuff and why? As for who does it and why they do, the answer is easy. Whenever there is a need for something and an opportunity to make money, someone will, sooner rather than later, fill the vacuum. It's the same with performers, and each of them makes his or her own calculus of risk, harm, pain, ego, etc. and compares it with the presumed gain, money, fame, attention, etc. and makes a decision. All those decisions are personal to the people involved, but there will always be somebody who is willing to do just about anything. If anybody has demographics about the target audiences of hard/weird/strange/ultrarough/deviant or interracial porn, they keep the numbers to themselves. But I've got a hunch that these same people would be anxious to see King Kong or his closest and most massive relative from the zoo impale Faye Ray or any modern-day equivalent of a tiny, petite, helpless female. Because those things are pretty tough to film and distribute on the Internet, they seek out the material that brings them closest to that experience. Hard porn performs a valuable service to society at large. It takes an enormous amount of rage and hostility and insecurity towards women and safely deposits it at the bottom of a trash can when the experience is over. And that's why sexual assault rates keep dropping in step with broadband internet access. __________________ Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. . . Restraint in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Last edited by Joe Obenberger; 06-06-2013 at 05:07 PM..

06-06-2013, 05:22 PM	#63
Marquis85 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 622	What bothers me more is not the trend toward more "degrading" hardcore porn but the trend in more webmasters throwing up banners depicting the most violent porn thinking that the nastier the better will get them a signup. More often than not I'm surfing for some softcore METART type porn and out of nowhere I'm bombarded with banners of abused 18 year olds. Some things you just can't unsee. __________________ Last 3 months SCORECash ratio: 1:237 Last edited by Marquis85; 06-06-2013 at 05:29 PM..

06-06-2013, 05:33 PM	#67
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Go to an adult modeling site - post the following ad - see what happens... "Wanted - Submissive sluts wanted for degrading videos." That ad will get many times more replies than this one... "Wanted - Softcore models for solo scenes." So, who do you blame for this? My studio used to be the stop-over waiting room, between my sites and Duke's sites. The girls would look forward to the harder scenes they were about to do AFTER my silly softcore stuff. Some of my models used to masturbate to Facial Abuse, and they told me that they were happiest when the girls cried. Everyone is excited and/or disgusted by different stuff. Personally I gag every time I see a person suck on a foot. That grosses me out. Who the fuck knows what people want. It's a crazy world we live in. Last edited by BFT3K; 06-06-2013 at 05:41 PM..

06-06-2013, 05:46 PM	#70
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	helterskelter808 you are acting dumb now. I'm outta here. You guys keep discussing human sexuality. You are obviously so experienced and have so much knowledge to share. I'm going to dinner on the strip and then go see the show "The Million Dollar Quartet" at Harrahs. As for the rest of you: Please go out and get laid. lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-06-2013, 04:44 PM	#52
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,984	defend this shit again.

06-06-2013, 06:18 PM	#71
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	That video was pretty hard to watch. It's shitty that somebody filmed that (no pun intended) and even shittier that they edited it and put it online. That girl obviously wasn't acting and was truly miserable. Ugh. Some people have no heart. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

06-07-2013, 10:46 AM	#86
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,950	i think it's fair to say that some adult actors have had meltdowns on set. regardless of what they signed or were informed of.

06-07-2013, 10:52 AM	#88
nikki99 Supermodel Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sodoma & Gomorra Posts: 22,862	ds make the girls cry and he laughs about it __________________ SMC Revenue - Best Tgirl websites of the world now VR Non exclusive BIG Tranny/shemale Package for sale, full 2257 - hit me up skype: nikkimontero

06-07-2013, 11:54 AM	#91
AllAboutCams Femcams.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: bjcam.com Posts: 12,220	Some of the so called porn posted on here makes me feel sick whats wrong with you people that like seeing a girl beaten then fucked its discusting __________________ Binance - Blockchain and Crypto Asset Exchange Chaturbate make money in cams

06-07-2013, 11:59 AM	#92
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06-07-2013, 12:00 PM	#93
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,950	whenever i book a pornstar for a shoot i'm always curious how many bruises she will show up with. most the time they're fine, but it's more often that i would like they show up bruised.

06-07-2013, 01:00 PM	#94
Joe Obenberger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 466	Till I read this thread, I'd always guessed that a jury made up of people in the adult industry would be a dream come true in the defense of a criminal obscenity trial. The title of the thread - implying a line that somebody needs to set - is an affront to what I think freedom of speech means. Now, it's possible that people posting here are only talking about their own, personal moral tastes and values, and if that's the case, I respect all of those opinions and the people who assert them. But I'm afraid that some of them mean more than an expression of personal opinion and go to what society should permit. No one has the right to tell anyone else what they can read. What they can view. What they can produce and take to market. If freedom of speech does not mean that, it does not mean anything. No limit. No line. Nobody should go to jail for publishing anything. If you can't accept that, you believe in censorship and you're just quibbling over the definition. __________________ Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. . . Restraint in the pursuit of Justice is no virtue. Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964

06-07-2013, 02:56 PM	#95
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Great post Joe! __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-07-2013, 04:26 PM	#100
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,515	I like naked midget wrestling in poo with syrup BBW cumbang interracial MILF swapping swinger butthole anal blowjob bondage pierced twat choker smoker sex. But I'm a typical American male so it's expected. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia