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FingerPrinter

Sites that cater to pedophiles are plastered all over this forum you hypocritical piece of shit, so get the fuck out of here... 18 year old sites with girls dressed extremely girly and having sex/sucking dick - legal

EXGF sites with stolen content and underage content - ALL OVER THIS FORUM AND ACTUALLY ILLEGAL

13-17 Year old teen models without sexually explicit content / lascivious exhibition of the genital area - legal.

I know this thread will probably turn into a bigger clusterfuck than it already is with fat ass trolls coming out of the woodwork to slam my work, so these responses to the first 4 pages will likely be all that I respond to.

FingerPrinter

Lots of agencies/sites ran out of the States and do fine. Of course it's possible to produce illegal content but if you stay within the boundaries there are far worse things the FBI or anyone else has to worry about --- such as unauthorized EXGF 'scraped' content of underage girls actually being explicit.

L-Pink

The intent of your content is pathetic.


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Jel

Read my post in context you dumb piece of shit.

johnnyloadproductions

I have a much stronger mind for putting pieces together and am aware of what sites you run (or the sites being referred to at least).
The site and it's sister sites are very hot commodities and are regularly traded on the main porn piracy boards from time to time.

I believe you shot Marisa Model? Then eventually did Marisa Heaven etc etc.
I'm pretty sure I know the other projects you've worked on.
I know this because I've got a very good memory for everything I read and on some of the consumer boards you get stalker types that learn everything they can about models, and they blab about it.

Yes, you are right about people on here bitching about underage stuff and then going gaga over some images scraped off of chans and then being promoted through ccbill programs. I guess being an affiliate for that stuff puts a barrier between you and law enforcement.
A thread was made about a Taylor Swift look alike who was clearly underage and everyone was going nuts over her.

I have no doubt the site in question does very very well, considering how well the times I've seen any file locker links for the content you have them removed.
I've seen some of the girls, and yes, some are very attractive.

But from me personally, I never like hanging out in gray areas of the law and like to limit my liabilities where I can.

FingerPrinter

Sure, most people don't want to hang out in grey areas...

When I first started with this, a lot of these sites existed... wouldn't have thought twice about whether they were legal or not because there were a lot of them, all with proper billing setups in place, infact CCBILL even used to bill for them.

Things changed, the guy who I mentioned earlier was arrested and everyone went nuts. Suddenly everyone went from -- promoting the content and thinking it was just fine, to burning people at the stake like the hypocritical pieces of shit that they are.

I've never had legal problems with sites but I have gone through a ton of shit and there was a long stretch of time when I stopped working with them myself, staying out of that 'gray area' - but after seeing the other side (the adult industry) go down the drain, and seeing opportunity to work with models in different countries during my travels decided to start up again...

FingerPrinter

Same could be said for the intent of any content ever created or solicited on this forum...

L-Pink

In your black heart you know exactly what I mean. No other content has the producer thinking "how can I best make this CHILD into masturbation content"


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johnnyloadproductions

Which is another reason I stay out of the gray area, it's too easy for it to become a slippery slope and no one is frowned upon if they jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon.

I'll have to check in on this thread later today and see what happens.

L-Pink

I'm not on a "witch hunt bandwagon" I'm just expressing what I feel. And fuck fris too for taking the job and then coming here with his fucked up story.


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FingerPrinter

In my black heart... are you serious? I do know exactly what anyone means when they have something against teen model sites... sometimes it's warranted and sometimes it's nonsense, however in adult webmasters cases it's almost always out of their own guilt for what they do. I guess you're an old man affiliate, not sure if you've produced content but I'm sure even as that you've had an interest in a girl, or group of people, have come forward with what you do, and have been shunned for it.

There's a dark side to what I do in the eyes of many but there's also a very bright side. Working out of Colombia a lot of these girls and their families are dirt poor. The idea of modeling here and girls being beautiful and show-offs is a lot more acceptable than a conservative place like the States in most cases as well. People are still judgemental and superficial, probably more so, but not in the way that having a beautiful body/face and showing it off is wrong.

As I was saying, people here are really poor, no job opportunities.. you start to realize a lot about how the way the world really works, and you also really start to appreciate a boring country that you might be from, like Canada. Really appreciate being Canadian after seeing what people have to go through in a country like this. Things are changing here, but the level of exploitation is something that a Canadian, American, etc would never have to even imagine. Seems like 60% of people or more have no jobs, the ones that do work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day, for the equivalent of about 300$.

A lot of families can't afford to pay for school, rent, clothes, whatever -- if not being able to pay for food. Teen modeling of this sort might not be the right choice for a girl or their parents if they have absolutely no money issues, but when a model earns more in a day's worth of shooting than their parents might earn for the whole month, it's actually something they can look forward to each month and have a good time doing so.

Here are the kinds of locations that we work out of:






The only time I see a real problem with these kinds of sites is when judgemental assholes start attacking the models themselves... don't care if they attack me. Criticizing them/etc normally out of jealously or their own guilt.

These sites are even safer than ones like Facebook/etc where girls end up posting similar kinds of pics in underwear/etc, are followed my thousands if not tens of thousands that can contact them, and sometimes end up sending nude pictures of themselves or worse.

I know no matter what a lot of people will never understand this and just blindly keep criticizing like the simple minded people they are.

johnnyloadproductions

Hey man! It's just more drama to make me press F5 like a crack addict.

To all the business types that mock all the failures and 24/7 people around here, without them, you wouldn't have a reason to hang out around here.

Markul

All this is some seriously fucked up shit

L-Pink

So you see yourself as a humanitarian? Helping impoverished young girls? Fucking unreal.


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FingerPrinter

No asshole, did I say that? I'm saying there are a lot of worse things out there to criticize... I've already mentioned some. And I'm definitely saying that teen modeling for impoverished young girls is a better alternative to what they'd typically be faced with otherwise.

Here he goes... L-Pink is worried about his ever so beloved GFY forum reputation

L-Pink

I don't worry about much but thanks for caring.


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RuthB

Just because they don't have many options doesn't mean that it's okay to take advantage of them, and just because there are "worse things out there" doesn't mean that what you are doing is right and above criticism.

No matter how you dress it up, sites like the one described in this thread are going to end up being used for ugly purposes by foul-minded individuals.

Tofu

This thread, right here...


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Dankasaur

Bingo. Say what you want, but everyone knows what this content is used for. Sugar coat it all you want, it's still shit.

FingerPrinter

Didn't say it was above criticism... actually if you READ my responses you'd realize that. It's just not nearly as bad as some ignorant people think.

Facebook, previously myspace, and lots of other sites "end up being used for ugly purposes by foul-minded individuals."

Before anyone else makes any other comments, read this article by a very successful teen model photographer who's ran his business out of the States for a long time:

http://trueteenbabes.com/photographer.html

It's as simple as that.

RuthB

I guess it comes down to your own personal moral compunction over such things. Apparently you choose to justify your actions by saying "well other people are doing it..", and that makes it okay for you.

I feel sorry for the girls you hire.

L-Pink

Thanks for taking time away from trolling third world middle schools looking for talent to answer our comments.


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FingerPrinter

You didn't read the article, you're just being ignorant. Get the fuck outta here. Are you no longer at Paxum? No sig...?

RandyRandy

Hmm, looks like outside of Medellin, perhaps Rionegro? Age of consent in Colombia is 14, although for sex workers it's 18. It's also one of the capitals of cosmetic surgery.

It's a different culture down there, but the authorities are very vigilant on child pornography and underage prostitution since they enacted new laws around 2008 closing some very glaring loopholes making it a pedo paradise. I believe FP's operation is on the up-and-up or he would have been blackmailed or incarcerated pretty quickly.

DatePoster

Is there a chance you could help me with getting the opportunity to bang Lady Sonia?

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FingerPrinter

We do everything as legitimately as possible... Parents with the girls at each shoot, they are all explained exactly how things work before being hired and are shown examples/websites/etc... Parents/models sign permission forms before working... Content is not necessarily as tame as a 'Sears catalogue' but it's not pornographic either. United States federal law describes CP as (besides the obvious) 'lascivious exhibition of the genital area'

Authorities here are more worried about back door operations or websites that might involve actual prostitution/contact with the models... or gringos coming over and filming themselves on their camera phone having sex with minors....

I work with a registered model agency and things like that. Again, not saying I'm a HUMANITARIAN or beyond criticism like some ignorant assholes here want to go on about....

RuthB

No I didn't read the article, but that doesn't make me ignorant, I simply realize that there is no justification that I could read that would make this okay in my mind. I have a closed mind on this topic, and that's perfectly fine with me.

As for Paxum, of course I'm still with Paxum, I simply chose not to include my signature with my comments in this thread.

FingerPrinter

So you're not only ignorant, but also contradicting... fair enough.... Close-minded/not open to reading an article about something makes you ignorant on the subject.

CaptainHowdy

More than "a short note", I'd say "a minor note"...

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Far-L

Do the world a favor and quit again please.

Just because you can "legally" get away with exploiting kids for "legal underage" in other countries doesn't make it right.

You failed at producing material with consenting adults so you went back to exploiting kids. The next stop on the path of fail for you is hopefully a third world prison where they finally fully pull the plug on your so-called career and turn it into a butt plug to shove up your anus without lube before smashing out all your teeth so you can give better gummers when they get tired of pulling trains on your ass.

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Jel

I refrained from saying anything about *your* particular site before, because I knew nothing about it. From what I gather, you're saying it's a paysite where men pay to look at pictures/videos of 13-17 year old girls (though not showing 'lascivious exhibition of the genital area') - is that correct?

Google Expert

So if someone offered to fuck them for 1 year worth of family income, by your logic you'd also be okay with it?

Fucking sick piece of shit asshole.

FingerPrinter

Obviously not what I'm saying at all idiot

Take care faggots.

helterskelter808

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Typical nauseating pedo defense when outed: "what I do is okay, because there's other stuff in the world that's worse".

Jel

why would it not be the right choice for girls or their parents with no money issues?

Matt 26z

One of these underage non-nude paysite girls was on Oprah years ago with her mom and photographer. They even showed her doing live webcam chats. Given that Oprah was sexually abused as a child I expected her to roast the mother, but surprisingly she didn't have a problem with the concept. She even seemed to support what the girl was doing.

If Oprah is fine with it, should GFY be fine with it?

Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE

They are going to love this guy in jail. Hopefully it will be in some shit hole country where they don't have segregation unit for that type.

signupdamnit

I agree with you. I think he is trying to rationalize it to himself. Deep down he probably knows it is wrong. I'm no angel either but there is a line and I think he crossed it. He should seriously think about it some more.

It's good that all the girls are over 13 - if they were younger it would be far worse - but in my opinion that's still too young for this kind of thing.

Fingerprinter, seriously man, please try to find something else. Or at least raise the age to 16 or something. That will help. It may not be enough for most here but at least you're going in the right direction. Could you do that for some of us?

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signupdamnit

Yes. I'm NOT saying Fingerprinter is necessarily equal to a full blown pedophile however pedophiles who take advantage of poor girls in other countries by paying for sex often use the "they are poor and this money is equal to a month's wages" excuse to justify it. Please look in the mirror Fingerprinter and take a good hard look. Do you want to be that kind of person? Is that really you?

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signupdamnit

How old was the girl?

Was Oprah honestly aware that the main purpose for the site was masturbation?

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georgeyw

Holy shit, that article is well eye opening.

Those Jessica Biel images are sexually explicit and she was only 17 at the time

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Diomed

Just read that article..

I dunno man.. The fact is though people do this with little girls under 12 and shit.. The 17 year olds.. Maybe I can see.. 16 possibly.. The artistic merit, IF its done in an arty non cock jacking way like magazines.

But then it gets nasty.. Little girls in tights.. Hell, they use to have that stuff on reddit.

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Diomed

Also,

its real funny what a little money can do to your ego isn't it?

I remember when I had my first 10-15k week, and after a few of them I was walking around like my shit didn't stink and boasting to friends like this cunt.

But then I changed, understanding humility was the new ego, and definitely realized he only way forward of any value was to live an examined and responsible life. I'm happier now with minimal work and making do with less money (still plenty).

Those months where I was cranking out 80 hours a week, making big bucks.. Well, I was fucking miserable.

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