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baddog · 06-27-2013, 08:12 AM

Ecuador also stated it could take several weeks to months to grant him asylum.

_Richard_ · 06-27-2013, 08:36 AM

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Russian Human Rights Council Head says Snowden could get asylum in Russia

Head of the Russian Presidential Human Rights Council Mikhail Fedotov said that Russia could have given asylum to former CIA employee Edward Snowden, who released information regarding the control of the U.S. special services on the Internet.

"If Mr. Snowden files such a request, then it can be considered by the president," Fedotov told Interfax on Thursday.

"Snowden deserves protection," Fedotov said.

So that Snowden receives asylum, all the procedures stipulated in a relevant presidential decree must be followed, Fedotov said.

"It is difficult for me to talk about the situation with Snowden from the point of view of foreign policy. This situation is utterly clear to me from the point of view of human rights protection: a person, disclosing secrets concealed by special services, if these secrets are a threat to the society, a threat to millions people - which refers to the total surveillance of the Internet - such a person does deserve political asylum in this or that country," Fedotov said.

Snowden fled to Hong Kong in May and then released the information about secret operations of the U.S. special services about surveillance on the Internet.

Snowden is currently in the transit area of Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow - he cannot fly out because his U.S. passport has been annulled.

Rochard · 06-27-2013, 08:45 AM

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You are obviously simplifying it, or just trolling because that is not fact.

Not at all; I understand "chain of command". I'm just saying the bigger the numbers get the more problems you have.

I was in the Marines for four years. There were times when I knew my commanding officer pretty good, but there were other times when the only conversation I had with my commanding officer was all of three minutes long, and included introductions of a dozen other people at the same time.

We have millions of people working for our intelligence agencies, either directly or as "contractors". It's surprising this doesn't happen more often.

dyna mo · 06-27-2013, 08:45 AM

maybe dwb is right. snowden had a plan all along, create worldwide outrage by having this part of the story create an extended news cycle.

that would be some very successful planning as it does seem several parts of this have been serendipitous for snowden, it's hard to imagine he could envision it would turn into a diplomatic nightmare with countries like ecuador snubbing their nose at us.

dyna mo · 06-27-2013, 08:52 AM

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We have millions of people working for our intelligence agencies, either directly or as "contractors". It's surprising this doesn't happen more often.

we don't have millions with security clearance.

the intelligence community as a whole includes 854,000 people holding top-secret clearances.

but even that number of snoops is obscene.

baddog · 06-27-2013, 09:00 AM

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Not at all; I understand "chain of command". I'm just saying the bigger the numbers get the more problems you have.

I was in the Marines for four years. There were times when I knew my commanding officer pretty good, but there were other times when the only conversation I had with my commanding officer was all of three minutes long, and included introductions of a dozen other people at the same time.

We have millions of people working for our intelligence agencies, either directly or as "contractors". It's surprising this doesn't happen more often.

You do realize that is not the comment I was addressing, right?

_Richard_ · 06-27-2013, 09:05 AM

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You do realize that is not the comment I was addressing, right?

how would he realize that, if you haven't actually addressed anything?

Rochard · 06-27-2013, 11:58 AM

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You do realize that is not the comment I was addressing, right?

I was under the impression you were addressing where I had said "How can you have oversight on millions of employees?" and you replied:

"Being ex-military, perhaps you have heard of ranks. The theory being that you have a bunch of small groups or squads that are each supervised by one guy for each squad; then you have another guy that is over a group of squads, which you might call a company. Then you have one guy that supervises the supervisors of the various companies. You see where this is going?"

My point was the more people you have under you, the more problems you will have.

DWB · 06-27-2013, 12:22 PM

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maybe dwb is right. snowden had a plan all along

Of course he did. People may not want to think he's a smart guy, and maybe he's not, but he's smart enough to be safe in Russia where he is untouchable by US authorities and by the looks of it will now probably get asylum there. Check mate.

You don't do something like this without a very detailed plan and proper connections. Otherwise they would have nailed his ass in Hong Kong, where the USA has an FBI office . Wrap your head around that. He was in Hong Kong where the FBI is located, and they STILL couldn't get him. He is being protected from some very powerful people. That's all there is to it.

DWB · 06-27-2013, 12:25 PM

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Ecuador also stated it could take several weeks to months to grant him asylum.

I think everything coming out of Ecuador, Hong Kong and Russia is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and misdirection. Ecuador could have him sorted in no time if they really wanted to, or protect him in their Embassy like they are doing Assange. No doubt the President of Ecuador could grant him whatever is needed with a stroke of a pen.

dyna mo · 06-27-2013, 12:45 PM

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Of course he did. People may not want to think he's a smart guy, and maybe he's not, but he's smart enough to be safe in Russia where he is untouchable by US authorities and by the looks of it will now probably get asylum there. Check mate.

You don't do something like this without a very detailed plan and proper connections. Otherwise they would have nailed his ass in Hong Kong, where the USA has an FBI office . Wrap your head around that. He was in Hong Kong where the FBI is located, and they STILL couldn't get him. He is being protected from some very powerful people. That's all there is to it.

we need more government officials like snowden, current government can get shit done but snowden exacts a precise plan like this with aplomb!

DWB · 06-27-2013, 12:49 PM

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we need more government officials like snowden, current government can get shit done but snowden exacts a precise plan like this with aplomb!

I don't think he had much of a choice. He either planned this out correctly or got locked up with a quickness.

livexxx · 06-27-2013, 01:41 PM

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dyna mo · 06-27-2013, 01:46 PM

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I don't think he had much of a choice. He either planned this out correctly or got locked up with a quickness.

well, i guess we'll see how obama and congress deal with a worldwide shaming.

baddog · 06-27-2013, 02:17 PM

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I was under the impression you were addressing where I had said "How can you have oversight on millions of employees?" and you replied:

That is not what I was quoting when I made my post: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19689174&postcount=397

Rochard · 06-27-2013, 03:47 PM

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That is not what I was quoting when I made my post: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19689174&postcount=397

I'm done arguing you with you.

winter_ · 06-27-2013, 08:27 PM

i think his best bet is china....

if his girlfriend can help him get his girlfriend involved she is chinese isn't she?

winter_ · 06-27-2013, 08:40 PM

know of a guy apparently who married a ukranian woman so she could get some more permanent residency in the such and such country she was visiting, it was not another eastern european country though.

if his girlfriend is chinese or his wife, then there must be clauses in their policy which allow a foreign partner in on conditions or probably not that liberal eh. i would call china a dictatorship more than communist state but the united states didn't have the balls to list them as a rogue state.

i have seen his wife she is actually pretty sexy.

Rochard · 06-27-2013, 10:05 PM

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we don't have millions with security clearance.

the intelligence community as a whole includes 854,000 people holding top-secret clearances.

but even that number of snoops is obscene.

That number is only people with security clearance. I am guessing there is a lot more.

dyna mo · 06-27-2013, 10:40 PM

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That number is only people with security clearance. I am guessing there is a lot more.

i'm not surprised.

let's say 1 million snoops, just for fun.

there are 9 billion total people on the planet, children, starving africans, all of us.

it's fair to say 99.9% of those, us, don't want to hurt us. (it's way more, like 99.999999%)

so .1% = 9 million potential terrorists.

that's 1 snoop to 9 potential terrorists ratio

that's pretty funcking paranoid.

baddog · 06-28-2013, 07:57 AM

Now being reported that his dad thinks he may return to the US, that he has been manipulated by wikileaks, that he has broken the law but has not betrayed his country

DWB · 06-28-2013, 08:05 AM

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Now being reported that his dad thinks he may return to the US, that he has been manipulated by wikileaks, that he has broken the law but has not betrayed his country

Now there is an unexpected turn. Curious to see if that happens or if it's just his dads coping mechanism. Snowden would have to be bat shit crazy to willingly return back to the USA knowing what they are going to do to him.

DWB · 06-28-2013, 08:08 AM

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i think his best bet is china....

if his girlfriend can help him get his girlfriend involved she is chinese isn't she?

Snowden has a Chinese GF? Interesting.

_Richard_ · 06-28-2013, 08:09 AM

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Now there is an unexpected turn. Curious to see if that happens or if it's just his dads coping mechanism. Snowden would have to be bat shit crazy to willingly return back to the USA knowing what they are going to do to him.

no kidding, at least 2 years in solitary confinement etc etc

slapass · 06-28-2013, 08:12 AM

I see that Russia is now asking for similar access to Facebook, Google, etc as they have people they want to check on.

I had always assumed that the govt listened to every phone call, text, email, etc. Doesn't everyone sort of think that?

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 08:54 AM

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Now there is an unexpected turn. Curious to see if that happens or if it's just his dads coping mechanism. Snowden would have to be bat shit crazy to willingly return back to the USA knowing what they are going to do to him.

while a part of me is grateful he is raking the usa over the coals on an international platform for snooping, he really has nothing to fear by coming home and facing his accusers.

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Thomas Andrews Drake (born 1957) is a former senior executive of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), a decorated United States Air Force and United States Navy veteran, and a whistleblower. In 2010 the government alleged that Drake 'mishandled' documents, one of the few such Espionage Act cases in U.S. history. Drake's defenders claim that he was instead being persecuted for challenging the Trailblazer Project. He is the 2011 recipient of the Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling and co-recipient of the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence (SAAII) award.

On June 9, 2011, all 10 original charges against him were dropped. Drake rejected several deals because he refused to "plea bargain with the truth". He eventually pled to one misdemeanor count for exceeding authorized use of a computer; Jesselyn Radack of the Government Accountability Project, who helped represent him, called it an act of "civil disobedience."

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 08:58 AM

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no kidding, at least 2 years in solitary confinement etc etc

pretty sure drake did not spend 1 single day in prison.

DWB · 06-28-2013, 09:22 AM

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he really has nothing to fear by coming home and facing his accusers.

Bradley Manning would strongly disagree with you on that one.

_Richard_ · 06-28-2013, 09:25 AM

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Bradley Manning would strongly disagree with you on that one.

can't tell if it's 'i don't know' or 'i don't care'.

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 09:39 AM

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Bradley Manning would strongly disagree with you on that one.

bradley manning was military and was handled via the military. i think you are underestimating the difference here.

thomas drake's charges were reduced from espionage to misdeanors. you can't deny that. and his case exactly resembles this one

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can't tell if it's 'i don't know' or 'i don't care'.

i'm pretty sure it was the drugs _dictard_ or the alchohol, wow, the alcohol.

you just keep putting your foot in your mouth. but you are an idiot if you think i don't care or don't know after 7+ pagesof this thread.

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 09:42 AM

the other significant difference between drake and snowden is drake did not go to enemy states with his data under the guise of truth for americans. so i doubt he will be treated the same.

Rochard · 06-28-2013, 09:56 AM

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Bradley Manning would strongly disagree with you on that one.

Fuck Bradley Manning. He was a traitor through and through. He wasn't a whistleblower, wasn't trying to expose anything, he just handed over years of classified information to all of our enemies now and in the future.

I pray that fucking twit gets ass raped twice daily.

Rochard · 06-28-2013, 10:00 AM

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Now being reported that his dad thinks he may return to the US, that he has been manipulated by wikileaks, that he has broken the law but has not betrayed his country

Fuck that... His father is trying to arrange it so that he can "return to home to face trial, no gag order, and be free on bond" during the trial. Bullshit. He can remain in fucking purgatory in a Russian airport living on scraps and handouts until he's either killed by a poison umbrella or until he ends up in US custody in an "undisclosed location".

_Richard_ · 06-28-2013, 10:03 AM

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Fuck Bradley Manning. He was a traitor through and through. He wasn't a whistleblower, wasn't trying to expose anything, he just handed over years of classified information to all of our enemies now and in the future.

I pray that fucking twit gets ass raped twice daily.

wow.

he is a whistleblower, he tried to release the info to newspapers within the US and was refused, and thus started wikileaks and all the whistleblowing since

you need to seriously take a long look at yourself, and once that's finished, if ever, take a long look at this situation.

DWB · 06-28-2013, 10:12 AM

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Fuck Bradley Manning. He was a traitor through and through. He wasn't a whistleblower, wasn't trying to expose anything, he just handed over years of classified information to all of our enemies now and in the future.

I pray that fucking twit gets ass raped twice daily.

Right. Shoot the messenger. That always works the best. They do that in Cuba and North Korea too.

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 10:21 AM

again, we didn't shoot thomas drake. obviously, america can differentiate between the 2, because that's exactly what we did, that's why drake's charges were reduced. but let's focus on just one completely unrelated event. nevermind it's military court v public.

y'all just love to talk shit re: usa. just the facts aren't enough with the gfy mob.

just a punk · 06-28-2013, 10:46 AM

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while a part of me is grateful he is raking the usa over the coals on an international platform for snooping, he really has nothing to fear by coming home and facing his accusers.

And get a life sentence

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 10:55 AM

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And get a life sentence

well, if he had thunk this through prior, he prolly would have followed the footsteps of his nsa leaker predecessor and stayed in the country. hell, thomas drake is winning awards and is prolly smothered in pussy right now. snowden made it very difficult on himself, maybe on purpose, but he had a clearcut path on how to do this and walk away.

dyna mo · 06-28-2013, 11:03 AM

seems there is a misunderstanding here re: how america handles these sorts of things

The Espionage Act and whistleblowing

Drake is one of four individuals in the history of the United States who has been charged specifically with “willful retention” of “national defense” information under 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). This particular portion of the Espionage Act was created in 1950 during the Second Red Scare, as part of the McCarran Internal Security Act.

Anthony Russo and Daniel Ellsberg were the first to be prosecuted for the “retention” of what came to be known as the Pentagon Papers which Ellsberg gave to The New York Times, eventually resulting in another landmark Espionage Act case in 1971, New York Times Co. v. United States. The prosecution of Russo and Ellsberg was dismissed in 1972 because of government misconduct.

The second prosecution was of Samuel Loring Morison in 1985, a Navy analyst who sold satellite photographs to Jane's Defense Weekly; he was later pardoned by President Bill Clinton.

Rochard · 06-28-2013, 11:27 AM

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Right. Shoot the messenger. That always works the best. They do that in Cuba and North Korea too.

What message? War is bad?

He didn't have a message.

DWB · 06-28-2013, 11:45 AM

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What message? War is bad?

He didn't have a message.

Then I guess everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing.

_Richard_ · 06-28-2013, 11:49 AM

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What message? War is bad?

He didn't have a message.

here is something new for you to ignore today:

http://www.nationofchange.org/fbi-kn...ing-1372427453

[DELETED] planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles. (Note: protests continued throughout the weekend with approximately 6000 persons in NYC. ?Occupy Wall Street? protests have spread to about half of all states in the US, over a dozen European and Asian cities, including protests in Cleveland (10/6-8/11) at Willard Park which was initially attended by hundreds of protesters.)

and here is the FBI confirming this:

On 13 October 2011, writer sent via email an excerpt from the daily [DELETED] regarding FBI Houston?s [DELETED] to all IAs, SSRAs and SSA [DELETED] This [DELETED] identified the exploitation of the Occupy Movement by [LENGTHY DELETION] interested in developing a long-term plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire.

winter_ · 06-28-2013, 03:01 PM

a bit strange how he is in hong kong now moscow, possibly back to the united states. i mean, imagine the situation he was in in hong ko... i am alone, in a big city i don't know, there are police and god knows who else undercover on my case in a city they know much better than me, and i am out here unprotected with no disguises or anything else to defend myself it is just no wonder he got caught.

mind you if he is smart he would have had all of this arranged before he executed the leak. he would have his own hand over to the chinese or now, russians, already organised.

yeah he has a girlfriend somebody told me she is chinese i saw the pictures wow she is hot.

baddog · 06-28-2013, 03:44 PM

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a bit strange how he is in hong kong now moscow, possibly back to the united states.

No one has suggested he is in the US. In fact, I was watching a report today from a guy that was in the transit hotel at the airport, using the video on his cell phone. He said it was apparent the Russians were looking for an American and they want him out so they can "go back to bed."

Rochard · 06-28-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

here is something new for you to ignore today:

http://www.nationofchange.org/fbi-kn...ing-1372427453

[DELETED] planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles. (Note: protests continued throughout the weekend with approximately 6000 persons in NYC. ?Occupy Wall Street? protests have spread to about half of all states in the US, over a dozen European and Asian cities, including protests in Cleveland (10/6-8/11) at Willard Park which was initially attended by hundreds of protesters.)

and here is the FBI confirming this:

On 13 October 2011, writer sent via email an excerpt from the daily [DELETED] regarding FBI Houston?s [DELETED] to all IAs, SSRAs and SSA [DELETED] This [DELETED] identified the exploitation of the Occupy Movement by [LENGTHY DELETION] interested in developing a long-term plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire.

And... Did anyone get shot? Nope. Did anyone's rights get trampled on? Nope. Was a crime committied? Nope.

Don't be stupid here. Law enforcement should only act if they believe action is needed. Seems like in this case law enforcement did not believe the threat and was... surprise.... Correct in their judgement.

_Richard_ · 06-28-2013, 04:06 PM

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And... Did anyone get shot? Nope. Did anyone's rights get trampled on? Nope. Was a crime committied? Nope.

Don't be stupid here. Law enforcement should only act if they believe action is needed. Seems like in this case law enforcement did not believe the threat and was... surprise.... Correct in their judgement.

incredible.

theking · 06-28-2013, 05:42 PM

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incredible.

Yes...you are.

just a punk · 07-01-2013, 11:37 AM

E.Snouden asked for political asylum in Russia

dyna mo · 07-01-2013, 11:48 AM

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E.Snouden asked for political asylum in Russia

?If he likes to stay here there is one condition: he should cease his work aimed at damaging our American partners. No matter how strange it will sound from me," Putin told reporters

just a punk · 07-01-2013, 11:53 AM

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“If he likes to stay here there is one condition: he should cease his work aimed at damaging our American partners. No matter how strange it will sound from me," Putin told reporters

Nothing new too me in here. I always told that Putin works for so-called West. His money is there. Is businesses are there. At least his daughters live there. The one must be a crazy idiot to trust him

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Ecuador also stated it could take several weeks to months to grant him asylum.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,955	maybe dwb is right. snowden had a plan all along, create worldwide outrage by having this part of the story create an extended news cycle. that would be some very successful planning as it does seem several parts of this have been serendipitous for snowden, it's hard to imagine he could envision it would turn into a diplomatic nightmare with countries like ecuador snubbing their nose at us.

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winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	i think his best bet is china.... if his girlfriend can help him get his girlfriend involved she is chinese isn't she?

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winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	know of a guy apparently who married a ukranian woman so she could get some more permanent residency in the such and such country she was visiting, it was not another eastern european country though. if his girlfriend is chinese or his wife, then there must be clauses in their policy which allow a foreign partner in on conditions or probably not that liberal eh. i would call china a dictatorship more than communist state but the united states didn't have the balls to list them as a rogue state. i have seen his wife she is actually pretty sexy.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Now being reported that his dad thinks he may return to the US, that he has been manipulated by wikileaks, that he has broken the law but has not betrayed his country

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	I see that Russia is now asking for similar access to Facebook, Google, etc as they have people they want to check on. I had always assumed that the govt listened to every phone call, text, email, etc. Doesn't everyone sort of think that?

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,955	the other significant difference between drake and snowden is drake did not go to enemy states with his data under the guise of truth for americans. so i doubt he will be treated the same.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,955	again, we didn't shoot thomas drake. obviously, america can differentiate between the 2, because that's exactly what we did, that's why drake's charges were reduced. but let's focus on just one completely unrelated event. nevermind it's military court v public. y'all just love to talk shit re: usa. just the facts aren't enough with the gfy mob.

06-28-2013, 11:03 AM	#439
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,955	seems there is a misunderstanding here re: how america handles these sorts of things The Espionage Act and whistleblowing Drake is one of four individuals in the history of the United States who has been charged specifically with “willful retention” of “national defense” information under 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). This particular portion of the Espionage Act was created in 1950 during the Second Red Scare, as part of the McCarran Internal Security Act. Anthony Russo and Daniel Ellsberg were the first to be prosecuted for the “retention” of what came to be known as the Pentagon Papers which Ellsberg gave to The New York Times, eventually resulting in another landmark Espionage Act case in 1971, New York Times Co. v. United States. The prosecution of Russo and Ellsberg was dismissed in 1972 because of government misconduct. The second prosecution was of Samuel Loring Morison in 1985, a Navy analyst who sold satellite photographs to Jane's Defense Weekly; he was later pardoned by President Bill Clinton.

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winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	a bit strange how he is in hong kong now moscow, possibly back to the united states. i mean, imagine the situation he was in in hong ko... i am alone, in a big city i don't know, there are police and god knows who else undercover on my case in a city they know much better than me, and i am out here unprotected with no disguises or anything else to defend myself it is just no wonder he got caught. mind you if he is smart he would have had all of this arranged before he executed the leak. he would have his own hand over to the chinese or now, russians, already organised. yeah he has a girlfriend somebody told me she is chinese i saw the pictures wow she is hot.