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...What ever the defense attorneys are being paid they should split it with the prosecution for making the defense case for them.

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Neighborhood hero will walk?

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(CBS) Investigators closely questioned murder suspect George Zimmerman about whether he followed Trayvon Martin and whether he was in fear for his life in a videotaped recording of a Feb. 29, 2012 police interview played in court Monday.

"You basically jumped out of the car to see where he was going. That's not fear," said detective Chris Serino in the videotape.

Serino, the lead detective in the investigation, took the stand Monday afternoon. The jury watched the videotaped interview as Serino testified. They also watched a video of Zimmerman's re-enactment of the fatal altercation taped by police in his Sanford, Fla. gated community the day after the shooting.

Zimmerman is standing trial in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a Florida teen who was walking to his father's fiancee's home in the community. Zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense.

In the Feb. 29 interview tape, Serino and Det. Doris Singleton - who took the stand just before Serino - questioned Zimmerman about his assertion that he was afraid of Martin and didn't want to confront him.

"Did you ask what this person was doing out there?" Serino asks Zimmerman on the tape.

"No sir. I didn't want to confront him and it wasn't my job."

On the video, the detectives also question him about the profanity-laced language he used on a non-emergency call to describe suspicious people in his neighborhood --- "f---ing punks" and "these ---holes."

Zimmerman said he was referring to people that "victimize the neighborhood."

On the tape, detectives played portions of the call.

"You want to catch him. You want to catch the bad guy," Serino said. "F---ing punk can't get away. Did you pursue this kid? Did you want to catch him?"

Zimmerman said no.

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he was so scared he jumped out to chase the kid. most people in fear would leave.

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SuckOnThis

Lots of inconsistencies with the Pillsbury Dough Boys story.

mineistaken

We need more people like Zimmerman, who are not afraid to stand up against criminals and thugs that are roaming some neighborhoods.

kane

I read the same article and thought the same thing. But I didn't see the full testimony so there could be more to it.

brassmonkey

vigilante justice? zimmerman is not with the police dept. you know that right? oh and i suspected right he did not ask him if he lived there just followed him like some kind of serial killer.

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Grapesoda

you have a heavy agenda on the outcome of the trial, so I doubt you'll ever really know what happened because your mind is made up. you aren't looking for the facts or truth, you're looking for anything that will validate your opinion. hopefully if you ever do something completely stupid, and go to trial you won't have a jury of your peers or you're really completely fucked for sure...here's a little bullshit saying for you to make jokes about and diss:

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

William James

brassmonkey

yep let's see how it plays out. that kasie anthony lied and she went free. sometimes there is justice sometimes there is none. go down to jasper, texas and ask if O.J. got away with murder.

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mineistaken

Heroes that stand up against useless to society criminals. Of course shooting them is not suggested, but it was not like he was intending to shoot this thug, it just happened.

Captain Kawaii

- He's nothing more than an Archie Bunker in a basketball tank.

brassmonkey

i said lets wait and see how it plays out. "shooting someone to death is just doing something stupid?" wow

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Jel

What, like uhm... people with a history of violence? Oh wait, that was the hero

brassmonkey

him having a violent past does not matter

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mineistaken

Hero not in terms of good/model citizen, hero in terms that he stood up against neighborhood's scum/criminal/thug/gangster

Jel

I agree, just made me laugh that 1 person with a bad history is scum, the other person with bad history is a hero

Jel

'stood up to'??? wtf are you smoking...

violent person with gun follows unarmed person = standing up to?

Rochard

No matter what there will be inconsistencies with his story or any story. This was a very short frame of time, and a lot happened. He had no reason to think he might have to verbally explain his steps twenty times over.

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SuckOnThis

Are you a remote viewer from the psychic friends network?

SuckOnThis

OJ did get away with murder.

brassmonkey

oh ok

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mineistaken

Fact that zimmerman was neighborhood watch and that he wanted to joing police academy says that he was not an actual criminal.
Ps: police officers also follows unarmend criminals from time to time you know, there is nothing wrong in trying to catch a thug/gangster.
Standing up to is not only when you are 100% on defence. Tryng to catch criminal can also be part of standing up to.

SuckOnThis

baddog

Do yourself a favor and LISTEN to testimony instead of READING someone else's interpretation. You missed a very important part . . . like when the cop said he believed Zimmerman. He tried to bust him in a lie and could not.


Yeah, and lots of cops testifying today that if his recollection of the facts had been exactly the same every time he was asked he would not believe him at all.


At one point the legal analyst said to the co-host: "You see where Zimmerman is sitting right now? That is as close as he is going to get to the witness stand." The prosecution brought so much stuff into evidence that the defense could never get away with because it would be "self-serving" but the prosecution entered the interviews, so not Zimmerman never needs to testify. He is already on tape.

anexsia

Have you guys even been watching the trial and listening to the FULL testimony? Like baddog just said...the detective was asked if he believed Zimmerman and he said "YES."

brassmonkey

that's the truth

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vdbucks

Its' clear that they don't care. What they would rather do is clip out and twist excerpts in order to make them sound in line with their own prejudices and fantasies; without ever realizing how utterly stupid they look for doing so by anyone who has read/watched the entire segment...

SuckOnThis

And that's all you got out of watching the FULL trial?

baddog

Is honesty something you are incapable of? Just wondering.

baddog

I have said it once and I am sure I will say it again. The prosecution only went after Zimmerman because of public pressure, they do not feel they have a case. They are using this opportunity to show the public why they chose to not file.

brassmonkey

joking around means im dishonest? i don't know why your so angry im out

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Rochard

That might very well be the case. One poll I saw in the news today said that 65% of Americans believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

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Yes, and I'm sure the media twisting and contorting the entire thing into some racism filled hate crime for the past year and a half have nothing to do with the 'public opinion'...

That, in my eyes, will be the key factor in deciding whether or not he is found guilty. Considering the way the media demonized GZ from the very start, most people have already made up their minds - quite like you have - without knowing (or caring about) any of the facts, witness statements and evidence...

baddog

Which is precisely why Zimmerman's attorney was spot on with his knock-knock joke; and I have to say, having sat on juries, the court of public opinion is made up of a lot of idiots.

I remember one case I was on that was essentially some lifeguard trying to exert his authority on a kid. It was clear to me that no crime had been committed, based solely on the lifeguard's testimony. After the prosecution rested the judge sent us back to chambers. When we returned they told us that the kid had been found not guilty because there was insufficient evidence presented to show there was a crime.

I was blown away when we rode down the elevator and every one of the other 11 expressed shock that it was dismissed as they were ready to go with guilty based on what they had heard so far.

It was at that point that I knew I would never have a jury trial if I was innocent; if I am guilty, might as well give it a shot.

Rochard

Great day for Zimmerman...

(LA TIMES)

This Zimmerman directly after the shooting, after had had been hit "25 to 30 times".



Something doesn't add up here...

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Their is no way any of his story adds up.

Axeman

Any yet the lead cop on the stand today, said he believed Zimmerman.

Today was an amazing day for the defense. The cops said they believed Zimmerman. The cops said Zimmerman's story matched outside witnesses account and facts, unknown to Zimmerman at the time. And then the DA plays the videos of all Zimmerman's statements and showing the police what happened at the scene.

So the cops say they believe him. And the DA puts on the video statements, which the defense could never do on their own, which basically let Zimmerman testify without a cross-examination.

Brilliant day for the defense.

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Zimmerman sees a "suspicious" African American is his neighborhood, and calls the police department.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses".

So what actual criminal act(s) did Zimmerman observe?

According to a police report, "there is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter".

So you have a guy with a gun following/stalking an unarmed person for no reason other than his own biases and suspicions.

During the conversation, the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was (still) following Martin. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."

After Zimmerman ended this call with the police department dispatcher, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.

I don't condone Martin giving Zimmerman a beat down, although I would say that if anyone was doing anything to provoke a fight, it was Zimmerman, by making it apparent to Martin that he was being followed by someone in a threatening manner.

Odd as it might sound to some, I can actually see Martin's reaction as defending himself from a perceived aggressor, and that he was possibly "standing his ground", which is a bit ironic, considering that is Zimmerman's defense.

In the end, Zimmerman decided to pull out his gun and fire it point blank at Martin, killing him. Zimmerman unnecessarily put himself into that situation, and his actions unfortunately led to the murder of another man.

There were no life threatening injuries to Zimmerman.

I wonder what the debate would have sounded or how the trial would have gone had Martin killed Zimmerman instead of bloodying him up a little?

Martin: "This guy was following me around, and trying to make it obvious that he was stalking me and trying to intimidate me. I tried to lose him, but still he came after me. Finally, fearing for my life, I took the offensive and engaged Zimmerman in a fist fight."

Of course, as with most fist fights, George Zimmerman probably would have lived to testify against Martin for assault. Just like the current case, it probably could have gone either way.

The one known undisputed fact is that George Zimmerman followed an unarmed man, and then killed that unarmed man with a gun, who had not committed any crime.

Be interesting to see how the jury decides, and how the public reacts.



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baddog

What adds up is that you are reading someone's slant on it rather than listening yourself. Under cross-examination both cops said it is normal for there to be variations in recollections because "we are not robots" and that he would be pretty suspicious of someone that had their story down that concise. The cops words, not mine. He also said he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth.

BTW, you can not see the back of his head in that photo, can you?

Oh yeah, at one point when they were interviewing GZ they told him that the building across the street had just installed some surveillance cams that were in color, hi-def with night vision, in hopes it would make him spill his guts if he thought it was on video. GZ's response was something like, "Thank God." He hoped the cameras were on. Again, the cops, all the cops, believed him.

baddog

#1, GZ is not using the Stand Your Ground defense so your graphic makes zero sense.
#2, It was raining out. Martin was not walking on the sidewalk, but rather up on the lawns. He did not look like he was trying to rush home to get out of the rain, he did not look like some athlete that trains rain or shine. The house he was checking out had been burglarized in the past.

brassmonkey

that's what i've been saying! no way he just walks after killing a man he chased. these were burglaries not robberies no violence in the crime things get replaced. good statement ADG just let his ass hit prison

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The events as outlined by you are not correct according to the evidence presented by the prosecution.

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baddog

Facts just get in the way; it doesn't matter who presents them.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I stand corrected on #1, Zimmerman ultimately opted to not use Stand Your Ground, he is simply claiming that he killed a teenager in self-defense.

Now that I read up quickly on Stand Your Ground, I doubt that Zimmerman could have won with that anyway, since he was not near his own domicile, and he was the aggressor up until the fist fight started.

Your point #2 is simply what Zimmerman said he observed, based upon his own biases, and is not as much fact as speculation.

Even in the worst case scenario that Zimmerman imagined, that Martin was "casing the joint", that in and of itself is still not a crime, and a cell phone photo of the suspect would have been all the action that was required by Zimmerman to document the event.

The fact remains, that Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to follow Martin, but he still did (probably because he felt somewhat secure with a loaded gun in his pocket).

Tell me, what would you do if your teenage son/daughter was apparently being stalked by an adult (not a cop), and your teenager tried to defend himself from what they thought was an imminent threat, but then the person pulled out a gun and shot them?

How would that sit with you if it was your child?



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theking

You clearly have not been watching the trial and are just trolling.

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baddog

That's the thing, my child isn't the type to go strolling around on dark, rainy nights going between the homes of strangers, so this will never be an issue.

The problem is that you are and you are uninformed; that is painfully obvious. I know you are an intelligent person, that is why I know you are not listening to the trial. Stop reading someone's version of how they saw it, put on the stream on a tab in the background and listen. That is all it takes . . . to listen.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Says the resident troll. Remind us what you do in the industry besides claim to not be Pathfinder?

Oh, and you didn't answer my hypothetical question with your troll response.

Let's try again:





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brassmonkey

so if it's said in court it's a fact? im not going to argue with you. going back and forth here does nothing. anyway you see it zimmerman is fucked. prison or the streets

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baddog

The thing is Lawrence; the scenario you described is not that described by the witnesses.


You know something no one else knows? Are you the surprise witness that is going to change everything around?