Our legal system is so fucked up!

[L-Pink]

Someone is found innocent of a major crime. Should be the end of it right?

No, now you have to go thru a civil trial and then a federal civil rights violation trial.

Who the hell can afford the mental, and financial stress of THREE possible trials for the same crime?


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[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Someone is found innocent of a major crime. Should be the end of it right?

No, now you have to go thru a civil trial and then a federal civil rights violation trial.

Who the hell can afford the mental, and financial stress of THREE possible trials for the same crime?


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well at least they can ruin him in a civil case like oj was

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

well at least they can ruin him in a civil case like oj was

Zero chance after the NOT GUILTY verdict.

[theking]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Someone is found innocent of a major crime. Should be the end of it right?

No, now you have to go thru a civil trial and then a federal civil rights violation trial.

Who the hell can afford the mental, and financial stress of THREE possible trials for the same crime?


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On the other hand it appears that he will make some bucks as his attorneys are already going after the State Attorney...and it looks as if they are going to go after the City for in affect tampering with witnesses to appease blacks...and the news network that tampered with the tape of his 911 call to make it appear that he was a racist and was racially profiling. He may also have a book and even a movie deal.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by Getsu

Zero chance after the NOT GUILTY verdict.

um.. OJ was found not guilty of the criminal case but guilty of the civil case

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by theking

On the other hand it appears that he will make some bucks as his attorneys are already going after the State Attorney...and it looks as if they are going to go after the City for in affect tampering with witnesses to appease blacks...and the news network that tampered with the tape of his 911 call to make it appear that he was a racist and was racially profiling. He may also have a book and even a movie deal.

I hadn't heard any of this.

[theking]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I hadn't heard any of this.

I just heard part of it on the news just now and part of it from his attorneys earlier tonight. His attorneys earlier said they are going after the State/State Attorney and the City of Sanford.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SBJ

um.. OJ was found not guilty of the criminal case but guilty of the civil case

maybe he missed that

[mozadek]

Were you bitching when OJ was tried in civil court?

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by SBJ

um.. OJ was found not guilty of the criminal case but guilty of the civil case

Big difference between the California and Florida law.

The FBI already cleared Zimmerman of anything racist, or any civil rights violations, and under Florida law, if his case is covered by "Stand Your Ground", he can't be sued in any civil suits.

[Steve_AmateurVideoCash]

He is INNOCENT, their case against him was BS from the start!

There should have NEVER been a case to start!

Watch the trial videos .. its clear as fucking day!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by mozadek

Were you bitching when OJ was tried in civil court?

Yes. I was stunned you could go from being declared innocent in a huge full blown trial only to lose everything you own in a follow up much less formal trial.

[epitome]

System has always been like that. The bar to win a civil suit is set much lower than that of a criminal case. Think of criminal as being yes or no and civil being based on percentages.

It can't be fair in some instances (OJ) and unfair in others (Zimmerman).

I love how some people will say OJ was guilty despite being found not guilty in criminal court, but will then say Casey Anthony was not guilty because the court said so.

Fact of the matter is a jurists vote is just an opinion and most people are just a summons away from being able to express theirs and it be official.

Supreme Court is a great example of this. They all hear the same case and can form very different opinions, oftentimes being based on whether they're liberal, conservative or in between.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Getsu

Big difference between the California and Florida law.

The FBI already cleared Zimmerman of anything racist, or any civil rights violations, and under Florida law, if his case is covered by "Stand Your Ground", he can't be sued in any civil suits.

Yes, since he was acquitted, Zimmerman can request the civil suit immunity afforded under the stand your ground laws in Florida. His lawyer said they will ask and receive it soon.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Yes, since he was acquitted, Zimmerman can request the civil suit immunity afforded under the stand your ground laws in Florida. His lawyer said they will ask and receive it soon.

The problem with this scenario is that his case was not a 'stand your ground' case but a SELF-DEFENSE case. Totally different legal theory.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Yes, since he was acquitted, Zimmerman can request the civil suit immunity afforded under the stand your ground laws in Florida. His lawyer said they will ask and receive it soon.

he did not use it. so no immunity

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

The problem with this scenario is that his case was not a 'stand your ground' case but a SELF-DEFENSE case. Totally different legal theory.

His lawyer claims otherwise.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

he did not use it. so no immunity

You might want to let his lawyer know so they don't waste their time and money, as they claim you're incorrect.

[Axeman]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...se?lite‎

The defense chose not to ask for immunity under Florida?s Stand Your Ground law in a pre-trial hearing. However if Zimmerman is acquitted, the defense could ask the judge to decide whether he deserves the immunity which would protect him from a civil lawsuit.ha

[kane]

To me, and I am obviously no lawyer, it seems like it will be hard for him to use the Stand Your Ground law to avoid being sued civilly. Trayvon Martin was there with his dad visiting his dad's girlfriend. He had a legal right to be where he was. You could make the argument that Martin had the right to stand his ground when Zimmerman started following him.

If he is unable to use the Stand Your Ground defense and goes to trail he may be in big trouble. In a wrongful death case you don't have to prove the case beyond any reasonable doubt you just have to show that a preponderance of the evidence shows that this person's actions led to the death of the victim. That being the case Martin's family will argue that Zimmerman followed Martin and that his following led to the confrontation that led to Martin's death.

I can see how a jury can find against Zimmerman in that instance.

The homeowner's association felt their odds in court were bad enough that they chose to settle.

[crazies]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You might want to let his lawyer know so they don't waste their time and money, as they claim you're incorrect.

Classic

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You might want to let his lawyer know so they don't waste their time and money, as they claim you're incorrect.

you call them

[eroticfem]

Alcohol is legal right? but being drunk on the sidewalk is an offence? I seen some videos on web where people get arrested for being drunk on the street, while they are not doing anyone any harm they are just trying to go home. If this is the case then bar's and club's should been the one responsible for these people getting home.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

The problem with this scenario is that his case was not a 'stand your ground' case but a SELF-DEFENSE case. Totally different legal theory.

Now that he's been found not guilty on the grounds of self defense, they're going to have the hearing putting the case up against the Stand Your ground law (and he'll probably get it). If the hearing concludes that he is covered, then no more criminal or civil rights charges can be brought against him, from anyone.

[crockett]

The letter of the law was upheld,good or bad. Everyone should of looked at the facts to know he would be found not guilty.

Yet much like OJ he will likely be found guilty in a civil case in which he should be.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Getsu

Zero chance after the NOT GUILTY verdict.

over here in the UK if you are found Not Guilty they can reopen the case at any time and take you back to court again even if it was like 50 years ago

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by theking

On the other hand it appears that he will make some bucks as his attorneys are already going after the State Attorney...and it looks as if they are going to go after the City for in affect tampering with witnesses to appease blacks...and the news network that tampered with the tape of his 911 call to make it appear that he was a racist and was racially profiling. He may also have a book and even a movie deal.

man I would really love to see the media go down on this

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

well at least they can ruin him in a civil case like oj was

ever occur to you that Travon was a gangbanger piece of shit and Zimmerman is innocent?

[Lace]

Originally Posted by halfpint

over here in the UK if you are found Not Guilty they can reopen the case at any time and take you back to court again even if it was like 50 years ago

Double jeopardy.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Someone is found innocent of a major crime. Should be the end of it right?

No, now you have to go thru a civil trial and then a federal civil rights violation trial.

Who the hell can afford the mental, and financial stress of THREE possible trials for the same crime?


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If it's ever found that he lied to police and gave false statements I hope they can still charge him for that. The trial which just finished was only about 2nd degree murder and manslaughter charges. It didn't necessarily mandate that he was innocent of all things.

[Jel]

They should have prosecuted him for manslaughter from the get go, and gone with that relevant evidence. They instead tried to be too clever, hoped that the 'charge cascade' worked (lol I like that phrase, I should copyright it or something then take everyones domains blah blah), and through their own incompetence saw the letter of the law come back to bite them in the ass, and rightfully so.

[signupdamnit]

You have to remember that a child lost his life. Which is the greater inconvenience, to have to go through a few extra trials or to be dead at 17? It's not like Zimmerman is being accused of shoplifting. I doubt there will be a civil rights trial (The DoJ didn't think racism was involved). There might be a civil trial but that's the right of Trayvon's parents.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by kane

To me, and I am obviously no lawyer, it seems like it will be hard for him to use the Stand Your Ground law to avoid being sued civilly. Trayvon Martin was there with his dad visiting his dad's girlfriend. He had a legal right to be where he was. You could make the argument that Martin had the right to stand his ground when Zimmerman started following him.

If he is unable to use the Stand Your Ground defense and goes to trail he may be in big trouble. In a wrongful death case you don't have to prove the case beyond any reasonable doubt you just have to show that a preponderance of the evidence shows that this person's actions led to the death of the victim. That being the case Martin's family will argue that Zimmerman followed Martin and that his following led to the confrontation that led to Martin's death.

I can see how a jury can find against Zimmerman in that instance.

The homeowner's association felt their odds in court were bad enough that they chose to settle.

I'm thinking the same thing. Also people forget that Trayvon was legally a minor. As an adult that makes it a bit harder for you. If I got in a fight with a 17 year old I would automatically (if only informally) be seen as the one doing wrong first unless I could reasonably show that, no, the 17 year old was the aggressor and continued to push the matter while I tried to leave.

I can't reasonably just walk up to teenagers on the street, follow them around, and demand of them "What are you doing here?!" with my hand on my gun every time I feel they are suspicious. Well I guess I legally COULD here in the Wild Wild West of Florida but eventually it's going to get me in some serious trouble.

[bronco67]

I don't know how someone can shoot and kill someone who was on his way home from a convenience store, and is allowed to be free.

There are people in jail for much, much less than that. That's why it's a a fucked up system.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You have to remember that a child lost his life.

He was a violent negro thug. There are plenty of them. Let's not pretend this was some kind of tragedy.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

He was a violent negro thug. There are plenty of them. Let's not pretend this was some kind of tragedy.

While Zimmerman isn't racist unfortunately many of his supporters seem to be. He was 17 years old. You have no idea what he would have been like in ten years. When I was 17 I got suspended from school far more times than Trayvon. I also smoked pot every now and then. If Myspace were around then there would likely be some photos of me flipping people off as well. But I'm middle aged now and I don't have a criminal record and I've never even been arrested or charged with a crime in my life. For all you know he could have grown up to be a police officer or judge.

[Barry-xlovecam]

When there is no eye-witness and only testimonial supposition or circumstantial evidence a criminal defendant usually walks -- "proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" is the legal requirement in the USA.

A lot of guilty people get a walk that way unfortunately ...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I hadn't heard any of this.

yes, the 911 operator asked zimmerman the race of the 'suspect' zimmermen replied 'black'... however on the news report the question by the 911 operator was edited out sounding like zimmerman was profiling black people... this is the stuff the dumbasses at GFY use to 'convict zimmerman'

[24/7 Blogging Crew]

Someone let me know when L-Pink get's back to Fl.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

While Zimmerman isn't racist unfortunately many of his supporters seem to be. He was 17 years old. You have no idea what he would have been like in ten years. When I was 17 I got suspended from school far more times than Trayvon. I also smoked pot every now and then. If Myspace were around then there would likely be some photos of me flipping people off as well. But I'm middle aged now and I don't have a criminal record and I've never even been arrested or charged with a crime in my life. For all you know he could have grown up to be a police officer or judge.

I agree and the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of black culture, which just like Palestinian culture is destroying their youth

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't know how someone can shoot and kill someone who was on his way home from a convenience store, and is allowed to be free.

There are people in jail for much, much less than that. That's why it's a a fucked up system.

people get shot all the time going to and from places... why do think this is a unique siltation?

how about this: what if the kid had went out to drop off money to the dealer for selling an oz of heroin, was on the way back home, stopped at the store.... you have no idea if that's what happened or not and you never will with the media/black grievance community manipulating the dialog0

this is just as realistic as any other scenario

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If it's ever found that he lied to police and gave false statements I hope they can still charge him for that. The trial which just finished was only about 2nd degree murder and manslaughter charges. It didn't necessarily mandate that he was innocent of all things.

hopefully you'll never be on the wrong side of a media racial case and get convicted on facebook and spend the rest of your life in prison for something you didn't do

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

hopefully you'll never be on the wrong side of a media racial case and get convicted on facebook and spend the rest of your life in prison for something you didn't do

I don't know what that has to do with wanting someone to be punished for making false statements if they indeed did that. That's what bothers me about GZ the most is the fact that I believe he lied about parts of his story in order to protect himself. To me that makes him a shitty person. To be fair though I don't know that he lied. It just seems the most probable thing that he did and it's my feeling.

If he were 100% honest and took responsibility without making anything up I would have supported him and respected him much more than I do now. I think it's shitty to make up things about the KID you shot in order to save your own ass. It's cowardice.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Getsu

Zero chance after the NOT GUILTY verdict.

What not guilty verdict? He was acquitted.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by 24/7 Blogging Crew

Someone let me know when L-Pink get's back to Fl.

Why? ??.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

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what?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why? ??.

so he can bring you a cup of coffee.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

so he can bring you a cup of coffee.

Maybe he wants to shoot me like you said you do.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Maybe he wants to shoot me like you said you do.

dude id never shoot at you over voicing your opinion. you talk like im some kind of savage. that is typical stuff from your side. that's why the line will always be thick and people will die because of skin color.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

dude id never shoot at you over voicing your opinion. you talk like im some kind of savage. that is typical stuff from your side. that's why the line will always be thick and people will die because of skin color.

Wow, nice flip there.